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redgiraffe
Rohan

Jul 15 2011, 2:28pm

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I think the height is different because [In reply to] Can't Post

Ken Stott is a little short and Graham Mctavish is a little tall

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Jettorex
Lorien


Jul 15 2011, 2:33pm

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Blue beard? [In reply to] Can't Post

Isn't one of them supposed to have a blue beard?


- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."




RoseCotton
Lorien


Jul 15 2011, 2:34pm

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What if the oriental person in question isn't American. At all. [In reply to] Can't Post

Many aren't you know... Crazy


Bladerunner
Gondor


Jul 15 2011, 2:37pm

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Dori [In reply to] Can't Post

It was actually Dori that fell and dropped Bilbo in the goblin tunnels.


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Jul 15 2011, 2:37pm

Post #105 of 351 (7015 views)
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Yeah, Dwalin is supposed to have a blue beard... [In reply to] Can't Post

...but Balin's beard looks more blue! Also, Kili is supposed to have a yellow beard, but they seem to have omitted any bright colours... I hope they haven't taken all of the colours out of the Arkenstone too...


JJ Moon
The Shire


Jul 15 2011, 2:37pm

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Jessie Ventura...as a dwarf?! [In reply to] Can't Post

Not a Ventura fan, but am I the only one that Dwalin looks like Jessie "The Body", or the other way around?

"I ain't got time to Bleed", Dwalin, in The Hobbit.

Jessie Ventura, as Dwalin


eralkfang
Lorien


Jul 15 2011, 2:37pm

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Hmm… [In reply to] Can't Post

I believe "Oriental" is still considered okay in Europe, but in the United States, it's more or less uncomfortably old-fashioned, like the use of the word "colored". And when you're trying to describe something, it's considered polite to try and use the actual culture you think it's derived from rather than using a term that lumps together all of Asia.


RoseCotton
Lorien


Jul 15 2011, 2:39pm

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Ah! Thanks for the correction! [In reply to] Can't Post

I knew it was one of the dwarves! Wink


RoseCotton
Lorien


Jul 15 2011, 2:40pm

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You may have missed the point of what I was saying! :-) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 15 2011, 2:42pm

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The Orient is a region of this earth [In reply to] Can't Post

and if you go to the Oriental Art Museum in Chicago you would discover that the Orient is a much larger piece of land than just China. It is closer to a synonym for Asia.

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DrDeath153
Lorien

Jul 15 2011, 2:46pm

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Just so long as it does better what i've imagined [In reply to] Can't Post

Which is possibly quite a bit harder with these films since the images the last lot inspired are actually pretty good. By and large, from appearances, to my tastes, they aren't (not Balin and Dwalin specifically there, i mean the dwarves generally). Don't get me wrong, i don't intend to boycott the films or sit in the isles hissing at designs i don't like- i will appreciate them 'on their own terms' but they haven't sold me on being the definitive versions of the characters in the same way the characters in Lord of the Rings did and ultimately, films being a visual medium the visual element is more important to me in a way than the acting- it's the images that i'll take with me going back to the book, and i'm afraid the images so far have been a bit sub-par to my eyes. Sure the performances may be good, even definitive, but they won't be as strong in your mind as you read the book. It strikes me as a pity and yes Peter Jackson can't please all of the people all of the time, ultimately there will be compromises in how you figure any element will look, but i almost wish he had played a bit more safe so as not to go treading on his own toes, let alone anyone else's.

Dr Death


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 15 2011, 2:48pm

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You pickin' on our former Governor? [In reply to] Can't Post

Jes "The Govner of Minesota" Ventura "The Body Politic" Wink

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FarFromHome
Valinor


Jul 15 2011, 2:50pm

Post #113 of 351 (6923 views)
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Well [In reply to] Can't Post


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So can the cheery brigade appreciate how expressing legitimate opinions might be a bit of a thankless task for the horrible old cynics? You might tell us not to bother but then our complaints will just be swept away- no-one listens to complaints if they can help it- they're such downers. My recommendation would be to encourage those who would otherwise write a one line praise to instead do a similar amount of research, and then we might see who's the vocal minorityAngelic

If you cared to do some "research" into the past efforts of contributors to the LotR Movie Board, for example, you might find some longer and more developed thoughts on what Peter Jackson did right - and why some of the things that you dismiss so summarily here (xenophobic Elrond, reluctant Theoden, crazed Denethor and a Frodo that ends up mistrusting his Sam) might have a value beyond your own interpretation of them.

