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Patty
Immortal


Jul 12 2007, 10:23pm

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Don't miss this from the front page, Jackson fans... Can't Post

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07102007/entertainment/movies/film_big_lays_it_on_the_new_line_movies_lou_lumenick.htm

although I first read this on the HomeTheaterForum.

Is there hope?

Riding with the Rohirrim!


Voorhas
Lorien


Jul 12 2007, 10:32pm

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I Had No Idea... [In reply to] Can't Post

...that Mr. Shaye was 68.

New Line haven't had much success of late, have they? They were banking on the Jim Carrey vehicle The Number 23 to be a success...and, of course, The Last Mimzy. The Golden Compass has its own built-in audience--and it could be a great film--but I can't picture it turning into a big crossover hit like LOTR proved to be.


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JRandomRohirrim
Rohan


Jul 12 2007, 10:39pm

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I think money talks... [In reply to] Can't Post

Maybe the pre-release audience feedback on Hairspray (New Line's big summer movie) hasn't
been very good?

Maybe Shaye knows they need a successful Hobbit in the pipeline (even if the movies can't come out until 2009 or 2010)?

Maybe Shaye knows he overreacted over the last couple of years about Jackson?

I hope they do start to talk - I'd really like to see Little Children and Hairspray, and, of course, The Golden Compass (which looks phenomenal). But I'm sticking to my guns and haven't spent a dime on any New Line movies since November.

Boycott New Line!
http://www.boycottnewline.com


Patty
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Jul 12 2007, 10:51pm

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I had no idea [In reply to] Can't Post

that he was a lawyer.

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N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Jul 12 2007, 10:53pm

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Nice avatar. [In reply to] Can't Post

Which you've probably had for months, since registering on the new boards (I'm slow to catch these things). Did you ever notice how that art was parodied on the cover of Bored of the Rings?

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grammaboodawg
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Jul 12 2007, 11:10pm

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I've always had hope [In reply to] Can't Post

even for NL to be a part of Peter Jackson's adaptation of The Hobbit and its sequel... but I have to admit Mr. Shaye has Shattered any faith I had in him. He's scrambling here. "I don't like to have issues with anybody. Any issues with Mr. Jackson, I would prefer to have them closed, rather than open." Well, duh... he's the one that SLAMMED the door shut on Mr. Jackson and Wingnut... which I thought was pretty "closed", on his part.

The faith I have is in Peter and his people continuing to be very savvy and professional on how they're approaching the whole thing. There are other people in New Line besides Shaye (who is on his way out next year, IIRC and scrambling for redemption/marketability?), and I'm sure they aren't in agreement with how Shaye's behaved. Funny how Shaye's tune May be changing now that Mr. Spielberg has joined up with Peter on some projects and that MGM is behind him.

The Hobbit will be made by Jackson. It's just a mater of time (2009, I hope!)

Thanks for this, Patty. It's interesting and very comforting to know things are still going on behind the scenes (not surprisingly ;)


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Voorhas
Lorien


Jul 12 2007, 11:11pm

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Thanks... [In reply to] Can't Post

...and nope, I didn't know the old Ace illustrations were used (sort of) on the Bored of the Rings cover...but I'm glad they got a little nod.

They're sort of ridiculous, of course, but I have a soft spot for old-timey paperback art from that period.

"They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night." -- E.A. Poe

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grammaboodawg
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Jul 12 2007, 11:13pm

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No one on the film [In reply to] Can't Post

project for LotR anticipated the cross-over audience, imho. They originally targeted it for young men 12-30, IIRC. SURPRISE!!!! Females kinda liked it, too ;)


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Patty
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Jul 12 2007, 11:21pm

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Gramma, I can't believe you've arrived at Tol Eressa already! [In reply to] Can't Post

Love ya, honey!

But you know, I think it would restore a lot of the good will surrounding this movie if New Line (Shaye) would publicly put a face on this scene that shows that it's the FANS who matter, and let us all get back to our celebrations together with them as before. They were a big part of the enjoyment of these films, and New Line's actions have tarnished the glow of the whole experience.

Riding with the Rohirrim!

(This post was edited by Patty on Jul 12 2007, 11:27pm)


SandWitch King
Rohan


Jul 12 2007, 11:24pm

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"Built-in audience" [In reply to] Can't Post

This is always good of course but I often wonder if it is way over-rated. LOTR & Potter had legitimate built in audiences but beyond that . . . I just don't know if many things are loved by enough people to have the built-in audience matter. Mostly I think main stream pop-culture makes movies popular, not audiences transfered from another medium.

Of course Hollywood thinks otherwise since they base seemingly everything on built-in audiences and marketing.

