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Poll: Are you a Homeschooler or Not
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taekotemple
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Jun 4 2011, 8:24am


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I'm not sure I completely agree with you. [In reply to] Can't Post

I've attended both public and private schools. I've also worked doing counseling at two public schools. I think there are some wonderful advantages and disadvantages to both.

I've mostly preferred my private school experience. I had smaller classes, more options of classes to take, and I got to take all the classes I signed up for when in high school (except for the chemistry class... they bumped me up to honors chemistry.) But the issue I had with private school is that I grew up in a low income single parent family, and most of my classmates were upper-middle class to wealthy. They couldn't understand why I didn't have the nice clothes they had, couldn't afford a car, vacations all over the world, etc. That was somewhat isolating. And at one of the private schools I attended when I was in elementary school, I was picked on, not only by the other kids, but one of the two women who owned and ran the school. I think in public school, that woman would have been more likely to have been fired for that in the public school system.

As for public school, I had some really great teachers as well as some I had in private school. But the classes were often really big, and the larger class sizes did affect how well I learned. I didn't always get into the classes I wanted, and my honors student friends who went to public school often found themselves scheduled in classes that were totally inappropriate for their needs and goals (one friend was put in drivers ed when she was 14 -- what good was that class to her when she wasn't even old enough for a permit?) I was also more likely to be separated from friends depending on what classes they decided to put me in, which ended up with me having a totally different lunch period from my closest friends, having a pretty depressing effect on my social life.

My biggest problem with the public school system has to do more with my older brother, though. If he had to go to public school the entire time he was in school, he would likely have dropped out at a much earlier age than he did. The schools and the teachers he had in public school just weren't properly trained on how to teach a kid with dyslexia. Instead of getting additional help from the teachers, he just got punished. He ended up going to a school that was specifically set up for highly intelligent kids with learning disabilities, and if that school hadn't lost funding and had to close its doors, he would have graduated. He ended up getting his G.E.D. and scored extremely well.

My experience with working as a counselor in public schools also impacts my view of public schools in general. It seems like public schools are a little better in helping kids with learning disabilities than they were when my brother was a kid. But they still need a lot of work. I also find that some of the teachers are overwhelmed because so many cut backs are being made to schools that sometimes, it's very difficult to do much of anything that resembles education. Many of the teachers would just toss me whatever kid was considered a troublemaker or a bad student so they didn't have to deal with them. And of course, the kids they handed over to me weren't actually bad kids at all and hardly deserved the label. Some of them were incredibly smart kids that were dealing with some very difficult situations in their lives. Oh, and did I mention that I wasn't getting paid in anything other than hours towards getting my license? With as little teachers get paid these days, I wasn't even getting paid anything to live on.

I don't want to badmouth public schools because I know from my own experience that there are some amazing teachers and some amazing public schools out there. But public schools were designed to resemble factories, and not everyone has the mental makeup to work well in a factory setting. There has to be an alternative for those who need a different type of teaching so that they can have a chance to be seen as more than a label of stupid kid, troublemaker, drop out, etc. And I.E.P.s can be very difficult to get so that those kids who need extra help can actually get it through the public school system. There are some private schools that can offer that extra help. There are some private schools that are really terrible. And sometimes home schooling is a really good option. Sometimes it's not. I just can't stand the thought of any child being denied the chance at having a good education because they fall through the cracks of any school system that can't work with them.

