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Altaira
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Feb 11 2011, 5:02am

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The Hobbit media press conference - full version (video) and direct link - by duats [In reply to] Can't Post

Here is the full press conference:

http://www.3news.co.nz/.../198020/Default.aspx

and the direct link:

If anyone's having issues with the above link, here's the direct link:

http://flash.mediaworks.co.nz/...sser_110211_330K.mp4



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SirDennisC
Half-elven


Feb 11 2011, 5:08am

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Stott and Armitage [In reply to] Can't Post

seem an inspired bit of casting as Balin and Thorin.

Loved Freeman's quip about calling PJ Sir Peter, "he's such a monarchist." ha! His clear ennunciation interspersed with muttered asides reminds me quite alot of Holm's Bilbo already.

My take on Kazinsky is "LOTR fan lands dream job."

Thanks for the repost!


Magpie
Immortal


Feb 11 2011, 5:12am

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fun... but I can't hear any of the questions. [In reply to] Can't Post

it would be great to have a written transcript.


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titanium_hobbit
Rohan


Feb 11 2011, 5:17am

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Beard versus clean-shaven Idea: latex allergies [In reply to] Can't Post

So, first of all Bilbo doesn't have a beard. No worries on shaven-ness, MF!

What about the mix of beard/non-beard in the dwarvish crew?

Perhaps they are wearing them to get into character, like Viggo lugged around the sword for ages, repaired his own costume etc.

However wouldn't they all be doing that then?

I don't think these are just fashion statements, I think those with allergies to beard glue might be growing beards so that they can get "beard extensions" (hair extensions) easily on, the others will have theirs prosthetically attached like JRD- Gimli.

Just a thought.

(big fan of beards btw- these are great!)

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Silverlode
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Feb 11 2011, 5:21am

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It could also be.... [In reply to] Can't Post

that the wardrobe/makeup departments want to know what their natural beards look like so that they can make authentic-looking fake ones for filming. I doubt that they'll be wearing their own beards for the same reason they won't be wearing their own hair: continuity in makeup and hairdressing is much much easier with wigs and false beards that can be taken off and tended to elsewhere. Also, fake hair doesn't grow, so haircuts don't create an issue.

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
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Owain
Tol Eressea


Feb 11 2011, 5:34am

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I was not disappointed in the least by this conference... [In reply to] Can't Post

If anything, it has affirmed my faith in these films and the casting selection. Seeing them altogether, their collective wit and intelligence, and what seemed sincere humility with tempered excitement... we are in for the experience that we have all been waiting for.

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duats
Grey Havens

Feb 11 2011, 5:41am

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Thanks for reposting, Altaira [In reply to] Can't Post

Like I said in the other thread, I am loving the vibe I am getting from this group.

They each have their own distinctive look, voice, personality. And they also have their own unique quirks and sense of humor. But most important, they all share a great collaborative energy. It's fantastic to finally see them all interacting together.

As far as Armitage/Thorin is concerned, I admit that I am still skeptical. Considering Thorin is the oldest dwarf in the company, I find it odd that PJ cast an actor who is the fourth youngest in the group of dwarf actors. I'm sincerely hoping that PJ did not purposefully change the character's age. Not only because it's a completely unnecessary change, but also because it takes something away from the chararacter.

It may just be me, but making Thorin substantially younger doesn't have the same impact as seeing an aged dwarf who spent most of his life living in bitter exile - but forever holding onto the desperate hope of reclaiming what is rightfully his.

But in this press conference, Armitage demonstrates a deep and authoritative voice - which is ideal for Thorin. I am hopeful that this voice (in combination with the prosthetics, wig, and beard) will make Armitage seem much older than he really is.

Overall, this press conference was extremely comforting.


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SirDennisC
Half-elven


Feb 11 2011, 6:05am

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Prosthetics may not play [In reply to] Can't Post

as big a role as they did in the creation of Gimli. I can see how this group could look like dwarfs with just a bit of hair and makeup. Not to mention RA's nose is majestic as is... As for him not looking old enough, well, as their king, might he not have more refined features, a more youthful visage than the others, in spite of his years? I'm quite smitten by him already.

I agree this initial peek at the ensemble was comforting. Some in the group might be replaced easily, or at best are interchangeable. But others, for me, are already gelling as the characters they will play.


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Aragorn the Elfstone
Grey Havens


Feb 11 2011, 6:15am

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So surreal... [In reply to] Can't Post

My oh my. Having missed the production phase of the LotR films (I finished the books in time for the second and third FotR trailers), this is leaving me so giddy. Laugh I truly never thought - after the experience of seeing the original trilogy and the experiencing the emotion of that 3 year journey - that I would actually get to go "back again". It is incredibly special to me to get to experience these films from the very beginning of their creation. Just getting to see these actors as they prepare to embark on this journey is quite exciting. On a personal note, it doesn't hurt that this will be coinciding with my own journey into film (I'll hopefully be attending film school this fall). Even with the perspective that I'm simply a spectator in all this, I can't help but feel that this is going to be a magnificent couple of years.

