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Elijah Wood will be in 'The Hobbit'
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Flagg
Tol Eressea


Jan 7 2011, 6:38pm

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That depends [In reply to] Can't Post

Did Bilbo write his memoirs in the third person, beginning with 'In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit'? Or did he write them in the first person, leaving Tolkien (who discovered a copy of the Red Book) to translate his tale and rewrite it as a children's story?


Sunflower
Valinor

Jan 7 2011, 6:42pm

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But you forget [In reply to] Can't Post

 It's actually 65 years (60 between TH and FOTR, the year of the War of the Ring, and 4 more years after the end of the War, to the last scene in Bag End. Unless they show Frodo reading from the almost-completed Red Book say, 3 after. )

MrCere, does the rumor say we are actually going to SEE Frodo onscreen in the opening scene of TH 1? If we merely hear him doing a voice-over, it presents far less problems. It would b easier for me to accept the occaisional voice-over during TH as well. Then, you are still in the dark about who this mysterious "narrator" is, and the existence of Frodo and the timeframe of the narrative/identity of the Narrator is gradually revealed as the story goes on. (at the beg. of FOTR the future viewer realizes, "Oh, so this is who it is! Frodo, son of Drogo and Primula, and Bilbo adopted him!" --it seems we are going to be seeing the tragic deaths of, or at least a Hobbiton scene of, Drogo and Primula).

This is the Problem: this is all a lot easier to believe if the future viewer is watching the EE's. But if they are watching the Theatricals, this won't make any sense at all. ""60 years later" at the beginning of FOTR, as we see Frodo under the tree? And we've just seen the Prologue which takes you 3000 years back in tim. I remember watching the Prologue in the theater the first time, and if I hadn't known the story well, I imagine that "60 yrs later" would have confuse me at first. 60 yrs after what? Oh, right, 60 yrs after Bilbo finds a ring in a cave. That Prologue was seemingly straightforward but really asked a lot of movie-firsters, I'm thinking. (I'd love to hear reactions from movie-firsters if the Prolgue confused you at all, the first time you saw it?)

You have to remember, that Peter is facing the same problem George Lucas faced with the SW prequels. Fans of now may grouse, but this is really being made for future generations, where they'll sit down and watch the Pentology in order. So if we hear Frodo as a narrator in TH long before we see him onscreen, it would work wonderfully. (Except the theatrical would present some problems--that "60 yrs later" would have to be removed--as well as Ian Holm not looking like Martin in that brief flash-back? forward? scene in the FOTR Prologue --OUCH MY POOR BRAINTongueSmile)--

If WB is pressuring Peter into doing a sort of "Super-Prologue" to tie all this up for the movie-firster, when it really isn;t necessary, we're screwed. They have to have faith that it makes far more sense for the viewer to gradually find out who the narrator is, and the story would flow a lot better. OH God nightmare visions of Dune here*

But if the script calls for the audience to *see* Frodo in the very first scene of The Pentology, this would cause problems. How do you explain this character to the first-time movie-firster of the future? We see a mysterious scene of a hobbit reading a book he is writing in a house we don't know, yet, is Bag End. Is he alone, reading it as he writies it, as we later see Bilbo doing at the beginning of FOTR EE? Maybe that would work--if it's a brief teaser, just to get our curiosity piqued--if we are told nothing, If Frodo tells us nothing. IS Elijah really going to be reading the first pages word for word--"IN the hole in the groumd there lived a Hobbit?" etc. And when Gandlaf appears, he's say, "Gandalf! If you'd half of what I heard" etc.

Will he be reading to Elanor maybe? That would be a problem, since we'd only be able to see the back of Elanor's head, it being a miracle if they could find a 3-yr-old who looks exactly like 3-yr-old Alexandra did. (Although the aspect of the Saga having evolved, as Sam wished it, into a "fireside-tale for young Hobbits" is a charming one, if it is realized on the screen.It was hinted at at the end of TTT< in Sam's speech, just as it was in the book. That would be a nice evolving transition. )

Would we see Sam as well? Increasingly I think that Sean should narrate the darned thing, since "the very last pages were really his." I wish if Peter ever adds anything in the Ultimate Edition, it would be for a middle-aged or older Sean Astin handing the Red Book off to grown-up Alexandra, and hey, his other 2 grown kids, playing Goldilocks and Rosie-lass,etc--that woul be **absolutely enchanting**--I think they'd do it too! --not likely though--but hey a gal can dream can't she?Sly)

(Ok Sunflower, you're going insane. Stop the madness now. LaughLaugh)

Count on us fans to make a mountain out of a mol-hill-or in this case a Hobbit-hill. I'll bet Peter and Co and Guillermo (if he still reads this) are laughing their heads off. This is all probsbly hoo-hah, as HM says, over nothing.


