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TIME Names Sauron Top Evil Sorcerer

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spymaster@theonering.net

Jul 17 2011, 5:59am

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With the last film in the Harry Potter series out, audiences around the world will line up to see how Harry finally reckons with the evil dark mage Voldemort. TIME looks at other famous nefarious wizards and The Lord of the Rings Sauron tops the list! Thanks to Ringer Corvalis84 for sending us the link. [Read the List]


Hanzkaz
Rohan

Jul 17 2011, 1:27pm

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What about his boss? [In reply to] Can't Post

Has everyone forgotten about Morgoth?


(This post was edited by Hanzkaz on Jul 17 2011, 1:28pm)


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jul 17 2011, 1:31pm

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Well, I think Sauron's malice and power even surpassed Morgoth at some point. [In reply to] Can't Post

I think if Morgoth were around at the time to see Sauron surpass him, he would have said things like, "alright, now that's just mean, dude...", or "Damn, why didn't I think of that?". Laugh

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Silverlode
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Jul 17 2011, 8:10pm

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Morgoth hasn't entered pop culture. [In reply to] Can't Post

If the Silmarillion ever goes mainstream, then Morgoth will get his due. In the meantime, Sauron is the famous one.

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Jonathan the Elf
Rivendell


Jul 18 2011, 3:59am

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Morgoth was the original and I think he should get his credit. But of the argument between Morgoth or Sauron being the most powerful. Remember this Sauron’s power is in his cunning so yes he’s smarter and craftier. But Morgoth’s power was in the great forces he commanded there’s only one belrog in Sauron’s time that I can think of but looking back at Morgoths time I see and hear of many many belrogs and other such creatures of terror and not to mention those thousands and thousand of tasty orcsis. I think Morgoths the more powerful but that isn’t to say he couldn’t be tricked.

Jonathan the Elf (fan)

“How shall a man judge what to do in such times? Yea ask. As he ever has judged, good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another thing among . It is a man’s part to discern them, as much as in the Golden woods an in his own house” said Aragorn


Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth
Lorien


Jul 18 2011, 1:37pm

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Ooh! Sauron takes down Voldemort! [In reply to] Can't Post

Of course we all knew that!Wink

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Hanzkaz
Rohan

Jul 18 2011, 5:46pm

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The good guys were more powerful in Morgoth's time. [In reply to] Can't Post


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Well, I think Sauron's malice and power even surpassed Morgoth at some point.


I don't think Sauron would ever dream of a direct confrontation with Morgoth. Sauron was just one of the many corrupted Maia Morgoth commanded. (I think the Balrog at Moria was more a potential rival than a minion of the second Dark Lord.)

One of the reasons why Sauron seemed so powerful by the time of 'The Lord of the Rings' was because the good guys were militarily less powerful than their ancestors, which admittedly Sauron was in some ways responsible for.


To compare the two Dark Lords:

Morgoth was defeated by the armies of the Valar.

Sauron was defeated by a Hobbit.


At one time, Sauron was even beaten by a dog. Of course, Morgoth did almost get eaten by a spider.


Dalgalad
The Shire


Jul 23 2011, 9:58am

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Well Voldemort did copy Sauron's ideas.. [In reply to] Can't Post

By putting a large part of his power in inanimate objects (I forget the name of them now...horcruxes or something like that).

At least he learnt not to put all his eggs in one basket and spread himself around a bit (so he didn't have a repeat of the Mount Doom debacle).

Despite this, the ploy failed once again. Perhaps future Dark Lords should upload their powers to the internet to prevent anyone from permanently taking them down.


terrymerry
Rivendell


Jul 23 2011, 9:11pm

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Sauron's was only a puppet... [In reply to] Can't Post

Sauron's was only a puppet to Morgoth hand ....ha! Wink


Turin Turambar
The Shire

Jul 25 2011, 11:14pm

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As menacing as the movie portrays Sauron, he was merely the Leiutenant of Morgoth. Also Sauron was of the Maiar, the servants of the Valar, while Morgoth was one of the Valar themselves.


Turin Turambar
The Shire

Jul 25 2011, 11:20pm

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Lets not forget that Morgoth is one of the Valar. [In reply to] Can't Post

Morgoth is a god which gives him much more powerful magic and what not. Some could argue that Sauron one of the Maiar, but even then, the Maiar were but servants of the Valar.


Jonathan the Elf
Rivendell


Jul 26 2011, 8:39pm

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 Morgoth is far more powerful.

Jonathan the Elf (fan)

“How shall a man judge what to do in such times? Yea ask. As he ever has judged, good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another thing among . It is a man’s part to discern them, as much as in the Golden woods an in his own house” said Aragorn

 
 

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