"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence


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Milknut
Rohan


Feb 11 2011, 7:28am

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Actually, he said a paper mache Gollum. [In reply to] Can't Post

It would have been funny if they had to have a paper mache Gandalf. :P

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Silverlode
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Feb 11 2011, 8:34am

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Marvelous. [In reply to] Can't Post

It's great to see that once again, PJ and Co. have chosen not just good actors who will fit the parts, but actors who will work well together. We may not have gotten a lot of "news", but it was a delight to see the group interacting. I can't wait to see them all on screen!

As an early member of the Martin Freeman bandwagon, I am thrilled to see him actually sitting there as a hobbit among dwarves. I'm certain he's going to be brilliant. Cool

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
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ShireHorse
Rohan

Feb 11 2011, 9:34am

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My version, Milknut, [In reply to] Can't Post

of a papier mache Gandalf sounds more avant garde, LOL!


Lost Hobbit
Rivendell


Feb 11 2011, 10:00am

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Armitage's voice [In reply to] Can't Post

It's so Thorin-ish! Heart And he's got very funny nose - i mean in terms of Hobbit film...I don't think he need any extra stuff on it...



maut
Rivendell


Feb 11 2011, 10:30am

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Lovely! [In reply to] Can't Post

So dwarvish they are! Smile
I like them all already.

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Dragon81
The Shire


Feb 11 2011, 11:34am

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The Hobbit & Dwarves have spoken [In reply to] Can't Post

Just finished viewing the press conference, and i have to say it is a relief to finally get to see and hear a number of
principle cast. But still this was more of a introduction of the actors, and i would have liked to hear from Sir Peter Jackson,
but understandably he was not present, also like someone has mentioned before it would have been nice to see Sir Ian Mckellan
in attendance, any one know when he will be in New Zealand.


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DrDeath153
Lorien

Feb 11 2011, 12:43pm

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I don't know what people are complaining about [In reply to] Can't Post

What's the big deal with their being no more casting announcements- is that the only thing that could come out of that press conference? Personally i found it enlightening even if it wasn't informative- you got a sense of the dynamic, of the character of the actors involved both individually and as a group- i never knew Graham McTavish was quite so giggly, and this was the first time i had actually seen a lot of the New Zealand actors move and react, as well as hear them (though i'm imagining that the antipodean tones will be re-tuned to be a bit more traditionally British of some variety or another).

Adam Brown intrigues me too, since he's one of the youngest cast members, and possibly the least known. What is cool about him is how he does look rather like a young Jed Brophy, so you can imagine how these different families and groupings are going to emerge. I'm becoming more comfortable with the younger cast members generally, but Armitage's age does still worry me, particularly if it means the character is going to be younger too (incidentally, where's the clip of him speaking in the press conference? I can't find it). I could have done with hearing a bit more from him, just to get a sense of what to expect and possibly even his response to the questions about his casting (it's alright PJ saying he's brilliant, but i want something solid to go on). Granted he's apparently a method actor so obviously he's trying to retain that distance, build up the persona, but still- it was a press conference so speak up Dickie! I would prefer a recasting but i am softening to Armitage, my mind is ajar for him to prove himself. He's got a striking resemblance to Gerard Butler in 300 there though with the full beard.

I'm still not keen on this idea of skimping on the prosthetics with the dwarves. They're welcome to try and introduce some of the actors' unique features into the sculpted appliances, but cutting back on the appliances will make for a stylistically unwelcome shift from the established dwarf look. Their heads still need to be larger in ratio to their bodies than humans in order to look dwarf-like.

But yes, i'm really excited by this clip- it's all kind of 'coming real' and that's really a rather amazing thing.

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Vellamo
Rivendell


Feb 11 2011, 12:45pm

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Having watched the full conference now... [In reply to] Can't Post

...I humbly must take back some of my harsh words said last night. The conference may have not been at all what most of us hoped for but calling it an anticlimax wasn't fair either. Even though those big, burning questions concerning the production still remain unanswered, getting to witness the fantastic synergy of the 1+13 was indeed truly inspiring. It added much needed credence and tangibility to the project.

Hence I endorse your words Owain: we are in for the experience that we have all been waiting for!


Pipe Dream
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Feb 11 2011, 12:48pm

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It was hard for me to hear too. [In reply to] Can't Post

So I normalized the audio to bring it out a bit more without getting blasted. It's uploading on youtube right now, so it might be worth another listen. I guess it depends on how acute your hearing is. Once done I'll post the link. -about 25 minutes to go

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Altaira
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Feb 11 2011, 1:08pm

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From the Home Page -->Complete Audio of 'The Hobbit' Press Conference [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks to our good friends at Weta Workshop, we have a downloadable mp3 of the entire Hobbit Press Conference. [Download mp3 (25MB) ] And if you haven’t checked it out yet, read Tehanu’s full report of the event! [Tehanu's Report]


Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.



"Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower

"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase



TORn Calendar

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dormouse
Half-elven

Feb 11 2011, 1:25pm

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Thanks for the links... [In reply to] Can't Post

It's all coming together, isn't it?

