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Elentari03
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Jun 17 2011, 2:52pm
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I am glad I am not the only one who thought the sound had improved greatly. I watch the EEs at home every month and noticed so many new phrases at the special screening. The sound throughout was very clear.
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Brandybuckled
Lorien
Jun 18 2011, 5:38pm
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When the best case is "I wont notice the change" then why make the change in the first place? I wonder if the blanket teal tint is to cover for defects now visible with the improved image (masks on doubles, etc). I loved the bright white snow scenes, because they were above the clouds (and non-magical weather) and it reminded me of the Hobbit scene where Bilbo breaks through to the treetops in Mirkwood and can suddenly see and feel the sun. The comparison shots showing white snow/blue sky vs (to my admittedly less-than-ideal male color vision) blue snow/blue sky concern me. I'm hoping my brain makes the adjustment to see it differently in-film, but again why make the change at all if it's supposed to be transparent? Slapping drabness on the Shire seems a curious choice, too. The beautiful first half of FotR is my kids' favorite and they've seen it many dozens of times. I wonder if they'll notice.
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Patty
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Jun 18 2011, 6:09pm
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"I wonder if the blanket teal tint is to cover for defects now visible with the improved image (masks on doubles, etc)"
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You make a very good point. That's entirely possible. I've tried not to look so hard as to see the masks, etc. because that spoils it for me. But my problem is not so much with the green tint by itself--it would not have been my choice, but there it is--it's that: 1. The mood of certain scenes is then changed. Hobbiton isn't the bright sunny, warm place it was. Nor is Rivendell in the autumn of its time. These colors were, according to all that extra info on the EE DVD appendices, chosen for a reason. The green tint, at least in the screen caps that I have seen, change the mood along with the color. Perhaps it will look different on the actual disc. I'm holding out judgement until I actually see it, unlike some I've read who are cancelling their pre-orders. I'd say it was a prejudicial over-reaction if it weren't for the fact that $84 is a LOT of money to pay to get it home and it not be what you remember and fell in love with. 2. Several scenes are now too dark for me. As I mentioned before--the Midgewater Marsh scene--actually, before that, at "second breakfast"--that scene really is darkened. But there are no doubles or CGI there, so, why? I will still be buying. I've waited 3 years for this one set--well, I'd rather have the ultimate box set , but I understand the need to wait further on that. But if the picture looks all dark, even where it shouldn't be, then I'll just have to view my upconverted DVDs.
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Raphael
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Jun 18 2011, 7:16pm
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It looks like the teal tint was added on later, just look at this http://postimage.org/image/2zaubxdpg/ (Wake up scene of Frodo). I would like to know if the green tint was not or is part of Jackson's and Lesnie's restoration. I'd really like to get a response about this from Jackson! Anyone else think this should be front page news?
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QuackingTroll
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Jun 18 2011, 7:21pm
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post a link to "got news" on the homepage. It's a confusing matter...
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Patty
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Jun 18 2011, 7:43pm
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I don't think that TORn posters have quite the interest in this blu-ray release that is being so hotly and passionately debated on the three major home theater sites. We here love the books and the movies, but not necessarily blu-ray. I don't think TORn would get the, what is it film archivist and restorer Robert Harris said on The Home Theater Forum, over 6,000 posts and over a third of a million reads on the home theater forums that this subject is getting. Maybe it's just that the majority here probably want to wait to see it before getting upset. An entirely reasonable decision.
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Patty
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Jun 18 2011, 7:57pm
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Yes. I've even read that the issue was brought up to Harry Knowles and he emailed PJ...
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several days ago. So, I'm pretty sure he, Andrew Lesnie, and all of WB knows. The reviews I've read from people who actually have the discs have been pretty positive--not just about the vastly improved sharpness but also about the effect of the green tint. I really think/hope optimism is called for here.
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sharku
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Jun 19 2011, 10:01am
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several days ago. So, I'm pretty sure he, Andrew Lesnie, and all of WB knows. /reply] Personally I prefer the look of the blu-ray caps linked above to the DVD ones. More even colouration for starters. Even if PJ and AL did agree that the colouration was 'off', I doubt they'd publicly come out against it, with millions of dollars at stake in terms of product already manufactured and pre-sold.
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JWPlatt
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Jun 19 2011, 3:10pm
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What?! PJ? Allow earthly financial desires to corrupt artistic integrity? Impossible! Heh, I like the new nickname for this release and the ilk of this trend - green-ray. For the record, I like many of the changes. They have improved some things, but at a cost. It's hardly art when you indiscriminantly throw a green bucket of paint onto an entire film without any judicious use whatsoever for things like snow and sky, not to mention Gandalf's beard. What it will have done to the entire mood of Hobbiton, if these screen caps really are accurate, would be shameful.