Subject User Time
Are you a Homeschooler or Not Lady Brynna Send a private message to Lady Brynna May 31 2011, 1:21pm
    Whats a homeschooler? // macfalk Send a private message to macfalk May 31 2011, 1:51pm
        A Homeschooler is.......... Lady Brynna Send a private message to Lady Brynna May 31 2011, 2:16pm
    Are you a person being schooled at home or... Patty Send a private message to Patty May 31 2011, 1:54pm
        We're not antisocial! Gollum the Great May 31 2011, 3:47pm
            This Post Lady Brynna Send a private message to Lady Brynna May 31 2011, 9:20pm
                I was never homeschooled myself... taekotemple Send a private message to taekotemple Jun 1 2011, 5:45am
        It's one of those things that really depends on... RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass May 31 2011, 5:01pm
        sometimes there a like homeschool 'co-ops' for sports,etc. Magpie Send a private message to Magpie May 31 2011, 6:28pm
        Our neighbors across the street homeschool. Alassėa Eruvande Send a private message to Alassėa Eruvande May 31 2011, 8:03pm
        Not being able to connect with peers has happened to me before and it was because Gimli'sBox Send a private message to Gimli'sBox May 31 2011, 9:48pm
            *Mods up!* Gollum the Great Jun 1 2011, 12:22am
                I like you! Seems like you've got a good head on your shoulders.// Gimli'sBox Send a private message to Gimli'sBox Jun 1 2011, 1:00am
                    Thag you very buch![:)] Gollum the Great Jun 1 2011, 4:56pm
                        Just so long as your head is "on your shoulders" Patty Send a private message to Patty Jun 1 2011, 5:03pm
                            Hang on, let me check in the mirror.... Gollum the Great Jun 1 2011, 5:08pm
                Well... taekotemple Send a private message to taekotemple Jun 1 2011, 5:57am
                    I understand that Kids know there's a difference between Gimli'sBox Send a private message to Gimli'sBox Jun 1 2011, 4:44pm
                        Exactly! A quote, if I may... Gollum the Great Jun 1 2011, 5:07pm
                            I've read that quote before but forgot it. Very fitting. Thanks for sharing! Gimli'sBox Send a private message to Gimli'sBox Jun 1 2011, 5:14pm
                                Mae govannen! Hannon le :) Gollum the Great Jun 1 2011, 7:23pm
                                    Yeah I've seen it...but I only have one sis so, we don't get too many weird looks. Gimli'sBox Send a private message to Gimli'sBox Jun 1 2011, 7:35pm
                                        Wait, serious?! Gollum the Great Jun 1 2011, 8:04pm
                                            Yeah it's awesome! We're really close too so, we totally geek out on each other. Gimli'sBox Send a private message to Gimli'sBox Jun 1 2011, 8:11pm
                                    Love that Video! glorinfidell Send a private message to glorinfidell Jun 7 2011, 3:36pm
                        Well, some of what we are talking about is value, some is fact. taekotemple Send a private message to taekotemple Jun 2 2011, 6:46am
                            I like being able to discuss things without hating each other for it so, Gimli'sBox Send a private message to Gimli'sBox Jun 2 2011, 5:34pm
                                Being gay isn't a choice Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Jun 2 2011, 5:48pm
                                    I'm going to have to disagree. I believe God created each person and he wouldn't Gimli'sBox Send a private message to Gimli'sBox Jun 2 2011, 7:23pm
                                        Well Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Jun 2 2011, 7:33pm
                                            I am no Bible/Hebrew/Greek expert Gollum the Great Jun 2 2011, 8:54pm
                                                Well Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Jun 2 2011, 9:13pm
                                                    If course it's important to be hospitible Gimli'sBox Send a private message to Gimli'sBox Jun 2 2011, 9:35pm
                                                        Lot offered his daughters Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Jun 2 2011, 9:50pm
                                                    But again in judges 19 Gollum the Great Jun 2 2011, 9:35pm
                                                        If nothing else Gollum the Great Jun 2 2011, 9:42pm
                                                            Two things here Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Jun 2 2011, 10:18pm
                                                                What I mean is Gollum the Great Jun 2 2011, 11:02pm
                                                                    I'm not sure I understand Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Jun 2 2011, 11:10pm
                                                                        OK, time-out guys. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jun 3 2011, 12:22am
