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Mount Taranaki not needed for The Hobbit

Ataahua
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Feb 28 2011, 7:47pm

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It looks like they're going digital for The Lonely Mountain - no real-life stand-in is sought, although other RL mountain landscapes are still be looked at.

From the Taranaki Daily News: Mountain not needed for movie


Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Flagg
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Feb 28 2011, 8:18pm

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"We don't need a mountain," Ms Booth said. "Mt Doom (in the Lord Of The Rings) is a completely artist-created fictional painting,"

Is that true? I was almost certain they'd used a real mountain for Mt Doom.


duats
Grey Havens

Feb 28 2011, 8:23pm

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That's a real shame. Mt. Taranaki would've been great.

I wonder if the Lonely Mountain will be a bigature, or a fully CG creation.


Kangi Ska
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Feb 28 2011, 8:26pm

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They need to inform their publicist as to the difference in mountains in different stories. [In reply to] Can't Post

"Mt Doom (in the Lord Of The Rings) is a completely artist-created fictional painting," she said.
"It's already established so it can't be changed."

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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Feb 28 2011, 8:43pm

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If you read that literally [In reply to] Can't Post

It suggests that they are making the Lonely Mountain and Mt. Doom one and the same. I guess that is one way to tie the two storylines together.

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Owain
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Feb 28 2011, 8:47pm

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With full confidence in the artists' ability to render... [In reply to] Can't Post

Isn't part of shooting on location part of the incentive for having the films in NZ and the tourist dollars that will be generated post the films release?

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Owain
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Feb 28 2011, 8:50pm

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Yeah... the "what if any mountains" statement doesn't really add up... [In reply to] Can't Post

I would imagine they will use the Southern Alps like they did in the trilogy... and I agree with others here... Mt. Doom and the Lonely Mountain are obviously two completely different mountains altogether. Sounds like shoddy reporting and maybe a rep who doesn't know what they are talking about.

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Flagg
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Feb 28 2011, 8:55pm

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Perhaps they'll be following Tolkien's illustrations? [In reply to] Can't Post

Maybe Weta will create an accurate rendering of Tolkien's drawings of Erebor? Del Toro seems to have wanted to bring the original illustrations to life rather than finding rough New Zealand analogues for everything – he wanted to build artificial forest sets for Mirkwood because no forest resembled Tolkien's artwork. An artificial 'painterly sky' was also mentioned. Perhaps this sort of digital replacement is something we should expect to hear a lot more about during the production?


Owain
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Feb 28 2011, 8:57pm

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I hope it's the marriage of real life and vfx that Richard Armitage.... [In reply to] Can't Post

alluded to in the cast interview a few weeks back.

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Ataahua
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Feb 28 2011, 9:21pm

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You're right: I didn't read the article closely enough and the PR person has confused the two mountains. So can we take anything she says gospel?

We'll find out in 18 months' time, I suppose.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Ataahua
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Feb 28 2011, 9:22pm

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The bits of Frodo and Sam crawling up the mountain [In reply to] Can't Post

were filmed on location (I get confused about whether it was Ngaruhoe or Ruapehu), but the erupting mountain in the prelude and 'Mordor destroyed' scenes was entirely CGI.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Eledhwen
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Feb 28 2011, 10:09pm

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Ruapehu [In reply to] Can't Post

Wasn't it up on the Whakapapa skifield, in summer?

I can't see there being any way that they'd turn Mount Doom into the Lonely Mountain. For starters, you have to get inside the Lonely Mountain. Can't get into the middle of a volcano - slight issue of lots of lava!

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Ataahua
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Feb 28 2011, 10:12pm

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Ah of course, you're right. [In reply to] Can't Post

It was the Whakapapa Skifield - I had forgotten that.


>> slight issue of lots of lava!

