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Aelarion
The Shire


Jul 15 2011, 4:15pm

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Wow... [In reply to] Can't Post

Quite impressed with all the dwarf photos so far! It's definitely a challenge to distinguish them all as individuals, and I think the costuming and hair so far has done a good job. Now it's up to the actors, and I think that this group is up to the task.

Yes, Kili was a bit of a shock, but I don't think having one pretty dwarf is a deal breaker. I also get the distinct feeling that the dwarves in the movie will look a lot grungier and more realistic than these Photoshopped glamour shots.

Can't WAIT to see Thorin!

PS: I used to be a member on these boards years ago, but I forgot my name and password, so new account! Nice to be back!

"Such is of the course of deeds that move the wheels of the world: small hands do them because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere."


JJ Moon
The Shire


Jul 15 2011, 4:17pm

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Ventura [In reply to] Can't Post

Not really picking on him, but he has gone off the deep end with his conspiracy theories.

Dwalin really does look like the "Gov" though.

And, I live in Eagan, but from Brainerd originally. You betcha!

Jessie Ventura, as Dwalin


droidsocket
Lorien

Jul 15 2011, 4:18pm

Post #153 of 351 (6473 views)
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FarFromHome
Valinor


Jul 15 2011, 4:18pm

Post #154 of 351 (6472 views)
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And thank *you* [In reply to] Can't Post

for your thoughtful response! I agree that it's hard to avoid making generalisations - but I do think we have to try not to generalise about people (at least, people who are listening Tongue), if only because people, by and large, don't like being generalised about! Everyone thinks their own opinion is unique and nuanced, and objects to every label, no matter how impersonally meant, because labels tend to reduce every opinion to some lowest common denominator. Of course, sometimes you just have no choice but to generalise, but I think with a little thought it's often possible to make one's arguments more objectively, in terms of the topic in hand (The Hobbit in this case), rather than by trying to address the generalised (and therefore often trivialised) comments of others.

They went in, and Sam shut the door.
But even as he did so, he heard suddenly,
deep and unstilled,
the sigh and murmur of the Sea upon the shores of Middle-earth.
From the unpublished Epilogue to the Lord of the Rings



chrismortega
Bree


Jul 15 2011, 4:24pm

Post #155 of 351 (6476 views)
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I will definitely update it when Thorin is released.

"It was deliberate, it was deliberate..."


Aelarion
The Shire


Jul 15 2011, 4:28pm

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Thank you kindly!

Somewhat upsetting to see people arguing, but I guess it's to be expected. People have such an emotional attachment to these books...

I've always felt that it didn't matter if PJ's vision for the movies differed from my own... because I like to see how others interpret such a great piece of literature. If you like or agree with his vision, it doesn't make you any less of a fan than the most staunch purist. It doesn't mean that you value the books less, or any such nonsense.

So let's all just get along and enjoy the excitement that these movies are generating!! -is a hopeless idealist-

"Such is of the course of deeds that move the wheels of the world: small hands do them because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere."


redgiraffe
Rohan

Jul 15 2011, 4:30pm

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I noticed that too, droidsocket [In reply to] Can't Post

Maybe it's like the uruk-hai beserker weapon where it has a spike like thing in both directions, only more of a dwarvin design.

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


RoseCotton
Lorien


Jul 15 2011, 4:31pm

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Seeing them lined up like that... [In reply to] Can't Post

... really brings it home how large a group 13+1 is!

Numerically, it doesn't sound like 13+1 is all that much bigger than nine, but, somehow, the Fellowship never seemed like anything like so many as this group seems (and they're still one dwarf down -- plus a wizard on occasions).


rings7
Rohan


Jul 15 2011, 4:33pm

Post #159 of 351 (6471 views)
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I was waiting for that so thanks. [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm fairly pleased with both. I just wish i could see a pic of all of them, (once Thorin is out) with the actors' face pics next to each cause i keep forgetting who's who. Except for Kili for obvious reasons.

The dwarfs overall have been a plus for me, so much diversity, uniqueness which is something i wasn't expecting. Deep inside my guts i was expecting 13 Gimlis.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 15 2011, 4:34pm

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Angelic

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
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At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 15 2011, 4:36pm

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A question... [In reply to] Can't Post

It appears that this does not apply to one T. Oakenshield. Any good reason why? He is the oldest of the thirteen.

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
Life is an adventure, not a contest.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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(This post was edited by Kangi Ska on Jul 15 2011, 4:37pm)


Aelarion
The Shire


Jul 15 2011, 4:40pm

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He drank plenty of milk and avoided dwarven osteoporosis??

-is imagining those Got Milk? ads with the 13 dwarves and dieing in laughter-

"Such is of the course of deeds that move the wheels of the world: small hands do them because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere."


chrismortega
Bree


Jul 15 2011, 4:41pm

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13 Gimlis! [In reply to] Can't Post


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Deep inside my guts i was expecting 13 Gimlis.


Haha, so was I. This is why I am not a filmmaker. Great image though... I love Gimli.

"It was deliberate, it was deliberate..."


Crunchable Birdses
Rohan


Jul 15 2011, 4:42pm

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It's clearly been decided by the filmmakers that a Thorin in his prime works best for the film, instead on an ancient Thorin, so they've decided to change things a bit. I can understand why.

* crunch *


bookgirl13
Lorien


Jul 15 2011, 4:43pm

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Maybe he was so tall to begin with... [In reply to] Can't Post

... that even when old age has caused him to shrink, he is still taller than anyone else around. Visiting Treebeard in his exile

Do you think Merry and Pippin are going to be smaller than many other hobbits when they're eleventy-one?


