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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Jul 12 2011, 11:30pm
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Back off! The snarky fire-breathing ginger is mine! ALL MINE!//
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sauget.diblosio
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Jul 12 2011, 11:32pm
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this is the first set of pictures that i don't love. i sort of understand that they want to get the hunk factor into the hobbit somewhere, but these two just look like normal humans. they don't look bad, they just don't look like dwarves-- especially kili. honestly, i was afraid that they were going to do this with all the dwarves, so the first five reveals were a big relief. but honestly, this photo is a disappointment. but i absolutely love the previous 5, and fili looks actually not too bad, but kili is just far too hunky for a dwarf. my concerns when i saw that they cast aidan turner seem to have come to fruition. oh well. bring on more dwarves!
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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea
Jul 12 2011, 11:33pm
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I wonder how he is taking this. Naturally, it's not the actor's fault how his character looks like - it's up to PJ and the design team. But remembering how Liv even still sometimes gets bashed for the changes PJ made for her character... I hope the guy has either the wisdom of his own, or someone wise advising him to not to read these threads.
Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster
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Theodred
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Jul 12 2011, 11:33pm
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I just was making you aware of this remarkable interview,
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because Aidan Turner said he was growing out his beard for Kili, but after seeing the photo of Kili, the opposite seems true: Kili with (almost) no beard. so somewhere down the line PJ felt a beard for Kili probably wasn't working for him I guess.
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Brandybuckled
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Jul 12 2011, 11:36pm
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Almost Kha'ili Drogo!
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QuackingTroll
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Jul 12 2011, 11:37pm
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I have a feeling the beard in this picture is a work-in-progress...
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Either he'll have a thicker beard in the film or his beard will grow as the story progresses...
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Patty
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Jul 12 2011, 11:40pm
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I was thinking the same thing.
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But I loved Liv's Arwen, and I take every thread opportunity to say so, in case she somehow still gets to know.
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Geldof the Grey
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Jul 12 2011, 11:41pm
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Kili looks like he's hitting us with dwarf blue steel! Seriously this is a bit too much isn't it? I keep seeing comments that Tolkien never described what the dwarves looked like and I'm sure he didn't, but Peter Jackson did establish a "look" for them. No one wants to see thirteen identical Gimlis, but Kili is a bit too far removed from what we already know. He just looks human. I would like to have seen Alan Lee and John Howe's faces when PJ sprung this one on them. I bet they swallowed their paintbrushes.
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Patty
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Jul 12 2011, 11:43pm
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Well, don't quack too loudly or you'll wake her up./
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Faenoriel
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Jul 12 2011, 11:48pm
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And firmly belief the inclusion of her story from the Appendices to the main saga was exactly the right choice. Tolkien would have approved.
Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster
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QuackingTroll
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Jul 12 2011, 11:48pm
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Tolkien DID describe them... anyone who says otherwise is in denial.
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Fili and Kili are described as short and fat with yellow beards, blue hoods and silver belts. Dori, Ori, Nori, Oin and Gloin however, are not described beyond the colour of their hoods.
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Altaira
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Jul 12 2011, 11:49pm
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I don't understand your logic, I guess
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I don't understand how appreciating the good looks of an actor or actress translates into abandoning all loyalty to Tolkien. Surely you're not going to tell me that anyone of the male persuasion who thinks Liv Tyler or Miranda Otto are hot are traitors to the books? So, yes, even by including only "a particular group expressing their glee over his steamy appeal" you are painting a very broad brush to take that and draw a very specific conclusion like the one you're drawing about females here at TORn. We don't have anything to prove, but if you know half of us even half as well as we deserve, you would know that none of us deserve that harsh judgment. I hope you never stumble upon a good Estrogen Island session here (which, by the way, doesn't include a LOTR book-burning), as we'll all sorely disappoint you, as will the lads here who like a good Testosterone Tower thread.
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Faenoriel
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Jul 12 2011, 11:50pm
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A little correction to the above
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I'm in no way accusing anyone of bashing Turner. No such sentimentals have appeared here. I shouldn't have even brought the subject into the discussion, as it's ultimately secondary. The mere fact that many fans are reacting negatively to his character must be hard for the actor.
Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster
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sauget.diblosio
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Jul 12 2011, 11:52pm
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it's my understanding that dwarves don't start out thin and then get "fat", but that the dwarvish race is a naturally stocky race. elephants don't start out skinny then get fat, they always look like elephants, and always have that same basic elephant shape.
