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rings7
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Jul 12 2011, 10:02pm
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Whether we like it or not, this will put more seats on the movie theaters which is at the end the main purpose of making a film. I just came from a blog where they just posted this picture and they're all ecstatic, did i say ecstatic? euphoric! with how these dwarfs are looking. All the Being Human fans are already sold out for the Hobbit.
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Amigo
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Jul 12 2011, 10:02pm
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Kili and Fili would be considered ugly by dwarven standards? And Oin and Gloin are the hunks? Who knows? All that matters to me is that the actors personify the dwarven race through their acting abilities.
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R11
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Jul 12 2011, 10:02pm
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Paint all the fans with a broad brush. I specifically commented about a particular group expressing their glee over his steamy appeal. So, unless you have a guilty conscience Altaira it shouldn't bother you ron
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Kangi Ska
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Jul 12 2011, 10:02pm
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Well I knew what you would say when these popped up.
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My thoughts go back to PJ's choice of 3-D. It gave a clear signal that he intended to go in a new direction. I would say that it is not what I expected but it could still turn out well in the end. If The Hildebrandt Brothers, Alan Lee, and Cor Blok can all illustrate Tolkien then I can live with GQ Dwarves.
Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain Life is an adventure, not a contest. At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Marionette
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Jul 12 2011, 10:03pm
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Are people saying they have no beards?
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Kili and Fili have beards XD Why people say they haven´t. They have beards of YOUNG dwarves Honestly the dwarves are not described, they basically are all the same while reading the book (s), OK, with some feaures, but making them different is OK So, it is not my worry the look of the dwarves, or other characters. Still waiting for Thorin cuz he is my favorite.
"Dear friend good bye, no tears in my eyes. So sad it ends, as it began"
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Flagg
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Jul 12 2011, 10:03pm
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Dori, Nori and Ori didn't look like cookie-cutter Dwarves either
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But their photo was released to markedly better reception than this one. I don't want them to be thirteen Gimlis any more than you do, but I do want them to look like they're actually Dwarves. Judging by this picture, Kili does not quite fulfil that basic requirement.
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sharpened_graphite
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Jul 12 2011, 10:05pm
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It's not that dwarves should be "ugly"...
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...it's rather that they shouldn't be handsome in this kind of squeaky clean Holllywood pretty boy manner. Look at this dwarf by Alan Lee: http://imageshack.us/...mages/97/dwarfs.jpg/ He looks like a dwarf without being "ugly", if anything he looks noble and dignified. The last thing he resembles is a model out of a fashion magazine (unfortunately the same cannot be said for Kili).
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mykonos
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Jul 12 2011, 10:06pm
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And then when we have the pics of all the dwarves, we can better make assumptions.
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RosieLass
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Jul 12 2011, 10:09pm
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I'm not understanding your distinction
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...between "ugly" and "not handsome." Apart from saying that dwarves are shorter than men and stockier than hobbits (which Kili admittedly isn't), Tolkien really doesn't define a "dwarvish" look. So I don't see how anyone can say definitively what they do or do not look like.
It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)
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Flagg
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Jul 12 2011, 10:10pm
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Liv's concerns were caused/amplified by fan feedback.
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I really don't know if the fans were what ultimately caused PJ to reconsider, but at this point, it hardly matters: you can delete a XenArwen sequence, but you can't reshoot every single scene that features Kili. So unless they figure out some way to go back and digitally Dwarfanise him, we're stuck with the hunk.
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RosieLass
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Jul 12 2011, 10:11pm
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...that the "XenArwen" persona was eliminated before the fans ever knew anything about it.
It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)
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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea
Jul 12 2011, 10:12pm
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But Christ is always portrayed as a handsome man
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Notice though, that they manage the handsome look even while he is very bearded. That's something that little irks me here. I understand they wanted to let Kili be handsome, but it wasn't necessary to make him pretty and shiny. Bearded men can look very good too. As a metal fan I should know this.
Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster
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QuackingTroll
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Jul 12 2011, 10:15pm
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Dwarves are ugly because they are not Illuvatar's children.
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They are imperfect creations of Aule. Not ugly, but they certainly shouldn't compare to the beauty of elves...
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Faenoriel
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Jul 12 2011, 10:19pm
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Actually, Kili being handsome is not the problem here
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It's him being a wrong kind of handsome. Fili looks pretty agreeable to me too, but he still keeps that Dwarven look. Tolkien isn't very keen on describing his characters in minute detail (do the Elves have pointy ears, anyone?) but he does make it clear that Dwarves are short, strongly built and have beards. He doesn't say they're ugly. Now, this Kili here is tall, slim and pretty unbearded. That's the problem, not his handsome face.
Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster
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R11
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Jul 12 2011, 10:19pm
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It has nothing to do with knitting. What it does have to do with is a number of women getting hot and bothered over a Dwarf! Yes, a Dwarf! That in itself should tell you something is not right... Dwarves are short and stout, with heavy features. I think it's safe to say that when you have a Dwarf women are swooning over, and has nicer hair than Arwen, something has gone off the tracks somewhere . ron
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Muireadhaigh
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Jul 12 2011, 10:23pm
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I never said they should look the same
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but,,, they shouldn't be handsome. At least I dont think they should imho. They were not part of Iluvitar's plan for the earth. It has been a while since I read the story, so I can't go into it, other than to say, they weren't meant to be. They were created by an eager Valar who didn't have the skill to create a new race, hence their short stature and, in my opinion at least, their physical shortcomings relating to beauty. Anyway, it's just my opinion.
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Faenoriel
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Jul 12 2011, 10:24pm
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Dwarves aren't "imperfect". There's no mention of them being any worse than Elves or Men in any kind. And they're Children of Ilúvatar too, because Eru adopted them. They're short in stature, and strongly built to be able to survive the dangers of Arda Marred. That's the reason for their distinctive looks: that they would be strong, and because Aulë wasn't quite sure how the Children are *exactly* going to look like. Saying they're ugly because they're imperfect is like saying they're ugly like Orcs are ugly for their fall of grace. In M-E, being úvanima and losing your beauty is connected to moral decay, and linking Dwarves to this is pretty insulting to us Dwarf-friends. Sorry if I heated up, I don't mean to be mean. I'm just passionate about this stuff.
Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Jul 12 2011, 10:24pm
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Although I'm a little surprised at the look of Kili, it is nothing to make me stay out of theaters, cursing PJ all the way. The attitudes they project from this one picture seem right for a couple of young dudes out to take back the ancestral home, etc. They look cocky, proud, sure of their skill, and if they are also easy on the eyes from a human female point of view, I can live with that.
And suddenly the Tornadoes saw afar off a greenlight, as it were a cloud with a living heart of flame; and they knew that this was no vision only, but that PJ had made a new thing: The Hobbit, the Film that Is.
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Patty
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Jul 12 2011, 10:25pm
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Although, to be strictly accurate, Eru made it all--even Morgoth and the Balrogs. And they wouldn't win any beauty contests.
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sharpened_graphite
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Jul 12 2011, 10:25pm
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Well, there's a certain archetype that the dwarves express....
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They're miners, craftsmen, warriors, hardy and resilient folk. That already imposes certain traits on their appearance. People who lead hard lives (even young people) never looked well groomed and smooth faced the way young good looking actors and models do. And moreover, dwarves specifically embody the archetype of old age and its qualities, wisdom, stalwartness, irascibility. They're kin to Rocks and Mountains, the oldest elements in the world. They don't have beards for nothing. So even younger dwarves have to reflect that in their appearance in some way. These are the defining characteristics of the whole race. Of course it all depends on your decision of "handsome", and if it includes "dignified, noble and distinguished looking" than yes, dwarves can be handsome, if however it means Robert Pattinson from Twilight, than they most definitely aren't.
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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea
Jul 12 2011, 10:27pm
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Morgoth and the fire spirits were beautiful too in their original form. Only their moral fall from grace made them incabable of taking fair form. Eru didn't make them ugly.
Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster
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Jul 12 2011, 10:28pm
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Or maybe someone in the PJ camp realised they're making a film
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and need to include at least one attractive main character. Just a stab in the dark... In an ensemble of 13 lumpy dwarves I'm happy to "take the hit" as it were and have one good-looking one. Besides, has Tolkien ever described what a very young dwarf looks like?
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Patty
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Jul 12 2011, 10:29pm
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And there is a "hubba hubba" coming from the direction of Texas, too!
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redgiraffe
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Jul 12 2011, 10:29pm
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It would have been better had he been a little closer looking to Fili
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If you look at Fili he looks the least dwarven of the others (excluding Kili) but still maintains a handsome look and can still pass for a dwarf and I find him completely believable as one of the youngest dwarves. I would find Kili just as believable had they done something similar but the thing is that Aidan has too fair of a face. He has a much more "GQ" look than O'Gorman. Maybe this is how he starts the journey and throughout the film his beard gets longer. I HOPE that happens. Again it's not the end of the world but it feels like they are trying to put a male megan fox in the film (although Turner is probably 10,000 xs better actor)
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