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Patty
Immortal


Jul 16 2011, 3:29am

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I don't think I've ever "feared" it... [In reply to] Can't Post

my history with the RR goes back to before our wonderful new boards--back into the mists of time when we were posting our discussions on the main board--picture it!Laugh

But I did get to where I didn't like the "scholarly" nature of how it got to be, and what I've always said about TORn, be it the RR or any discussions that turn nasty--and sometimes they do--is that I come on here for fun, and when it stops being that or becomes work then I leave whatever the discussion is. Although I believe I can make my thoughts reasonably well understood (except during the many times when I am sleep deprived) I don't like working at it--backing up my opinions with details, for example. Part of that is because my concentration and memory is not what I'd like it to be. So, yeah, I don't go into deep levels of discussion, and often don't read long posts for that very reason. I'm very happy though, that we accommodate all levels of enthusiasm here. I love your cutlery analogy, weaver. Heart

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Buchanicus
Lorien


Jul 16 2011, 3:33am

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Hi-res? [In reply to] Can't Post

Is there a Hi-res version of this picture yet? And...a Hi-res pic of Bombur, Bofur, and Bifur?

TORn member formally known as ryan1976.


Patty
Immortal


Jul 16 2011, 3:45am

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You took the words right out of my mouth weaver... [In reply to] Can't Post

now, put those back!Sly

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weaver
Half-elven

Jul 16 2011, 3:48am

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I hear you... [In reply to] Can't Post

..that's why I only lead one chapter discussion at a time. It is a lot of work to do a proper job of it there!

But I did want to take the opportunity, as a non-RR regular, to plug that board, as part of my response to you. It can be a great experience, but I do think people shy away from it! (Thanks for letting me shanghai your reply to do that..I figured you would not mind too much! Smile.)

The LOTR movie board has always been a lot more enjoyable to me --I guess it suits my personality and my "inclusive" kind of brain better...while I can analyze a glass of water, it's more from the perspective of how each part contributes to the whole, rather than looking at things in a very exacting kind of way.

Weaver




ThunderKing
The Shire


Jul 16 2011, 4:00am

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Dwalin [In reply to] Can't Post

I think he looks awesome , but for some reason he is reminding me of Harry Shearer in a Mighty Wind... LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JhLuVu-Cho&feature=related


(This post was edited by ThunderKing on Jul 16 2011, 4:01am)


taekotemple
Grey Havens


Jul 16 2011, 4:05am

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Ha! That's a great observation! [In reply to] Can't Post

Hmm... singing dwarves...


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Jul 16 2011, 4:11am

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Kangi, you've got it. No blue beard. Rather dissapointing in light of all the other oddities [In reply to] Can't Post

I suspected that Jackson might veer away from Dwalin having a blue beard as described in the book. I had hoped he might go for that grey tinted blue so commonly seen in various old ladies. When I saw the photos of some of the other dwarves though, and how outlandish some of them were, I thought that perhaps a little blue tinting to Dwalin's beard was pretty much assured. Alas, not so, but in the face of some of those bat guano crazy designs for Nori, Bifur and Bofur, I am slightly puzzled. I have to say, sometimes Peter's departures from the text end up feeling like more of an unpleasant salt rub, because he goes and adds other things to the films that seem to fly directly in the face of the logic for the departures.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


taekotemple
Grey Havens


Jul 16 2011, 4:25am

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For some reason, I keep imagining Dwalin with a huge turkey leg in that scene. [In reply to] Can't Post

But then, were there turkeys in Middle-earth? Wink


taekotemple
Grey Havens


Jul 16 2011, 4:29am

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I'm with you on that one. [In reply to] Can't Post

But arguing can be a given anywhere you have a wide range of personalities and opinions. Hopefully, it sticks to the good kind of arguing where information is shared and new things are learned. Smile


taekotemple
Grey Havens


Jul 16 2011, 4:56am

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The 13 Dwarves and the Fountain of Youth! [In reply to] Can't Post

WinkLaugh


Garfeimao
Rohan


Jul 16 2011, 5:17am

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Won't the weapons get confiscated by the Elves???? [In reply to] Can't Post

If we assume these are the weapons they start the journey with, then might they be confiscated by the Elves during their internment? Or even before that, when they are chased up the trees and then carried away by the Eagles, how does one get a war hammer and spears up a tree? I don't see those weapons fitting into a wine barrel.

