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Should UK stay as a monarchy?
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Poll: Should UK stay as a monarchy?
Yes
No
View Results (26 votes)
 

macfalk
Valinor


Apr 30 2011, 6:58pm

Post #26 of 46 (290 views)
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Agreed with Gandyalf: [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't think this poll was any odd because as Gandy said, US politics is discussed worldwide, and people are comparing with every country and has done so for ages. Secondly, I am from Sweden which means this question is relevant also for me, since we're a monarchy too.


macfalk
Valinor


May 1 2011, 3:27pm

Post #27 of 46 (176 views)
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Tax burden is low in UK if you ask me // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


taekotemple
Grey Havens


May 1 2011, 9:19pm

Post #28 of 46 (194 views)
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I think one thing to consider is... [In reply to] Can't Post

Depending upon the kind of charity work the royal in question does, the tax burden may actually even out. Look at all the work Princess Diana did to bring attention to many important social and health issues in her short lifetime. Many of those organizations she supported got free advertising through her and her standing as a member of the royal family, which means that in a way, there's a trickle down effect of her work to those who were in need. It seems Prince William takes after his mother in many ways, when it comes to being active in social issues.

I suppose it really depends upon how great a sense of social responsibility any member of the royal family has, but it's not like people haven't benefitted from the work of some in the royal family.

That said, I'm not sure either way, whether I think Great Britain should keep or remove the royals. While they don't serve the political function they used to, which makes them somewhat obsolete, they can serve a socio-political function, which can be very valuable.


GAndyalf
Valinor

May 2 2011, 12:19am

Post #29 of 46 (202 views)
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According to the U.S. Census statistics... [In reply to] Can't Post

The U.K.'s tax burden is exactly the same as Sweden's:

http://www.census.gov/...1/tables/11s1361.pdf (Table 1361, 2nd one on the page)

Belgium edges out Germany for the highest tax rate, both above 41%, with Denmark in 3rd at 39.4%

The lowest on the list are Mexico at 5.3%, followed by South Korea at 11.8% and Middle-earth at 18.4%.

Curious, that last, eh?


macfalk
Valinor


May 2 2011, 5:49am

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I wonder what The Shire's tax burden is. [In reply to] Can't Post

Is the mayor of Michel Delving greedy? That is the question!


GAndyalf
Valinor

May 2 2011, 12:26pm

Post #31 of 46 (200 views)
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Almost nil... [In reply to] Can't Post

The mayor gets no salary from the position at all as it's purely ceremonial as Tolkien states. What tax burden there is in the Shire is due the landowners but as they pay no tax to the Thain the burden is quite light. At a guess I'd say no higher than 5% or so.


Patty
Immortal


May 2 2011, 7:59pm

Post #32 of 46 (191 views)
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But how do the shirrifs salaries get paid? [In reply to] Can't Post

If there is no tax fund, who pays the firemen to put out fires caused by too many candles on birthday cakes? Inquiring minds want to know.


GAndyalf
Valinor

May 2 2011, 8:09pm

Post #33 of 46 (227 views)
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According to Tolkien... [In reply to] Can't Post

the post, (which the mayor is head of as well) is volunteer. He does not specifically state about the bounders and shirriffs though I expect that also to be part of the tax burden but still a VERY small cost as there never were many shirriffs to begin with. And they may have been volunteer as well since they did far less than the Post! I expect however it shook out that the taxes were quite low as the services were very low and it did not seem that even the wealthiest taxed very highly as the opulance was relatively small.


ElanorTX
Grey Havens


May 3 2011, 11:42pm

Post #34 of 46 (170 views)
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But listen, [In reply to] Can't Post

strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.




GAndyalf
Valinor

May 4 2011, 2:20am

Post #35 of 46 (150 views)
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What about pointed sticks?// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


taekotemple
Grey Havens


May 4 2011, 4:34am

Post #36 of 46 (155 views)
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I think you just quoted my favorite part of that movie!// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


May 4 2011, 4:37am

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Try pulling them out of the yarn loops, and see what happens. ;) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


GAndyalf
Valinor

May 4 2011, 4:46am

Post #38 of 46 (167 views)
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Ummm, your siggie-pic?// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Patty
Immortal


May 4 2011, 8:43am

Post #39 of 46 (147 views)
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Eowyn, from one knitter to another... [In reply to] Can't Post

you crack me up.


dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


May 4 2011, 10:00am

Post #40 of 46 (141 views)
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Yep, that's what happens! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Patty
Immortal


May 4 2011, 10:06am

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What would interest me is how many of the "no's" are British./ [In reply to] Can't Post

 


GAndyalf
Valinor

May 4 2011, 1:37pm

Post #42 of 46 (128 views)
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She's got ME in knots! ;) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


RosieLass
Valinor


May 4 2011, 3:58pm

Post #43 of 46 (138 views)
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Exactly. [In reply to] Can't Post

It's not really our place, as non-British, to say what they should do with their monarchy.


macfalk
Valinor


May 4 2011, 5:02pm

Post #44 of 46 (150 views)
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So the crowning of Aragorn was a "farcical aquatic ceremony" // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Marionette
Rohan


May 6 2011, 5:07pm

Post #45 of 46 (163 views)
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I didnīt vote but... [In reply to] Can't Post

I donīt have any problem with Monarchy.

I have never been in a country with Monarchy, so thatīs why I didnīt vote, I canīt vote about something I donīt know, but really, I have seen critics and canīt find reasons for hating Monarchy especially these days.

As a symbol, I truly appreciate it.


Idril Celebrindal
Tol Eressea


May 10 2011, 9:14pm

Post #46 of 46 (123 views)
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Why not? [In reply to] Can't Post

Royal weddings are awesome. The pomp, ceremony and tradition are the good part of having a monarchy!

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