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Just how much was Smaug worth? (And did he have life insurance?)

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Apr 6 2011, 5:55pm

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Just how much was Smaug worth? (And did he have life insurance?) Can't Post

Helmets off to Michael Noer at Forbes. He has written a tremendously funny and intelligent piece for Forbes as part of its "Fictional 15" look at fictionally rich characters, including everybody's favorite worm of Middle-earth. He walks us through Smaug's net worth:


We know from the novel that Smaug’s wealth comes down to three primary components, the mound of silver and gold that he sleeps on, the diamonds and other precious gemstones encrusted in his underbelly, and the “Arkenstone of Thrain,” which is depicted as something like the Hope Diamond on steroids.


Smaug The Unassessably Wealthy and 14 other fictional characters can be found here whiile the bit focusing on Tolkien's creation can be found right here. Can two films based on J.R.R. Tolkien's "The Hobbit" (featuring Smaug) earn a sum equal to a dragon's hoard? Enjoy and discuss!


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Apr 6 2011, 11:50pm

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To say nothing of [In reply to] Can't Post

the real estate he held dominion over for all those years.

Forbes? Who would have thunk it. This thing is bigger than we thought. Thanks NFB!


MrCere
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Apr 6 2011, 11:52pm

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Excellent point [In reply to] Can't Post

I think his real estate holding make the sum much, much larger. I seriously, honestly think you should write Forbes. Good entertainment.

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Apr 7 2011, 12:15am

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Superb. [In reply to] Can't Post

See? Even finance can be fun. :D

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SirDennisC
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Apr 7 2011, 12:16am

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I don't mind being that guy here [In reply to] Can't Post

but out in the real world? Ha!


glorinfidell
Bree


Apr 7 2011, 1:17am

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Intresting. [In reply to] Can't Post

I wonder what other people in Middle Earth are woth. For example, when Gandalf says Bilbo's Mithrel coat is worth more then the Shire, how much is the Shire worth? And Bard's black arrow. Just a simple arrow, but as a collecter's item... collecters might pay ton's for the famous arrow that killed Smaug. Or it could go in as museum! Wink


Eruonen
Tol Eressea


Apr 7 2011, 3:12pm

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Wow, very good, though I take issue with Smaug's size. [In reply to] Can't Post

Smaug is far bigger than 64' from head to tail.....

P.S. no life insurance...he would have eaten any agent who approached, he has no dependents..no beneficiaries other than his estate, and I pity the tax man who tries to settle up (while Smaug is living) after he is dead it is a free for all.


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Gimilkhad
The Shire

Apr 7 2011, 3:40pm

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Tolkiens illustration [In reply to] Can't Post

Of Smaug and his horde would seem to indicate his sums are an underestimate.

http://dassler.stlouisblogs.org/...s/Smaug-Tolkien2.jpg

Looks larger than the dimensions he estimates to me.

I also think his 30% estimate of the amount of 'space' in a horde is too large.


RosieLass
Valinor


Apr 7 2011, 3:44pm

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LOL at the "Fast Facts"! [In reply to] Can't Post

And also, Source: Marauding. Laugh



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Otaku-sempai
Half-elven

Apr 7 2011, 5:03pm

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Smaug's size [In reply to] Can't Post

This is a conservative estimage, after all. And I don't think that many folks would argue agaist the point that the typical red dragon of AD&D is essentially based on Smaug.


Eruonen
Tol Eressea


Apr 7 2011, 5:51pm

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Another question, who would have insured Lake Town? [In reply to] Can't Post

Potential destruction from dragon would have been quite an actuarial challenge. However, if said dragon had not disturbed Lake Town for years, one could price the property insurance.

I think the King of Gondor and the unified realm would have immense wealth as well....assuming he has a share in the value as per royal rights.

The dwarfs may have had even more wealth than Smaug.


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven

Apr 7 2011, 6:12pm

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More on Smaug's size... [In reply to] Can't Post


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Smaug is far bigger than 64' from head to tail.....

Agreed. I'm not up on the latest edition of Dungeons & Dragons, but going by AD&D Second Edition, a mature adult (very conservative estimate of Smaug's age) Red Dragon ought to measure between 99 and 118 feet long--say 108 feet.


Eruonen
Tol Eressea


Apr 7 2011, 6:31pm

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Here is a great chart from another mythology...Pern [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.google.com/...&ved=0CDYQ9QEwAw

I think, Smaug would have been in the 2nd or 3rd dragon size.

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Flagg
Tol Eressea


Apr 7 2011, 6:41pm

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They made one potentially serious error. [In reply to] Can't Post

They didn't even consider the possibility that the Arkenstone is Maedhros's Silmaril an idea of which I am a staunch advocate. Evil The Silmarils are beyond price, so this would bump Smaug's wealth up to approximately infinity.


Owain
Tol Eressea


Apr 7 2011, 6:46pm

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Aflac!!!/ [In reply to] Can't Post

Laugh

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SirDennisC
Half-elven


Apr 7 2011, 6:50pm

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Wow [In reply to] Can't Post

I never noticed how Wyrm-like Smaug looks.


Eruonen
Tol Eressea


Apr 7 2011, 8:54pm

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if Bilbo is around 3' the illustration shows Smaug only about 45' [In reply to] Can't Post

from head to tail...however...his description and power suggest a far larger dragon. JRRT gave a general illustration but I thing he drew Smaug too small.


RosieLass
Valinor


Apr 7 2011, 8:59pm

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Or GEICO? [In reply to] Can't Post

They do use a lizard in their advertising, after all. Sly



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Flagg
Tol Eressea


Apr 7 2011, 9:03pm

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Smaug alights like a water-bird... // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Owain
Tol Eressea


Apr 7 2011, 9:03pm

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Haha! Good one. [In reply to] Can't Post

Smile

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RosieLass
Valinor


Apr 7 2011, 9:13pm

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I also wondered how much difference it would make... [In reply to] Can't Post

...to factor in dwarf remains instead of the human remains as displacing some of the area taken up by the treasure.

In any case, anyone who can use the word "smush" in a scholarly financial analysis is all right by me! Laugh



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jrpipik
Rivendell


Apr 7 2011, 9:52pm

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The Clampetts? [In reply to] Can't Post

There's always one head-scratcher in the Fiction 500. How much oil is left in the Black Mountains that the Clampetts are still so rich?


Eruonen
Tol Eressea


Apr 8 2011, 4:57am

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Well, the Clampetts were from the SW Missouri Ozarks area and their [In reply to] Can't Post

holdings would have eventually exploited unconventional resources as the easy oil was limited.

http://www.dnr.mo.gov/geology/geosrv/ogc/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beverly_Hillbillies


(This post was edited by Eruonen on Apr 8 2011, 4:58am)


Laitholiel_the_SeaElf
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Apr 9 2011, 1:40am

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Scrooge McDuck is still my hero. [In reply to] Can't Post

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