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lurtz2010
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Jul 12 2011, 11:52pm
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They're perfect young dwarves and people really need to get over the beards, they'll probably get longer as the journey goes on anyway.
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taekotemple
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Jul 12 2011, 11:52pm
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Kili does look a little Ted Theodore Logan... Hmm...
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marillaraina
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Jul 12 2011, 11:54pm
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To me, this shows the real progression of the dwarf lifespan if you will. I could totally see young dwarves starting out fairly "normal" looking, just small(and to be honest the only thing we really know about Tolkien's dwarves is they have beards and they are short and kind of stocky, other than that there is no reason to think they aren't as individual as humans are and some humans are sort of squat and ugly and some are tall and beautiful and some are small and beautiful and some are tall and ugly, etc, etc, etc). Aule was after originally making them to be similar to Iluvatar's creations, IIRC - Elves and Men(actually didn't dwarves come before Men? I can't remember but I supposed the Valar knew men were coming some day by that point), he didn't set out to make squat little rough guys, they just didn't turn out quite how he planned them too, because he didn't have Iluvatar's abilities. So I'd imagine they might look alright to start and then sort of start looking more stereotypically "dwarvish" as they age. To be honest I tend to think that the Gimli-like dwarves are probably considered the hotties of the dwarf world and while we may think "Oh look at Kili and Fili, how adorable" they are probably thought of as being not great looking by OTHER dwarves(at least not yet, they are, at this point in their lives, basically little more than teenagers) . Sort of like Marilyn from The Munsters. LOL (If anyone hasn't seen it, it's a comedy from the 60's based on the idea of Frankenstein's monster, Dracula, dracula's daughter being a family with the monster and the daughter's son being a wolf boy - they have a young niece who lives with them named Marilyn who is very pretty blonde girl, to human eyes, but they are always feeling bad for her because, to their eyes, she's very plain. :) ) Basically I could even see it being played for a bit of a joke, about how the "goodlooking" dwarves are actually "ugly". Though I guess maybe this explains all that ribbing Aidan Turner took about "sex appeal" in that charity video. :)
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Flagg
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Jul 12 2011, 11:54pm
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'The Hobbit: Fili and Kili's Excellent Adventure'? //
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QuackingTroll
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Jul 13 2011, 12:08am
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But Liv Tyler and Miranda Otto's characters are described as fair in the books... //
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Flagg
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Jul 13 2011, 12:10am
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As what is presumably the diametric counterpart of Estrogen Island (or Oestrogen Island, as I prefer to call it), wouldn't a good Testosterone Tower thread involve male Tornadoes fawning over attractive female actresses? If so, I don't think we've actually had any of those – as far as I can recall, the announcements of Evangeline Lilly and Cate Blanchett didn't result in an any 'approving males vs disapproving females' arguments (whose inverse R11 seems to see here). Unless by 'Testosterone Tower sessions' you mean those threads where some of us enthusiastically discussed the merits of a crusty old Thorin not aimed towards the female sector of the audience.
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Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth
Lorien
Jul 13 2011, 12:20am
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than that twisted creature
All you have to decide is what to do with the time that has been given to you...
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Garfeimao
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Jul 13 2011, 12:20am
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Sorry, I'm going to pull out the girl card too and say 'Hubba Hubba' here. When the cast list started coming out I kept hoping we'd get to see the faces of some of these actors, and it looks like we will be able to. Yup, I'm a wee bit shallow on this point, but I was not looking foward to seeing 13 pairs of eyes staring out of fuzzy faces for two whole films. But I do have to wonder about the Middle-earth Cosmo pose and the obvious advertising for Lothlorien Beauty Care products going on here.
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Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth
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Jul 13 2011, 12:22am
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although it apparently was given.
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marillaraina
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Jul 13 2011, 12:22am
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I've thought this for a while now
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...That these two rascals are the new Merry-Pippin duo for The Hobbit. I really thought everything about what they seemed to be casting for said "Merry and Pippin of the Hobbit" and it also makes sense, given how they end up - that he might particularly want to make the audience get to know and feel for them so the ending will have some poignancy and affect..
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taekotemple
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Jul 13 2011, 12:22am
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I agree with your assessment of Fili
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It seems like people are mostly posting about Kili not looking dwarven enough, but I agree with you, Fili looks suitably dwarven to me.
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