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pandoraziki
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Jan 11 2011, 2:09pm
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Great news all around. I hope sir Ian will have a blast playing Gandalf the Grey again.
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Tim
Dor-Lomin
Jan 11 2011, 2:20pm
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Sir Ian McKellan to Hobbit production..
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... "You... Shall Not... PASS!
... me by! I'm hopping on The Hobbit!"
He's made his entrance fashionably-late-but-on-time.  Good, the man IS Gandalf.
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Tim: There are some who call me... Tim?
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Hanzkaz
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Jan 11 2011, 2:40pm
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Sir Ian McKellan to Hobbit production.
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Agreed, Sir Ian IS Gandalf. The Hobbit wouldn't be the same without him.
I'd also like see Sir Christopher Lee back as 'Apparently Good' Saruman. That would have make the revelations about him in the LOTR even more shocking, particularly for anyone watching the films in their chronological order for the first time.
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2011, 3:01pm
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with how he talks about things. There are several little tidbits in this that just made me little heart jump!!! I'm so happy I could spit!
Bless 'im.
 
I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.
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DiveTwin
Nargothrond
Jan 11 2011, 3:22pm
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Great news.
"Do not come between the Nazgul and his prey"
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nobofthepony
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Jan 11 2011, 3:35pm
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Reading between the lines, it sounds like WB's "negotiators" made McKellen question if he wanted to come back at all.
I also wish he wouldn't compare his role to Dumbledore. Gandalf is THE wizard, Dumbledore is a cheap knock-off.
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Bound
Nargothrond
Jan 11 2011, 3:47pm
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Is no more original then Dumbeldore.
Most Wizards are based on Merlin.
the man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed
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Finrod
Nargothrond
Jan 11 2011, 4:12pm
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{Gandalf} is no more original then Dumbeldore.
Most Wizards are based on Merlin. NB: Please don’t the start of your message in the Subject line, as it will be lost in replies. Per his Letter #107, Tolkien himself thought of Gandalf as an Odinic wanderer, as in the Norse Eddas. There's also precedent to be found in the character Väinämöinen from the Finnish Kalevala. Look to those two sources, both very familiar to Tolkien, before haring off at low-flying merlins or bumbling dumbledores.
Back on topic, this article claims that Christopher Lee and Ian Holm have agreed to reprise their rôles in The Hobbit. There’s also mention of Liv Tyler and Hugo Weaving. And this article mentions not just a high salary for a brief cameo for Orlando Bloom, but also that Dominic Monaghan will appear.
I wouldn’t get too worked up over all this. Just wait and see.
…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.The Silmarillion, pp 150-151 while Felagund laughs beneath the treesin Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.The Lays of Beleriand, p 311
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Ainu Laire
Dor-Lomin
Jan 11 2011, 4:18pm
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Glad to hear both Serkis and McKellen are official.
Now I want to hear about Bard and Thranduil...
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Lord Maegmoth
Lindon
Jan 11 2011, 4:26pm
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Never had any doubt whichsoever that Sir Ian would return. He, irrefutably, would be Gandalf. Much as Sir Christopher would be Saruman. In my humble opinion, of course. Hopefully, the reports of Christopher Lee and Ian Holm being in the midst of negotiating a return to their respective roles in TH prove to be more than mere hearsay, and actually come to fruition. Indeed, it shall be something to savour if they are both to return. Much to look forward to.
No mention of Hugo Weaving? Rather odd, considering Elrond's relative prominence in TH. Perhaps he would be in the midst of negotiations as well. Rather furtive negotiations. And what of the characters of Bard the Bowman and Thranduil? Two rather pivotal roles for which no announcements have, at this stage, been forthcoming. Oh well, all shall be revealed within the next few weeks, of that much I would be certain.
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Lindele
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Jan 11 2011, 5:15pm
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Gandalf is a far more complex, original, and profound character than Dumbledore. Just because Merlin exists does not mean that all wizard characters developed after are based on him.
I find very few similarities.
Though I would be willing to bet that Dumbledore was at least heavily inspired by Gandalf.
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Bran
Menegroth
Jan 11 2011, 5:48pm
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when I here people talking about Gandalf and Dumbledore. Over the years I've read many, many works of fantasy and none of them has ever touched the depth, complexity and beauty of Tolkien's work. I've nothing against Harry Potter, found the films quite entertaining, but they really are very, very shallow in comparison.