I really enjoyed watching and listening to all that - it's so good to see the actors together, and building up a kind of chemistry between them. Makes you realise what a big group of people 13 + 1 is - it was a smart move, I think, to make the thing exclusively Bilbo and dwarves and not introduce any other actors at this stage.

And singing too! It's all good! Cool


titanium_hobbit
Rohan


Feb 11 2011, 1:29pm

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yes yes yes! [In reply to] Can't Post

Love Dwalin's beard! (McTavish)

Gloín is a good match to be Gimli's dad. Armitage as Thorin is good too.

Not so sure about Ken Stott- I see him and think "REBUS" right away. He doesn't match my idea of Balin so well. Like to see a beard on him, his eyes are good though for a watch man/dwarf.

Also, I have been pronouncing it as "Bay-lin" and "Dway-lin" since the first time I read them, and was surprised to hear "Bah-lin" and "Dwah-lin" Anyone else? anyone got definitive pronunciation?

Hobbit firster, Book firster.


DrDeath153
Lorien

Feb 11 2011, 1:45pm

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Actually, sod cynicism, this is THE HOBBIT! [In reply to] Can't Post

So i've just seen the full press conference, and while my previous message was characteristically cynical and level-headed, i'd just like to take this moment to do a digital happy dance, because this thing is happening, it's happening and it's happening! These are great people, it's a great project and it'll hopefully produce a great result!

Dr Death


Vellamo
Rivendell


Feb 11 2011, 2:42pm

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May I join your digital dance? [In reply to] Can't Post

Decided to give a boot to my pessimism as well (at least for the time being). Feeling too giddy for that crap right now. ;)


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Finrod
Rohan


Feb 11 2011, 3:08pm

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Also, I have been pronouncing it as "Bay-lin" and "Dway-lin" since the first time I read them, and was surprised to hear "Bah-lin" and "Dwah-lin" Anyone else? anyone got definitive pronunciation?


It’s quite definitely supposed to be [ˈbɑːlɨn] and [ˈdwɑːlɨn], not [ˈbeɪlən] and [ˈdweɪlən]!

It sounded like she got all the other dwarves’ names pretty close correct, too, including even using [ɾ] instead of [ɹ] for Ori, Dori, and Nori, and using a two‐syllable hiatus instead of a one‐syllable diphthong in Óin and Glóin. That was all nice to hear.

She did botch the final r in Bifur, Bofur, and Bombur, but that’s just her own non-rhotic accent punching through. It should be [ˈbɔːmbɚ] — which is sometimes written [ˈbɔmbəɹ] — but certainly not [ˈbɒmbə] the way she said it with no r whatsoever. So it’s not correct, but I imagine they’ll fix it up for the production in any Kiwis whose twang they decide needs taming. She’s also a victim of the cot–caught merger, as I’ve indicated above in the first syllable of Bombur.

Like Tolkien himself and also John Rhys‐Davies’ portrayal of Gimli, the two Scots should both be native rhotic speakers, which will work out well for them. I think James Nesbitt is too; not sure on Aidan Turner. The Englishmen and Kiwis are not native rhotic speakers, however, so they may have to fix that up during dialect coaching.

I figure that just as they did with Merry and Pippin versus Frodo and Sam, they might well try to zero in on a single shared dialect only between each set of Dwarves who are closely related and then let each group vary a bit from each other group. Balin and Dwalin should have no trouble being both Scots, but these are after all actors, so they should be able to handle any required dialect shifts without too terribly much work.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they left Martin Freeman pretty close to RP, which is non‐rhotic, since it will give him a more bourgeois or semi‐posh sound. I seem to recall that Ian McKellen put more r into his Gandalf, having studied and adopted Tolkien’s own (rhotic) accent for the rôle.

Here are the actors’ nationalities:
  • Bilbo:   Martin Freeman        – England
  • Thorin:  Richard Armitage      – England
  • Fíli:    Rob Kazinsky          – England
  • Kíli:    Aidan Turner          – Ireland
  • Balin:   Ken Stott             – Scotland
  • Dwalin:  Graham McTavish       – Scotland
  • Bifur:   William Kircher       – New Zealand
  • Bofur:   James Nesbitt         – Northern Ireland
  • Bombur:  Stephen Hunter        – New Zealand
  • Óin:     John Callen           – New Zealand
  • Glóin:   Peter Hambleton       – New Zealand
  • Ori:     Adam Brown            – England
  • Nori:    Jed Brophy            – New Zealand
  • Dori:    Mark Hadlow           – New Zealand
Interesting that there’s no one from the States, Canada, or Australia. Harder to work the accents, maybe? Or maybe it’s just because those countries don’t end in “‑land”? :)
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The Silmarillion, pp 150-151
while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
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ShireHorse
Rohan

Feb 11 2011, 3:15pm

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Here you go, DrDeath! [In reply to] Can't Post

Mr Armitage speaks! He sees himself as middle-aged, is a big bloke with a strong nose and, as Tehanu says in her report from the scene, he has a certain "gravitas".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSq2FkxsDoQ

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