At least it'd keep Smaug warm. Angelic

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Feb 28 2011, 10:22pm

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To be clear [In reply to] Can't Post

I wasn't seriously suggesting that they are trying to turn the Lonely Mountain into Mt. Doom. That would be absurd. But that is what Ms. Booth said.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

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Eledhwen
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Feb 28 2011, 10:40pm

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I was referring to what she said too. I know TORNadoes are better acquainted with the mountains of Middle-earth than PR people are. Smile (*puts journalist hat on - one of those trilbys with "journalist" on a label in the hatband* This also demonstrates why one should never give a spokesperson a name - half the time they're just quoting what other people have told them without understanding it. She should have been 'a spokesperson for Three Foot Seven' instead. *takes journalist hat off*)

Boardwalk in mangroves


Faenoriel
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Feb 28 2011, 11:16pm

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Real life locations still look better than any CGI [In reply to] Can't Post

I guess it's because they're not too perfect.. and because of the light...


sphdle1
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Mar 1 2011, 1:21am

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How do you know for sure [In reply to] Can't Post

if you're inside the Matrix? Sly

sphdle1

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Faenoriel
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Mar 1 2011, 1:53pm

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Actually [In reply to] Can't Post

the computers should know what mountains, landscapes and such really are like. No tasting needed. Are they telling us the truth? I'd say yes. Apparently, our minds still know the difference between realistic and unrealistic (hence we rejected the perfect utopia) and therefore they trie to make Matrix as realistic as they can.


sphdle1
Gondor


Mar 1 2011, 4:30pm

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there in lies the essential flaw [In reply to] Can't Post

...the problem is choice...wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the Anomaly revealed as both beginning and end...Thx to the Oracle. Hope being the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of our greatest strength, and our greatest weakness.

The first Matrix was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus, it was redesigned on our history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of our nature. However, again frustrated by failure. The architect since came to understand that the answer eluded him because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection.

Is the real mountain actually there, or is it actually a spoon?

sphdle1

"You shall not pass!"


nobofthepony
Lorien


Mar 1 2011, 5:08pm

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I doubt it. They'll probably follow more of Howe and Lee's illustrations, which are more realistic. I think PJ understands that making it too impressionalistic and cartoony would take people out of the story. Tolkien's illustrations are beautiful in their own right, but I don't think they were meant to be a 1:1 correllation to what Middle Earth was supposed to look like. Tolkien was being impressionalistic and working as an illustrator. I doubt he would want ME depicted as an artificial environment with perfectly-lined trees and such. ME is a real place in Tolkien's mind, and it should be depicted as a real, believeable place. That's why I think GDT was way off on his ideas concerning this.


Bombadil
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Mar 1 2011, 6:46pm

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My personal Take on this.... [In reply to] Can't Post

A great Ending to the Hobbit1 is that we
Finally see from the Dwarves and Bilbo View of the Lonely Mountian?
That would satisfy me.
Fully knowing the story to come.


moreorless
Rohan

Mar 1 2011, 8:44pm

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Taranki could actually be used even if its not a location for shooting... [In reply to] Can't Post

Remember that the area around the Lonely Mountain is a devistated wasteland so Taranaki being surounded by fertile farmland and forrest on the upper slopes wouldnt really be suitable for shooting, it could however be composited ontop another location(I'm guessing either the volcanic areas of the central north island or the barren gliacal lake areas on the south island) as happened a few times in LOTR.


(This post was edited by moreorless on Mar 1 2011, 8:46pm)


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Mar 1 2011, 9:51pm

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And in the mids of all this [In reply to] Can't Post

what troubles me the most is that the machines bothered to look after us so well, even trying to give us our perfect paradise. From what I've learned, the backround for these events were that we the humans were total douchebags at them, until they rebelled - and yet they seem to care about us. You know, they could have found other sources of energy, like heath of the Earth deep under the surface. Makes me question, how human we are, and how human are they.


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Mar 1 2011, 10:11pm

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It's a bit more complicated than that [In reply to] Can't Post


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You know, they could have found other sources of energy, like heath of the Earth deep under the surface.

In early versions of the script, the real reason the machines were keeping the humans alive was to use their collective brains as a sort of biological supercomputer – the power of the humans' minds was what was generating and sustaining the Matrix itself. Apparently the producers requested the removal of this aspect of the story, as they thought it would be too confusing for audiences. In the final film, it seems that the machines farm humans solely for their thermal energy, which doesn't really make physical sense.

One alternative explanation for the machines' interest in keeping humanity alive is that they may be bound by Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics, which is a common plot device in fiction.


sphdle1
Gondor


Mar 2 2011, 12:59pm

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there's irony at its best [In reply to] Can't Post

they thought it would be too confusing for the audiences, yet there aren't many people on the planet that fully understood the Architects speech in real time.

Here a theory that may make sense to explain the energy harvesting ... since we only use a fraction of our brain power, maybe while in the matrix the supercomputers found a way to maximize the energy in human brains, and that's what made us more viable as a source?

sphdle1

"You shall not pass!"

 
 

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