I really cannot ever see anyone ever managing to equal or surpass the work of Tolkien - it was his life,
Sorry.
Mawr yw ein braint i berthyn i'r gwm Llynfi
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Lindele
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Jan 11 2011, 6:08pm
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Though I have read the Harry Potter series twice and fell in love with it, and Dumbledore is a great character. Just don't compare him to Gandalf!
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Flagg
Dor-Lomin
Jan 11 2011, 6:21pm
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Ian Holm and Christopher Lee are in negotiations? Fantastic news! I was worried about both of them, and it's great to get semi-confirmation of the return of both actors. I especially can't wait to see what Lee has in store for us... in The Hobbit he will finally get a chance to portray Saruman during his decline; his downfall... I'm sure it will be a much more interesting role than the one in Lord of the Rings. There should be a lot more to the character this time round.
Ian McKellen and Andy Serkis are signed? Well, okay. Good. I was 99% sure that both actors would be returning, so I'm not feeling any relief or surprise at this news – I had a mild 'yes!' moment for a second or two when I saw McKellen's name, but that's pretty much it. Now I just feel deeply contented...
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nobofthepony
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Jan 11 2011, 6:24pm
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I enjoy the Harry Potter movies and all, but come on. Dumbledore is probably an homage to Gandalf (or Ian McKellen).
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Flagg
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Jan 11 2011, 6:40pm
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he's working on a new Pee-wee film with Judd Apatow (seriously).
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Flagg
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Jan 11 2011, 6:44pm
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The Gandalf/Dumbledore parallel is exaggerated
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They really aren't similar characters if you look beyond a superficial level (both are old men with beards and they can do magic). Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows goes to great lengths to flesh out Dumbledore's character via flashbacks and so on, and there really isn't much in common with Olórin there...
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Jan 11 2011, 6:46pm
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You don't 'spose they're going to replace Thranduil with Legolas do you?
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Bombatones
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Jan 11 2011, 6:56pm
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"*tap**tap**tap* Hugo Weaving? Paging Mr. Hugo Weaving! Mr. Weaving, please report to Rivendell ASAP."//
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Bran
Menegroth
Jan 11 2011, 6:59pm
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I especially can't wait to see what Lee has in store for us... in The Hobbit he will finally get a chance to portray Saruman during his decline; his downfall... I'm sure it will be a much more interesting role than the one in Lord of the Rings. There should be a lot more to the character this time round. I agree very strongly. I know there are a lot of people around here who want to see The Hobbit, The Whole Hobbit and Nothing But The Hobbit, but I'm all for seeing more Saruman stuff, and the rest of the White council too. That whole part of the tale sets the scene for what happens in later films so well.
Mawr yw ein braint i berthyn i'r gwm Llynfi
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Finrod
Nargothrond
Jan 11 2011, 7:01pm
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I enjoy the Harry Potter movies and all, but come on. Dumbledore is probably an homage to Gandalf (or Ian McKellen).
There was a merry passenger,
a messenger, a mariner:
he built a gilded gondola
to wander in, and had in her
a load of yellow oranges
and porridge for his provender;
he perfumed her with marjoram
and cardamom and lavender.
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He battled with the Dumbledores,
the Bumbles, and the Honeybees,
and won the Golden Honeycomb;
and running home on sunny seas
in ship of leaves and gossamer
with blossom for a canopy,
he polished up, and furbished up,
and burnished up his panoply.
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“Errantry”, J.R.R. Tolkien 1933
…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.The Silmarillion, pp 150-151 while Felagund laughs beneath the treesin Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.The Lays of Beleriand, p 311
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Flagg
Dor-Lomin
Jan 11 2011, 7:04pm
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that this is a poem about Beorn battling bees for honey.
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Flagg
Dor-Lomin
Jan 11 2011, 7:08pm
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I panicked for just a fraction of a second. I hate it when great things – like Christopher Lee returning – turn out to be dreams. I usually wake up when I say to myself 'This is too good to be true, perhaps it's a dream'. So if this was indeed a dream, I probably would have awakened as soon as I read that sentence and contemplated it...
This better not be one of those dreams from Inception.
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shadowdog
Nargothrond
Jan 11 2011, 7:23pm
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I'm about to be 68. Talk about getting nervous with every delay. 
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nobofthepony
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Jan 11 2011, 8:07pm
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So is "dumbledore" a real word or did Tolkien coin it?!
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