                                                                            I'm sorry :( Gollum the Great Jun 3 2011, 2:17am
                                            What do you mean by mistranslation?  Gimli'sBox Send a private message to Gimli'sBox Jun 2 2011, 9:25pm
                                                I mean exactly that Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Jun 2 2011, 10:11pm
                                                    ? Gollum the Great Jun 2 2011, 11:01pm
                                                        I don't think so Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Jun 2 2011, 11:24pm
                                        It is also possible Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Jun 2 2011, 11:29pm
                                    Plus if kids were taught to treat everybody with maturity and not pick on anyone Gimli'sBox Send a private message to Gimli'sBox Jun 2 2011, 7:27pm
                                        I have a child who is a tad older than this discussion... GAndyalf Send a private message to GAndyalf Jun 2 2011, 8:04pm
                                            I definitely agree. You shouldn't talk down to kids... Gimli'sBox Send a private message to Gimli'sBox Jun 2 2011, 9:42pm
                                                I understand your point... GAndyalf Send a private message to GAndyalf Jun 2 2011, 10:10pm
                                            It's like what Tolkien said about books for kids: Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Jun 4 2011, 11:16pm
                            *mods way up" // Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Jun 4 2011, 11:10pm
                        My kids were certainly no older than five or six Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Jun 4 2011, 11:06pm
                            I think you handled it very well. Kind of goes along with what GAndalf Gimli'sBox Send a private message to Gimli'sBox Jun 5 2011, 3:31am
                    I think my daughter was about kindergarten age Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Jun 4 2011, 11:02pm
                LOL!!! Wraith Buster Send a private message to Wraith Buster Jun 1 2011, 5:09pm
    YES! Gollum the Great May 31 2011, 3:42pm
    We unschool FantasyFan Send a private message to FantasyFan May 31 2011, 4:39pm
    I missed this earlier, but welcome to TORn, Lady Brynna and Gollum the Great! Patty Send a private message to Patty May 31 2011, 4:52pm
        Glad to join you! Gollum the Great May 31 2011, 7:20pm
    I wanted to homeschool BUT... GAndyalf Send a private message to GAndyalf May 31 2011, 6:03pm
    I was. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode May 31 2011, 7:29pm
    I don't have the patience to home school my kids. // Alassėa Eruvande Send a private message to Alassėa Eruvande May 31 2011, 7:55pm
    Yeah, I was homeschooled Wraith Buster Send a private message to Wraith Buster May 31 2011, 8:22pm
        The one and only thing Wraith Buster Send a private message to Wraith Buster May 31 2011, 8:30pm
            Well, the first word that came to mind was "creative." taekotemple Send a private message to taekotemple Jun 1 2011, 6:01am
            Why would homeschooled people be any different on the LOTR point? SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Jun 1 2011, 9:14am
                Thanks Lady Brynna Send a private message to Lady Brynna Jun 1 2011, 2:29pm
                More like on a broader range Wraith Buster Send a private message to Wraith Buster Jun 1 2011, 4:48pm
    Nope Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 1 2011, 8:00pm
        My mom is supper big on reality. And common sense. And reality. Did I say common sense? Gimli'sBox Send a private message to Gimli'sBox Jun 1 2011, 8:19pm
            Exactly! Gollum the Great Jun 1 2011, 9:09pm
            Well Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 2 2011, 3:24pm
                I mean this from the bottom of my heart, Gollum the Great Jun 2 2011, 5:21pm
                Ah, I see what you're saying now.// Gimli'sBox Send a private message to Gimli'sBox Jun 2 2011, 7:14pm
        Wow, sad :( Gollum the Great Jun 1 2011, 8:23pm
    I work for the Public Schools in my city. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jun 4 2011, 1:45am
        I'm not sure I completely agree with you. taekotemple Send a private message to taekotemple Jun 4 2011, 8:24am
            I can't speak to which is better, but... Patty Send a private message to Patty Jun 4 2011, 3:37pm
                While that's probably true, Oiotįri Send a private message to Oiotįri Jun 5 2011, 12:50am
        What's funny Gollum the Great Jun 4 2011, 4:52pm
            I'm confused Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Jun 4 2011, 5:16pm
                oops umm Gollum the Great Jun 4 2011, 9:48pm
            As a kid who was picked on in school... taekotemple Send a private message to taekotemple Jun 4 2011, 8:13pm
                you're right Gollum the Great Jun 4 2011, 9:52pm
