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Will Azog and Azanulbizar/Nanduhirion equal a glimpse of The Balrog?

AinurOlorin
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May 21 2011, 1:25am


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Just querious. For over 1,000 years, Moria had but one true Lord and Master: A Dark Power, Valarauko, Demon of Might, Lieutenant in the service of the first and greatest Dark Lord, Durin's Bane, by any other name A Balrog of Morgoth and The Balrog of Moria.

We know that Dain beheld him at the great battle of Azanylbizar/Nanduhirion. Indeed, even as he came to the gate of Moria and slew vile Azog The Goblin, he looked beyond the shadow of the gate and beheld that which haunts the deepest nightmares of all Dwarves.

Grey and the face and full of fear Dain came down from the gate and reported that, despite their absolute victory over the goblin horde, they would not enter Moria, though Thrain desprately desired to do so and felt the time had come to reclaim it. "If this is victory," said the dwarves, "our hands are too small to hold it." And Dain said to Thrain his kinsman, "You are the father of our folk. We have fought and bled for you and will again. But we will not enter Kazhad-Dum. YOU, will not enter Khazad-Dum. Only I have seen beyond the shadow of the gate. Beyond the shadow It waits for you still: Durin's Bane. The World must change, and some other power than that of The Dwarves must come through here before Durin's Folk walk again in Moria."

And so it was. Though at least one ill fated attempt can be listed, until a greater Power, The Great Wizard and veiled Ainu Gandalf came to Khazad-Dum, no dwarven colony could thrive in the abode of The Demon.

All this to say what? That when one thinks of Moria, The Balrog inevitably springs to mind. Indeed, it was he who turned it into Moria. His arising towards the end of the 2nd millennia of The Third Age was the most defining and devestating event to befall the dwarves in that age.

Likely the chief instrument of Sauron's wrath against Durin's Folk (it is suggested that Sauron's malice woke Him, and it is not at all unlikely that these two evil Maiar, with their similar histories, past service, and shared and similar spiritual natures, would be capable of some level of psychic communication with one another), but whether or no, He was the great catastrophe of The Dwarves in The Third Age of this Middle Earth. He slew thier great kings, he destroyed the mightiest and most famed of all their great kingdoms, he sent them (not to mention a number of the Silvan Elves of Lothlorien) fleeing into exile, and denied them any hope of homecoming, as Dain stated so well and clearly after the battle of Azanulbizar/Nanduhirion.

So I cannot help but wonder if Peter will give us a glimpse of him, as Dain has a terrifying glimpse of Him, if he does indeed insert some background of that great battle.

It wouldn't be a matter of spoiling the surprise of him in Fellowship, because in Fellowship he is not a surprise to the audience, having already been explicitly alluded to by Saruman, complete with illustration. It would not be a tease with no resolution. . . it is resolved in Fellowship/The Two Towers. So, what are your bets, odds, and suppositions?

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

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Will Azog and Azanulbizar/Nanduhirion equal a glimpse of The Balrog? AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 21 2011, 1:25am
    Excellent Nocalas Send a private message to Nocalas May 21 2011, 1:45am
    If Peter choses to include Azanulbizar/Nanduhirion Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska May 21 2011, 1:58am
    could they show the balrog getting discovered? lurtz2010 Send a private message to lurtz2010 May 21 2011, 3:06am
        Happens long before AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 21 2011, 5:04am
            Justification JWPlatt May 21 2011, 7:07am
            Glipses of the Balrog only Barrel-Rider Send a private message to Barrel-Rider May 21 2011, 7:47am
        I like that idea! Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme May 21 2011, 8:50pm
    I don't think they'll show him, but possibly allude to him... Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike May 21 2011, 3:18am
    Well this is why I think the whole Azanulbizar road is a dangerous one to tread DrDeath153 Send a private message to DrDeath153 May 21 2011, 10:42am
        I agree. Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike May 21 2011, 10:56am
            As a conditional, IF Azog and Azanulbizar/Nanduhirion THEN a glimpse of Durin's Bane AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 21 2011, 9:48pm
                "Bane of Durin"? squire Send a private message to squire May 21 2011, 10:23pm
                You should send it that bit of narration to Peter... Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike May 21 2011, 10:24pm
                    Why thank you, kind sir. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 21 2011, 10:29pm
            and I agree with you :D KAOS82 Send a private message to KAOS82 May 22 2011, 12:21am

 
 
 

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