I need a government grant so I can study "built-in" audiences and box office success. Wink

No wonder all writers want to direct: one still has to put up with a load of nonsense, but even if wearing two hats (writer and director), there is one under which one is not called a thief and then raped - David Mamet


Patty
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Jul 12 2007, 11:31pm

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Well, certainly movies that are heavily front-loaded [In reply to] Can't Post

because they have a built in audience (read in this from books or from good hype) make a lot of money to begin with. It's the movie itself that determines "legs", which extend from word of mouth. I think the 3rd Pirates is a case in point. I really expected it to do better than the 2nd, because the domino effect from one, and to a certain extent the 2nd film set in. But word got out that the plot was "iffy", and it's not paying off as hoped.

I'll give you the grant, MrCere! If you can roll all these pennies I've saved.Heart

Riding with the Rohirrim!

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Aerlinn
Lorien


Jul 12 2007, 11:36pm

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Holy mackerel! [In reply to] Can't Post

We're not worthy, gramma!



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~~~~ Persian Proverb

"She who wants a Captain must respect the horn."
~~~B-Girl Proverb

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Patty
Immortal


Jul 12 2007, 11:45pm

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I'll be stuck in Numeor forever... [In reply to] Can't Post

oh wait. There is no Numenor.

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Patty
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Jul 12 2007, 11:51pm

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What I've always wondered about... [In reply to] Can't Post

is whether New Line anticipated academy awards when this was filming. Wasn't RotK their first "Best Picture?"

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Patty
Immortal


Jul 12 2007, 11:57pm

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If Shaye is on his way out next year... [In reply to] Can't Post

he could do no worse than go out with a bang and make greenlighting Jackson's "The Hobbit" his retirement move. His time at New Line would be remembered for ending with a real winner.

Riding with the Rohirrim!


kareniel
Lorien

Jul 13 2007, 12:37am

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There is always hope. [In reply to] Can't Post

Aragorn said so.


Patty
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Jul 13 2007, 12:51am

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;o) [In reply to] Can't Post

yes, that IS right.

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diedye
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Jul 13 2007, 1:11am

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But when you think about it... [In reply to] Can't Post

... it does explain a lot.

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weaver
Half-elven

Jul 13 2007, 2:01am

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hey, I might be able to help! [In reply to] Can't Post

I write a lot of grants...Haven't seen one that will fund that kind of thing...but you never know.

You'd have to apply under your real name, though, as I don't think SandWitch King fits any of the typical funding categories...Wink

Weaver



PrincessWhat
Bree


Jul 13 2007, 4:26am

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Good thread! [In reply to] Can't Post

Very informative. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see Jackson do the Hobbit


grammaboodawg
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Jul 13 2007, 9:02am

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;) [In reply to] Can't Post

I absolutely agree!!! I want New Line in the fold again... and assurance that Shore is ready and eager to go... I want our ENTIRE filmic family to work their magic once again.

I've been SO frustrated with Shaye's attitude since it was his intuitive faith in Peter and his movies that gave us all of this. I guess it's like having a parent turn on a child... it boggles my mind.


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Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


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grammaboodawg
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Jul 13 2007, 9:06am

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I'll bet the knew [In reply to] Can't Post

the films were a definite contender for Oscars as they were filming and saw rushes/dailies... but from what Elijah and the others said, they were so isolated during the filming that they really didn't anticipate how powerfully the films would perform. JRD and Christopher Lee were very vocal from the beginning of how historical and successful these would be.


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Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


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grammaboodawg
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Jul 13 2007, 9:07am

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*high five* I Agree!! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


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fmaximus
Rivendell


Jul 13 2007, 1:17pm

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New Line... [In reply to] Can't Post

will have to do a lot more than just barely sugest that PJ could still be involved.

Nothing less than a public appology to PJ and the fans will suffice after the stunts they have pulled in the last while.
And after the appology they will have major a$$-kissing to do.

Untill that happens, they will never get my money...


(This post was edited by fmaximus on Jul 13 2007, 1:18pm)


Aerlinn
Lorien


Jul 13 2007, 1:30pm

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It's starting to get to the point [In reply to] Can't Post

where (if I thought boycotts were at all productive) I'd be tempted to boycott The Hobbit. It's beginning to feel like they're yanking us around... "I hate PJ!/ Well, no, I don't hate PJ./ Yes I do!/ No, I don't./ I will never work with him again!/ I'd love to work things out."

If I were of a suspicious nature and mistrusted people I would be a little suspicious that these people - or this person - were just trying to keep this whole thing in the news.

Oh, wait - I *am* of a suspicious nature.



Aerlinn's Law #17: "He who wants a rose must respect the thorn."
~~~~ Persian Proverb

"She who wants a Captain must respect the horn."
~~~B-Girl Proverb

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