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Ethel Duath
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May 9 2011, 1:03am
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Blecchh!!! Can a nice computer person perhaps help me with
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a text character problem I've had on TORn for ages (and now with Firefox 4.1 I'm having it everywhere)? I get little black diamonds with question marks in them instead of certain characters, like letters with tildes, and in copied text from people on these boards where you'd normally see an apostrophe or something. The new Firefox has also disabled my extended copy menu for copying in plain text, and I can't find a new one anywhere.(Grousegrousegrousegrousegrouse . . . )
Does anyone have any tips? What I've found on a couple of tech help boards has to do with character encoding, so I've tried every single "Western" option including the Mac one since that's what I have, and restarted Firefox each time, to no avail.
Does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks in advance!
Ethel the Annoyed 
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Silverlode
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May 9 2011, 1:12am
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The problem has been discussed here before.
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And I think you might find a read through this thread to be helpful, especially this post. It's definitely an encoding issue.
I hope that helps; if not, maybe one of our resident tech wizards can give more pointers. 
Silverlode
"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you." -On Fairy Stories
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Magpie
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May 9 2011, 2:27am
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I started having that problem when I upgraded to Firefox 3
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and have spent many hours trying to fix it. I haven't been able to.
Sometimes, I open the page in IE (I have a FF add on that lets me do that with a right click) and that helps.
The thing that's odd is that the same page can give me problems on one visit but not the next.
Sorry for a totally unhelpful answer.
LOTR soundtrack website
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Ethel Duath
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May 9 2011, 5:11pm
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Thank you :) I tried the recommendations, but it still doesn't work. I even
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downloaded Chrome, which somebody recommended, but it's the same. Hopefully, someone out there knows something . . . 
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Ethel Duath
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May 9 2011, 5:15pm
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Yes, and it seems to be getting worse with the new Firefox. :/
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I wish I hadn't upgraded to 4.1 because the "copy with plain text" and even the IE thing you mentioned won't work with this version. I'm going to keep messing with Chrome and see if I get anywhere. I'll let you know!
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Inferno
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May 9 2011, 7:55pm
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Which encoding set are you using? /
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Good night, tOR.Nados. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely delete you in the morning.
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Elcenia
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Magpie
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May 9 2011, 8:18pm
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I upgraded to FF4 and immediately regretted it because my add-ons wouldn't work. Then I installed Chrome but struggled to find comparable add ons for it, as well. I finally dug around until I could find a version of FF3 I could reinstall and that's what I'm sticking with for awhile, anyhow.
For what it's worth, I regretted upgrading to FF3 because of this character issue and I had a long conversation here with - I think - Inferno about it.
I have looked at various threads on fixing this issue. I have tried all kinds of settings for encoding and fonts and nothing ... N O T H I N G ... works. And as I said earlier, I can visit a site and have the characters not display and then visit the same site later and they are displaying.
It bugs me because it makes it difficult to read and because it is ugly! :-/
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Ethel Duath
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May 9 2011, 10:52pm
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Western (ISO-8859-1). I've got it on Times New Roman for the Serif setting and Arial for Sans-serif.
(Perhaps it's the Serif of Nottingham at work here!  )
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Ethel Duath
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May 9 2011, 10:59pm
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Oh boy. :/ Where'd you get the old Firefox?
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And I wonder how well Firefox responds to direct complaints/suggestions? This is so very odd.
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Inferno
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May 9 2011, 11:06pm
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I haven't made the switch to FF 4 yet
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So I can't offer some specific options, other than suggesting trying some of the other character encodings and see what results you get. UTF-16, for instance, may work. If not, see if any of the others do.
When I upgrade, if you're still having trouble, I'll poke around a bit and see if I can figure it out. A reasonably quick google search showed that you weren't the only one having this problem, so there may be a patch soon as well.
Inferno.
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Good night, tOR.Nados. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely delete you in the morning.
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Elcenia
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Ethel Duath
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May 9 2011, 11:42pm
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Well, it seemed to work at first, and one problem page
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on the boards was fixed, but when I signed out and came back on, the boards displayed normally, but when I clicked on any post I got a white page with Chinese characters from top to bottom on it! I rechecked the code setting and it still said "UTF-16"! (Saruman at work . . .)
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Magpie
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May 10 2011, 1:22am
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I'm not sure I could track it down now except to re-google it. I probably could dig the exe file out of my trash.
I did leave a message on some forum... I think it was Firefox's but I can't remember now. The problem is... there are lots of suggestions for fixing it... but none of them work for me.
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Ethel Duath
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May 10 2011, 3:11am
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Don't worry--I'll find it (I thought maybe
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you found a "secret location"!)
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Altaira
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May 10 2011, 3:24am
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Firefox is so much faster, and better in so many other ways for me, that I don't even see the little diamonds any longer (well, almost  )..
Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.
"Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower
"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase
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Inferno
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May 10 2011, 5:25pm
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while waiting for an install to finish. Try doing the following.
1) Set your encoding back to Western (ISO-8859-1)
2) Disable Hardware Acceleration. (Instructions here: http://www.trishtech.com/internet/disable_hardware_acceleration_in_firefox_4.php )
3) Restart Firefox
Let me know if that fixes it. I'm kind of curious now. =)
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Elcenia
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Ethel Duath
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May 10 2011, 5:55pm
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Ha! Well it does seem to work on that one post that
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I keep testing. Thank you very much! Now I've got to track down some other posts to be sure (that Spanish Lesson website still has 'em though--the wierd diamonds ). Maybe Magpie has some good examples from the reading room or something? I've tried to look, but I can't remember the exact location of the problem ones (and if they're fixed I may never know--but that would be fine!)
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ElanorTX
Tol Eressea
May 11 2011, 4:48am
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I've never had that problem with Firefox 3, but maybe
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I won't install 4 just yet. I never use IE for anything and in fact avoid MS as much as possible (well, my OS is Vista).
"I shall not wholly fail if anything can still grow fair in days to come."
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