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It appears that this does not apply to one T. Oakenshield. Any good reason why? He is the oldest of the thirteen.



(This post was edited by bookgirl13 on Jul 15 2011, 4:52pm)


rings7
Rohan


Jul 15 2011, 4:44pm

Post #166 of 351 (6473 views)
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Honestly, i feel like an 'outcast' sometimes [In reply to] Can't Post

in these boards cause i don't usually join in the arguments. I love the book, but i'm not those who want to see page by page reflected in the movies. Of any book. And it's ok if it's not how i imagine it. The movie is based on the book, not the book itself being shown in a screen. So the least thing we should expect are changes when it's adapted. So why they do this, and why they do that if in the book is different? Well, because that's what happens with adaptations.


chrismortega
Bree


Jul 15 2011, 4:45pm

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I keep forgetting that there were nine in the Fellowship... you're right - it didn't seem like a lot. But 13 dwarves plus Gandalf plus Bilbo is gonna be a lot of dudes on the screen!

EDIT: to clarify, I keep forgetting that nine is a lot of dudes. And there were nine in the fellowship, so it should have looked like a lot of dudes. The fact that there were nine in the fellowship is so ingrained in my brain I couldn't forget it if I tried...

"It was deliberate, it was deliberate..."

(This post was edited by chrismortega on Jul 15 2011, 4:48pm)


RosieLass
Valinor


Jul 15 2011, 4:48pm

Post #168 of 351 (6445 views)
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Don't feel like an outcast. [In reply to] Can't Post

And jump right into the discussions.

Most posters (even us purists) understand that an adaptation requires certain things to be changed and adjusted. I don't know of anyone who is demanding a page-by-page reiteration of the book.

The discussions simply spring from our individual views of how far we'd like that adaptation to go. Or not.

As long as nobody is implying that everyone else is an idiot for thinking differently, there is room for everyone to express an opinion.

Even you! Smile



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jul 15 2011, 4:50pm

Post #169 of 351 (6455 views)
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I'd want to see this gang take over a bar. Or a restaurant. Or someone's house.

..... wait.

Thank's for the photoshop! Smile

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster


Aelarion
The Shire


Jul 15 2011, 4:51pm

Post #170 of 351 (6410 views)
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Yeah, I really cannot wait to see Bilbo's face when this group comes barging into his house, demanding beer and cakes and whatnot! It should be priceless!

"Such is of the course of deeds that move the wheels of the world: small hands do them because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere."


ShireHorse
Rohan

Jul 15 2011, 4:54pm

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Surprisingly, I think we have common ground, Dr D, [In reply to] Can't Post

and this is what we should be looking for. Thank you for all the recent posts explaining how you feel and these are the areas where I hope we could come together:

1) You welcome the term "purist" rather than being offended by it

2) You are not a diehard purist because you don't reject films merely because they don't adhere strictly to the books

3) You think it might be best to adapt or ignore some of Tolkien's details

4) You have always liked the look of PJ's LotR trilogy

5) You don't necessarily want 13 Gimli lookalikes

6) You have put a lot of hard work into studying the text.

I aplogise if this is a poor summary of previous remarks you have made, but they give me hope that we are not totally at opposite ends of the spectrum. I know that it shouldn't be important if we both disagree from now until Kingdom Come, but it still gives me a much more pleasant feeling if we can relate on some issues.

Now I would like to attempt an explanation of why some posters do not back up their remarks with studious remarks from the text. This is not because they're lazy or care less passionately than you about how PJ presents his films, and quite a few people like bookgirl have attempted to be serious and academic in their approach. But, Kangi Ska said that he will be content if the films echo "the spirit" of the book and I think that this is what many people are doing when they say they are happy with this, that and the other but don't give a supporting quote - because there ISN'T a supporting quote. You say that Thorin is the oldest in the group and we can't deny it. But what many of us are saying is that this is not a critical point for us as long as the "spirit" of Thorin is captured (and a number of people have attempted to explain what they mean by "the spirit of Thorin"). And, yes, perhaps Tolkien does suggest that Thorin's beard is white, but, again, many posters have given reasons to explain why they prefer a man in his prime rather than someone who is old and grey. Yes, we are rejecting the small number of remarks that Tolkien makes about the age and the appearance of the dwarves and we're hoping that PJ's interpretation will bring a new life to the images circling in our heads.

We, (the "cheery brigade"), don't mind the new ideas being put forward and perhaps you do. Well, I'm sorry for that and I hope we can find at least a little common ground when the photo of Thorin comes out and, more importantly, when we see them all acting and relating to one another in the actual films.


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jul 15 2011, 4:58pm

Post #172 of 351 (6409 views)
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Just how are they all going to fit in? [In reply to] Can't Post

And the house is Hobbit sized too!

I can imagine some chair being broken under them. Tongue

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 15 2011, 4:59pm

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What can this old fogy say. [In reply to] Can't Post

According to Tolkien old Dwarves can still kick but. And Bilbo was 50 in the Hobbit and so was Frodo when he set out for Mordor. The youth cult is a delusion instilled by to many television commercials . And stay off my lawn.

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
Life is an adventure, not a contest.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Jim
Rivendell


Jul 15 2011, 5:02pm

Post #174 of 351 (6349 views)
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Though you would have major difficulties in making it your desktop background. Laugh


rings7
Rohan


Jul 15 2011, 5:03pm

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It's just that it reminds me my English college classes, when we spent hours and hours (night 3 hour classes) digesting a book that was made into a movie. I was mostly like 'can this be over now?' Crazy

I'm not necessarily bothered, i exagerated by saying 'page by page' i know you guys don't expect that. I'm just in the side of 'that's how the director and crew want it done for a reason' and be done with it. Angelic

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