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pasi
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Feb 3 2011, 10:46am
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Thanks for your replay, yes I lived in Lisbon.
Good day for you.
best
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macfalk
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Feb 3 2011, 10:51am
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And your English is perfectly understandble, by the way. My English skills are also lacking, you know. 
The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.
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Feb 3 2011, 11:36am
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I think del Toro will still be involved at some level
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He's still got credit for writing and his contribution up to the time he left will still be included, from what I have heard. What's to say he won't continue to contribut once the filming gets under way... as a consultant and/or tech person. There's no reason his involvment has to end just because he can't take on the mantle of director. A smattering of work here and there or consultation is certainly possible whilst still focusing on his current projects. GdT was so thrilled to be a part of this project, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he'd still be in the background.
In my eyes, it's not an all-or-nothing-at-all process. Peter's always shown creativity when it comes to his style of putting a film together, and I think GdT is cut from that same cloth. If anything can be worked out, I'm sure these 2 gents will be the dudes to do it :)
 
I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.
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sphdle1
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Feb 3 2011, 1:13pm
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I remember they talked about CGI vs Animatronics a while back...
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The last I read they were leaning towards more animatronics with some CGI for Smaug. So for anyone that may know, is Smaug still going to be mostly animatronics? Is this something they would do working with WETA or possibly Jim Henson's crew? Henson did some ground breaking work on The Dark Crystal and his company is now doing The Power of the Dark Crystal sequel...just curious if they would be involved, if Smaug is some form of animatronics?
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Faenoriel
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Feb 3 2011, 4:21pm
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Something like that would be awesome, and would help to remind us (well, some of us) again how brilliant team we're talking about. Someone once said that when she saw the LotR logo for the first time her mind was at peace, because obviously people with the sense of style to come up with that logo would do good job with the rest too.
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Flagg
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Feb 3 2011, 4:26pm
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I'm not sure where you got that idea, but Guillermo's description certainly doesn't sound anything like it. His Smaug was an unusually long, serpentine creature; it sounds like the wings would be attached to the hind legs, which would be perhaps half of the way down his body – certainly nowhere near the buttocks! It does sound bad when you describe 'the rest of him flopping out in front', but I doubt that's how it would look – we have no idea what the wings themselves would look like, except that they would be 'articulated on the dorsal side'. Perhaps the leading edge of the wings would have extended forward to the front of Smaug's body? That would provide adequate support to his entire mass, and he would look quite balanced if his tail was long enough – especially when taking the small foreclaws into account.
Also, I just discovered that a dinosaur called the Sharovipteryx actually had wings on its hind legs which extended towards its front, a bit like the design I'm describing. The pictures on the Wikipedia page might give you an idea as to what Smaug could look like...
To Flagg: A dragon with his wings essentially springing out of his behind?/? Or attatched to his tail with the rest of him just sort of flopping out in front? That. . . that is a bridge too far for me. Not as bad as what Spendhle said about his fears of a venus flytrap mouth. . . though God knows I hope we don't see anything like that either!
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Kangi Ska
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Feb 3 2011, 6:37pm
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May 10th, 2008 by MrCere The Dragon Solution: GDT shares his thoughts
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Here!
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Bran
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Feb 3 2011, 6:50pm
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For me that is the crux of this thread
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Flag,
I'd never seen that before, it really is the oddest thing. I had no idea such things ever existed. Thanks for that.
The problem for me, personally, is, as amazing, unusual and unique looking that animal is, it just doesn't fit my imagination of what Smaug was like.
Like all these discussions, it is quite difficult. It's almost as if it's a lot easier to say 'I don't like that idea' than to try and think of how it should look. That's why I'm not an artist, I imagine.
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Feb 3 2011, 6:54pm
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... that it would be quite difficult doing a completely animatronic dragon. They could go for a combi-platter - prosthetic costume, with animatronic adaptations and a CG tweak in places, but I think it might be a tough one to work out. They could possibly do CG for most shots with animatronic head etc. for close-ups. Most FX shops have animatronics guys or they will hire them in as freelance. Two of the best are Mark Setrakian and Chris Clarke. Having seen some excellent animatronics 'up close and personal,' as it were, that might work. I could be wrong, but I think they may go for complete CG with animatronic close-ups. I suppose until post is under way we won't know.
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The last I read they were leaning towards more animatronics with some CGI for Smaug. So for anyone that may know, is Smaug still going to be mostly animatronics? Is this something they would do working with WETA or possibly Jim Henson's crew? Henson did some ground breaking work on The Dark Crystal and his company is now doing The Power of the Dark Crystal sequel...just curious if they would be involved, if Smaug is some form of animatronics?