            YES! So true! glorinfidell Send a private message to glorinfidell Jun 7 2011, 4:19pm
        One of the things my dad taught me was the usage of all vs. some. Gimli'sBox Send a private message to Gimli'sBox Jun 5 2011, 4:25am
    My parents decided Oiotįri Send a private message to Oiotįri Jun 4 2011, 3:47am
    Okay, so I'd like to get a few things cleared up.... Gollum the Great Jun 4 2011, 10:13pm
        Here's what socialization means to me. taekotemple Send a private message to taekotemple Jun 4 2011, 11:22pm
            Regardless of your religion, Gollum the Great Jun 5 2011, 1:19am
                Some thoughts about college Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Jun 5 2011, 1:23pm
                    THANK YOU! Gollum the Great Jun 6 2011, 2:00am
            I would like to say however that Gimli'sBox Send a private message to Gimli'sBox Jun 5 2011, 3:43am
                That's right, not one post SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Jun 5 2011, 4:23am
                    I'm confuzzled...could you explain what you mean, please?// Gimli'sBox Send a private message to Gimli'sBox Jun 5 2011, 4:29am
                        I think Wraith Buster Send a private message to Wraith Buster Jun 5 2011, 4:40am
                            Ooooh! We gets it now, doesn't we precious?// Gimli'sBox Send a private message to Gimli'sBox Jun 5 2011, 4:42am
                            That's exactly how I remember it SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Jun 5 2011, 4:14pm
                                Oops I meant Lady Brynna's original premise. // SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Jun 5 2011, 5:02pm
                                ratio in this poll Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Jun 5 2011, 5:03pm
                                    I agree with you, but SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Jun 5 2011, 5:38pm
                                        It doesn't surprise me. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Jun 5 2011, 6:42pm
                                            I don't think you were geeky for loving Ivanhoe! Gollum the Great Jun 5 2011, 8:44pm
                                                I have, but a long time ago. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Jun 5 2011, 10:09pm
                                                    Kindred spirit! Gollum the Great Jun 5 2011, 11:42pm
                                    People tend to respond to polls that "ring a bell" Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jun 5 2011, 11:41pm
                I'm proud of all of us too. Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Jun 5 2011, 1:01pm
                so.... Gollum the Great Jun 5 2011, 9:08pm
                    You could start a new poll on that topic! taekotemple Send a private message to taekotemple Jun 5 2011, 9:38pm
                        that's true Gollum the Great Jun 5 2011, 11:39pm
            *mods waaay up* What an amazing post! Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Jun 5 2011, 1:06pm
                Thanks! taekotemple Send a private message to taekotemple Jun 5 2011, 8:53pm
                    It boggles my mind that people don't pick up books Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Jun 6 2011, 2:42am
        After watching this discussion unfold... Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Jun 5 2011, 6:54pm
            I agree Wraith Buster Send a private message to Wraith Buster Jun 5 2011, 7:04pm
            One famous homeschooler I do know of is Christopher Paolini taekotemple Send a private message to taekotemple Jun 5 2011, 9:01pm
                I also found Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Jun 5 2011, 10:58pm
                    my mom often tells me Gollum the Great Jun 5 2011, 11:38pm
                        My mom tells me that too Wraith Buster Send a private message to Wraith Buster Jun 6 2011, 12:26am
                        Oh yes, Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Jun 6 2011, 2:22am
                    Interesting... taekotemple Send a private message to taekotemple Jun 6 2011, 6:41am
    I might have done it for my kids if I hadn't been the family breadwinner. Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Jun 4 2011, 10:47pm
    I'm homeschooled! // aranelthehobbit22 Send a private message to aranelthehobbit22 Jun 5 2011, 3:36am
        But...do you like Lord of the Rings? dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jun 5 2011, 12:07pm
            naah aranelthehobbit22 Send a private message to aranelthehobbit22 Jun 6 2011, 8:54pm
    You need to widen your circle of acquaintances! Idril Celebrindal Send a private message to Idril Celebrindal Jun 6 2011, 9:15pm
    Homeschooler! glorinfidell Send a private message to glorinfidell Jun 7 2011, 4:15pm
    I was homeschooled Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth Send a private message to Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth Jun 15 2011, 8:59pm

 
 
 

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