But then, if we assume these weapons come later in the game, such as from Lake Town, then one must ask if these looks are after all their adventures so far.

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Garfeimao
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taekotemple
Grey Havens


Jul 16 2011, 6:18am

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Very cool! [In reply to] Can't Post

I want this when it's done! Great job!


bookgirl13
Lorien


Jul 16 2011, 7:07am

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Their aunt is Ayesha from Rider Haggard's She [In reply to] Can't Post

Hey for the pillar of fire which grants immortality.


Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Jul 16 2011, 7:20am

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Yeah, it evolved... [In reply to] Can't Post

but I didn't evolve with it. Best leave it at that, though I think I would describe the RR action as delicate fencing with the occasional fancy footwork, and save the cutlery for the Hobbit board. ;)

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(This post was edited by Eowyn of Penns Woods on Jul 16 2011, 7:21am)


dormouse
Half-elven

Jul 16 2011, 8:11am

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My list (not very pure, but I do my best...) [In reply to] Can't Post

Based just on the photos (I might change my mind completely once we see more of them, but

1. Gloin
2. Oin
3. Fili
4. Dori
5. Ori
6. Kili
7. Balin
8. Bofur
9. Nori
10. Dwalin
11. Bifur
12. Bombur

I think all the costumes are excellent except Bombur's, which to my eye just doesn't belong (also I see my Mum's old coat, circa 1960-something, every time I look at him; that's just unfortunate. The 'showing off his double chin' idea bothers me a bit as well and I'd have preferred it if he had a proper beard). But there's some gorgeous leather work and detailing on the others and I mark Kili up for having what appears to be a blue hood.

And isn't it interesting that we've all chosen something different? That suggests to me that they've done the job pretty well.


TheWhiteRider
Bree


Jul 16 2011, 8:45am

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Found this on the internet [In reply to] Can't Post

Tongue http://i56.tinypic.com/xnrwp3.gif


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jul 16 2011, 9:39am

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I LOL'd. // [In reply to] Can't Post

Evil

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules."
--Walter Sobchak


Snulle
Bree

Jul 16 2011, 9:52am

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Haha! [In reply to] Can't Post

Hilarious! Cool


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jul 16 2011, 10:10am

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That's always the indicator of good work. [In reply to] Can't Post

When different people choose different favorites from the same artist.

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules."
--Walter Sobchak


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Jul 16 2011, 11:52am

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A glimpse at my constantly shifting list [In reply to] Can't Post

1) Balin – a perfect, curly, colourful, old, Oriental Santa Claus
2) Fili – a great interpretation of what a young Dwarf could look like, stays close to the book's description of the character and exudes personality (the grin won me over)
3) Oin – a pure, unadulterated Dwarf (we needed a few of these to ground the more outlandish ones)
4) Gloin – another pure Dwarf, but loses points for essentially being exactly the same as Gimli
5) Bifur – a slightly wild, demented-looking barbarian; pushes the boundaries of Dwarven preconceptions but remains identifiable as a member of the race
6) Dwalin – a towering biker/bouncer Dwarf you don't want to cross; has a unique look but stays Dwarven
7) Dori – a bit more aristocratic than the others; his beard is a bit small, but he's got an interesting sort of attitude about him
8) Bofur – a sturdy, reliable, everyday blue-collar Dwarf; not an interesting individual but I'm glad he's a member of the group
9) Bombur – I like the Astιrix resemblance, but dislike the Harry Knowles/Fat Scotsman resemblance
10) Nori – the weirdo of the group; good design, but I'm still not sure about the star hair
11) Ori – I like the 'Dwarven nerd' idea; he looks a bit weak and hasn't got much of a beard, but overall I approve
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12) Kili – not a Dwarf by any stretch of the imagination.