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SirDennisC
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Feb 3 2011, 7:03pm
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wouldn't happen to be related to Abraham would he?
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sphdle1
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Feb 3 2011, 7:56pm
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Yeah we'll just have to wait and see
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I just recall the last I read from GDT when he posted on ToRN was how strongly he felt about not using CGI except to enhance the animatronics...!?
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Mark Sommer
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Feb 4 2011, 12:19am
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If that's anything like what del Toro had in mind, I'm all for it.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 4 2011, 4:07am
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Seconded with hopes that the motion carries.
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You are far from alone in this. I have said before, and stand by this, the massive werewolf monster from that old NeverEnding Story film was far closer in looks to what I think a warg would be than the hyena of the TTT and ROTK films. I, for one, would like to see REAL wargs this time.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 4 2011, 4:10am
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I feel like the overall feel of the first half of Fellowship Up TO Moria would be the right tone and colour for The Hobbit. By Moria, and Certainly once we are out of Lorien and into TTT, the colour seems to drain, the world becomes less vivid and more grim. Lothlorien is, in some ways, the last really enchanted feeling place we see until the the coronation of Aragorn. I think the general feel and look of Fellowship, but with a better representation of Gandalf's magic, as we see it in the books, is the ideal marker. While I certainly want the Hobbit to follow the overall feel of LOTR I do think theres a need to a certain degree of change in the design work in order to match the story, more fanastical ala alot of what we saw in Moria rather than the more grounded design of the rest of the films.
It could well be that Del Toro working on the films then moving on was actually the perfect situation, bring some fresh ideas into the mix but then have Jackson use them to create a film that fits in with his LOTR.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 4 2011, 4:13am
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I respect your concerns, Bran.
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I honestly do. But I have several pressing worries about what might happen with The Hobbit, and how Peter Et Al might Approach it, now including these strange rumors of the look of Smaug The Magnificent. . . antlers on Thorin's helm just don't rate on my list of serious concerns at present.  Maybe I'm old fashioned, and unimaginative, but more of the same, more 'boring old Tolkien' is fine by me. I'm more than happy with what Tolkien gives us.
As to the point that 'Tolkien doesn't tell us Thorin didn't have a thorned helmet', well, yes, true, but that is a very, very dangerous argument. Tolkien doesn't tell us that Thorin didn't have wings, either, nor Bilbo two heads. He neglects to tell us about the fabulous Mrs Beorn, who could change into a hydra when orcs approached, or the suicide bomber orcs, what a great thing they are!
OK, I'm being ridiculous, but it just serves to demonstrate that just because JRRT didn't say something wasn't present, it doesn't give folk the right to go and make yup anything they feel audiences might like, just to sell more film tickets.
There is a line which should not be crossed. For some of us, that line is very, very close to what we are told by JRRT.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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Feb 4 2011, 6:48am
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I was thinking more in terms of the design of the "badies"
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I feel like the overall feel of the first half of Fellowship Up TO Moria would be the right tone and colour for The Hobbit. By Moria, and Certainly once we are out of Lorien and into TTT, the colour seems to drain, the world becomes less vivid and more grim. Lothlorien is, in some ways, the last really enchanted feeling place we see until the the coronation of Aragorn. I think the general feel and look of Fellowship, but with a better representation of Gandalf's magic, as we see it in the books, is the ideal marker. While I certainly want the Hobbit to follow the overall feel of LOTR I do think theres a need to a certain degree of change in the design work in order to match the story, more fanastical ala alot of what we saw in Moria rather than the more grounded design of the rest of the films.
It could well be that Del Toro working on the films then moving on was actually the perfect situation, bring some fresh ideas into the mix but then have Jackson use them to create a film that fits in with his LOTR.
I agree the first half of FOTR has a more Hobbit like atmosphere but in terms of the bad guys Moria had a more fantastical edge to it compaired to the more down to earn "militerised" enemies we saw afterwards such as the Uruk Hai.
The Moria orcs for example are the kind of orcs/goblins I'd like to see featured in the Hobbit.
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Bran
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Feb 4 2011, 10:03am
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Perhaps I didn't make myself clear AO
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It's not the horns on the helmet per se, that concern me, it's what they MIGHT say about the creative processes going into the films.
Personally, I don't like that idea, I think they'd look silly, but it's no huge concern, as you say. If the thought processes that arrived at that idea are extrapolated however, then I do have huge concerns.
Please note, again, I say 'MIGHT', and I fully accept the age of the article, the need for left field thinking, and the fact that there are a huge team of designers who will keep the more outrageous ideas in check.
We're just talking about possibilities here, not cast iron certainties.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Trees that match Tolkien's drawings is a "bizzarre idea?"
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What? I don't understand that.
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