As a paid-up member of the "cheery brigade", I may be a minority of one, but I just don't have the energy to get involved in the kind of aggressive point-scoring that seems to pass for discussion a lot of the time on this board.


They went in, and Sam shut the door.
But even as he did so, he heard suddenly,
deep and unstilled,
the sigh and murmur of the Sea upon the shores of Middle-earth.
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redgiraffe
Rohan

Jul 15 2011, 2:50pm

Post #114 of 351 (6929 views)
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Ahhhh darnit, none of you got the joke [In reply to] Can't Post

It was a reference to the Big Lebowski, that's the only reason why I posted that.

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RoseCotton
Lorien


Jul 15 2011, 2:52pm

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Indeed, as opposed to the Occident. [In reply to] Can't Post

What I'm still a little bewildered by is why someone seems able to assume, when talking about 'oriental' styling (which I think is where this came from), that it's more correct to bring 'American' into it than not. What has America got to do with 'eastern-style' design? 'Asian-American' may be an objectively sound description of someone of Asian extraction who happens to be American, but not everything in the world is American! Wink


RoseCotton
Lorien


Jul 15 2011, 2:53pm

Post #116 of 351 (6878 views)
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Went rather over my head... ;-) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jul 15 2011, 2:56pm

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You sure have taken a pretty tough stance about definitive versions... [In reply to] Can't Post

...going by only heavily altered promotional photos. Crazy

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redgiraffe
Rohan

Jul 15 2011, 2:58pm

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Yeah you need to see the movie [In reply to] Can't Post

trust me it would have been funny.

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RosieLass
Valinor


Jul 15 2011, 3:05pm

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Works for me. [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't love them the way I love Oin and Gloin, but I they also don't make my heart sink the way Nori and Bifur do.



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)


DrDeath153
Lorien

Jul 15 2011, 3:05pm

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Well i mean definitive in the sense of [In reply to] Can't Post

Complete. Other artists may depict them, but they will never be quite so alive, quite so real as the versions we shall see on the big screen- they will be very, very hard to remove from the heads of those who (like me) do not have an iron-clad image of what they 'should' look like (i do have fairly iron-clad ideas about what they shouldn't thoughLaugh)

Dr Death


Snulle
Bree

Jul 15 2011, 3:05pm

Post #121 of 351 (6815 views)
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Word! [In reply to] Can't Post

Although it will take some convincing to make me "believe" in Kili as a dwarf. But I'm confident I will be very pleased in the end.


Rodu
Rivendell

Jul 15 2011, 3:11pm

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Dwalin's scars? [In reply to] Can't Post

I wonder if that is scarring on Dwalin's head and fore arms from maybe dragon fire?


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Jul 15 2011, 3:13pm

Post #123 of 351 (6830 views)
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We all know the actor's height has nothing to do with it... [In reply to] Can't Post

Otherwise they would've chosen Warwick Davis for Bilbo. Balin is either made to look short or the actor was chosen because he was short, either way the choice was made for a reason.


RosieLass
Valinor


Jul 15 2011, 3:14pm

Post #124 of 351 (6823 views)
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People are passionate because they care. [In reply to] Can't Post

On both sides of the issue.

Some may feel that the purists are being too hardnosed, and they may feel like their opinions aren't welcome. (And unfortunately, there are probably some who are creating that impression...inadvertently or not.)

There are also times when the purist point of view has been soundly mocked and made to feel unwelcome.

We all need to learn to express ourselves without demanding that everyone else agree with us, and without sneering and looking down our noses at those who disagree.



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)


bookgirl13
Lorien


Jul 15 2011, 3:15pm

Post #125 of 351 (6810 views)
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Thanks for that observation [In reply to] Can't Post

As I have found after being a member here for a number of years, there are an enormous amount of thoughful and balanced posts. So Dr D, there is researched ballast on all sides and all of the boards, even posts that have responded to your comments.

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