Gandalf'sMother
Rohan

Jul 16 2011, 12:55pm

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I hope the dwarf/elf humor... [In reply to] Can't Post

Is not so crass and unfunny as the scene you describe. Fingers crossed!


dormouse
Half-elven

Jul 16 2011, 1:39pm

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Well, I don't know... [In reply to] Can't Post

... the shards of Narsil apart, it doesn't sound that far removed from 'Some called for ale, and some for porter, and one for coffee, and all of them for cakes'. Even in the book the dwarves were demanding house guests who took a lot of feeding. I wouldn't be surprised to see something of that in the film, with some justification. Whether it's funny or not depends on how its done and on individual taste (ours, not the dwarves'!).


DrDeath153
Lorien

Jul 16 2011, 1:54pm

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To be honest the Reading Room doesn't do much for me either [In reply to] Can't Post

The style of debate there is a bit too dense for my tastes. Having to go to the books each time i post is not actually something that rings my bell, but i'm very happy to if it is required to support my points. Perhaps being a purist i believe that my opinions (where they coincide with my purism) have more validity than the opinions of those who's don't based on the fact they reflect a vision closer to what Tolkien stated/implied. I think that's a fairly understandable attitude given that the films that we are so fervently discussing are adaptations of Tolkien's works and so are held up against benchmark of what he wrote. Whatever the end result has to be compared in terms of how closely it follows Tolkien's own intents. Therefore you could make a film which wins 11 oscars including all the major ones LotR missed out on (the best lead/supporting actor/actress categories) and yet that doesn't mean it's necessarily a great adaptation of Tolkien- a great adaptation is one that captures the story irrespective of the original's literary standing (something that the Reading Room forum is more apt to analyse).

Personally i believe, and i don't think anyone here would deny, that the original is pretty damn good (though i've got to admit not perfect- someone else mentioned that it's a little bit light in terms of the amount of material and skim reading it (though that may be the reason why) i got that feel as well- i do wish there was more of it to develop the characters) but i will always defend the story and the characters at the heart. More of the same would be great, but more of something rather different will be something i'd resist, and i will without shame demand that people who express an opinion i believe is not based on the source either find and present evidence or else make strenuously clear that their opinion is personal and thus in a sense 'second rate'....

.....Yeah, i think i can see why i've had trouble making friends hereLaugh. I don't think you could claim my thinking is illogical even if it is anti-social thoughAngelic.

Dr Death


Annael
Immortal


Jul 16 2011, 2:11pm

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there is absolutely nothing wrong with saying how you feel about things [In reply to] Can't Post

Where most people go wrong is 1. insisting that others should feel the same way and 2. trying to use some kind of "logic" or "facts" or trying to ally themselves to a group ("real fans") or an authority ("Tolkien is rolling in his grave") to make their personal preference seem more legitimate. That backfires because it gives people something to argue over, and it also paradoxically makes the person sound like they aren't so sure of their own opinion. No one can argue if you just say "well, I don't like it! I don't look at that picture and think 'dwarf.' I think PJ has gone in the wrong direction here." You've just said what YOU think and you are the only authority on that. People can say "well, I do like it," but simply expressing a different opinion is not arguing.

(Although a friend did have a boyfriend in college who, when she said "well, that's just my opinion" shouted at her "NO IT ISN'T!" That relationship didn't last long.)

The way we imagine our lives is the way we are going to go on living our lives.

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Bladerunner
Gondor


Jul 16 2011, 2:16pm

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I agree... [In reply to] Can't Post

and not expecting that kind of scenario either. I meant it in a facetious/tongue in cheek way. (btw - that kind of humor would be more suited for one of those "Epic Movie/Scary Movie" parody type films).

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