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Patty
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Jun 19 2011, 3:18pm
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I thought I read that the new nickname was
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Lord of the Green. As I said, the darkening of the overall movie is the very worrying to me. I don't want to have to set my TV to Vivid mode just to watch this movie.
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Jun 20 2011, 7:19am
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Tha hobbiton scene espeically...
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Honiestly I can say that the scene espeically is one where the tone has always bothered me, it does seem a bit too washed out as as a result I think the location(espeically the no admittance sign) reveals is "fakeness" much more.
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Kendalf
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Jun 20 2011, 10:33am
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I think you may be right there, Patty. This is a much, much, MUCH bigger issue than the handful of contributions on this thread would suggest...and probably for the reasons you suggest, too. The AV enthusiasts currently swarming around this topic elsewhere (on AV specialist sites) number in their hundreds of thousands, and I count myself amongst them, too. I've been looking forward to this release for years. I've even held off watching the films for a few years now so that watching them in their extended HD glory will have all the more imapct AND I've even bought a new amplifier to make the most of the HD sound on the blu-ray discs. In a fit of excitement, I pre-ordered the set weeks ago when it was first announced. This tinting mistake (in my opinion that's all it can be - blue snow and fade-to-green as deliberate choices?!) is the last thing I want..
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Kendalf
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Jun 20 2011, 10:42am
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@Brandybuckled Yep, it was me that raised the issue on PJ's Facebook page. I certainly hope it doesn't tick him off, though! I'm a massive, massive fan of the trilogy and just want it to get the blu-ray treatment it deserves!! Raising the topic on his Facebook page just seemed to me the most direct way of bringing the controversy to his attention that I could manage (as I'm not in any way associated with the industry and have no connections to exploit)... Mmm. I think I might go and post something along these lines on the Facebook discussion just to make sure he doesn't get ticked off!
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Patty
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Jun 20 2011, 7:19pm
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You echo my own thoughts. I wonder why these changes were made. This explanation is what I'm waiting for. Why? I know some felt that there was too much warm color, especially in Rivendell, (I was not one of them, but some did feel that).
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Kendalf
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Jun 20 2011, 8:48pm
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But I don't think we're going to get an explanation as to why there's been a blanket teal tint added to the entire film...because there isn't one. It can only be a mistake. However, Jackson and Lesnie certainly did get involved in carefully re-grading the colour in some of the scenes (including Rivendell) for the new blu-ray as there had been so many complaints about the picture-quality of the Theatrical Version and, I suppose, because their tastes had changed slightly over the years, too. I'm not a huge fan of this sort of revisionist tinkering but, by most accounts, their changes are positive so I'm content enough with them. Here's a link to Blu-ray.com where reviewer Ken Brown puts the whole issue rather succinctly... http://forum.blu-ray.com/4862908-post4413.html
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SteveDJ
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Jun 20 2011, 8:51pm
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Looks like we have plenty of candidates for the next Caption Contest! //
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SteveDJ
Rivendell
Jun 20 2011, 8:55pm
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There may not be any announcements of issues until AFTER June 28?
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There is this wonderful event with the EEs in theaters right now, every Tuesday, ending on Tuesday June 28 - to coincide with the EE BluRay release. If an announcement was made that there was a mistake, it would mean slipping the release. And then what happens to this movie event?
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JWPlatt
Grey Havens
Jun 20 2011, 10:21pm
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That is an excellent and sane post that is clearly meant to be helpful to a community of enthusiasts. Very nice find. Thanks.
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Brandybuckled
Lorien
Jun 20 2011, 10:53pm
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Fellowship of the Ring: Minas Morgul edition!
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Hmm... Minas Morgul Mint would be a good Ben & Jerry's ice cream flavor. Okay, now I'm hungry.
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Patty
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Jun 21 2011, 1:18am
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I mean...can this really be right?
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http://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-movies-north-america/163012-lord-rings-extended-editions-june-28-pre-order-up-233.html (post #4658 )
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JWPlatt
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Jun 21 2011, 4:01am
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There can be issues with blu-ray screen captures. We need to be just as wary of them. I think we're going to have to wait either to see it onscreen for ourselves or eventually get a statement directly from the Director's mouth. Personally, I'll buy if this turns out to be a big deal over nothing, or after the green curtain is lifted. If it's intentional, I'll probably just watch my EE DVDs and wait for the Middle Earth Ultimate Collector's Edition (LOTR + TH).
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Steven Van der Berg
Rivendell
Jun 21 2011, 6:15am
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...I talked a friend into projecting some of the low-res stills on their Epson lcd projector- the higher contrast and brightness of the projector, plus the fact that he has the projector calibrated to 6500k, which is a bit warmer than my monitor, makes the color temperature of some of the "problem images" , look closer to neutral. So the device you use to view and its' calibration, can obviously make a difference.
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