(This post was edited by Sunflower on Jan 7 2011, 6:49pm)


The Party Tree
Lorien


Jan 7 2011, 6:44pm

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That would be perfect. [In reply to] Can't Post

I always thought the point of having a narrator at all for TH would be so that this line could start off the movie.


Bound
Rohan


Jan 7 2011, 6:48pm

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I'm guessing.. [In reply to] Can't Post

I know Geordie seems to be leaving these forums.. and his last comments - if about Elijah Woods seem rather odd. Did you meet him in real life and was rude to you.. is this the origin of your hatred??

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Bran
Lorien

Jan 7 2011, 6:54pm

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Knowledge of the ring [In reply to] Can't Post

Might have a part to play in this.

I suspect the film makers will not want to give away anything about the true nature of the ring in these films. That would potentially spoil the start of FOTR for future film goers unfamiliar with the story.

Doesn't that suggest that Frodo narrating the Hobbit from a time before FOTR makes more sense? When he, himself would not know what the ring was?

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macfalk
Valinor


Jan 7 2011, 6:54pm

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I agree, it seemed as a strange comment to make // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



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Brandybuckled
Lorien

Jan 7 2011, 6:57pm

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Thanks! You just gave me an idea for my sig line! [In reply to] Can't Post

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Silverlode
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Jan 7 2011, 7:02pm

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Both. [In reply to] Can't Post

I see both of those, followed by

U GUYZ ARNT REAL FANS REAL FANS WOUD ARGREE WITH ME I AM THE BIGEST LOTR FAN EVAR I SAW ALL THE MOVIES 3 TIMS!!!!!!!!!!


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Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


dormouse
Half-elven

Jan 7 2011, 7:11pm

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Who knows? [In reply to] Can't Post

I think it would be good to begin that way too, but if there's to be some sort of prologue-ey Frodo-reads-book opening then there is, and we might as well make the best of it for now - at least, that's the way I'm trying to look at it.

But if the cinema darkens and the titles go up and the first words we hear are "In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit...", no matter who says them, I shall start watching with a big satisfied smile!


Silverlode
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Jan 7 2011, 7:11pm

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Lindele, I see your point. [In reply to] Can't Post

And I feel your pain. I don't know if this will help or not, but part of the reason every thread is peppered with complaints is that there are always many schools of thought on any issue concerning the books or the movies. This means that everyone is happy at some news and unhappy at other news. So when one group is happy, another group isn't, and vice versa. This means that while there are a few wet blankets around who apparently don't like anything at all, a lot of the complaining is spread around - different people complaining at different things. It helps somewhat to know the people as individuals, because then instead of a big group complaining en masse, you get to the point where you know that this person loves this idea and hates that one, but that person is the opposite, and that one over there can be trusted to bring up ______ at every opportunity. I don't know that it makes it less whiny, but at least it gives some variety to the chorus of moans. Wink

If you're waiting for the news that makes everyone happy....I'm not sure we've ever heard it. Perhaps the announcement of Ian McKellan's signing will be the closest, though I'm sure there's someone who's secretly hoping he'll be out and someone else will be in, and they'll make sure to come and tell us so. Tongue It's just the nature of things in a place like this.

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


Brandybuckled
Lorien

Jan 7 2011, 7:16pm

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It's not a purse! It's a Middle Earthian carry-all!! [In reply to] Can't Post

As a purist (but not an ardent purist), I will be satisfied with nothing until I get to see the movie.

Until then I shall complain (but not ardently) about the tune in my head not being in the same key as the tune in TPTB's heads.

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Darkstone
Immortal


Jan 7 2011, 7:16pm

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Or maybe Lurtz *is* Itaril! [In reply to] Can't Post

"She was an elf once, taken by the dark powers, tortured and mutilated. A ruined and terrible form..."

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"The ring cannot be destroyed, Gimli, son of Gloin, by any craft that we here possess. The ring was made in the fires of Mount Doom. Only there can it be unmade. The ring must be taken deep into Mordor and cast back into the fiery chasm from whence it came. One of you must do this."

*crickets*


peleowyn
Rivendell


Jan 7 2011, 7:17pm

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Wonderful news!! [In reply to] Can't Post

We were all so hoping to see all our friends again! Hooray!!


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Jan 7 2011, 7:20pm

Post #139 of 379 (21907 views)
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You're right about the McKellen announcement [In reply to] Can't Post

Even that won't totally satisfy everybody. I remember Gandalf'sMother saying that she (or he?) would like The Hobbit to get a new director, a new Saruman and a new Gandalf, but that's the only person as far as I'm aware.


Patty
Immortal


Jan 7 2011, 7:20pm

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*mods up* [In reply to] Can't Post

But hopes it doesn't come true.Sly

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macfalk
Valinor


Jan 7 2011, 7:23pm

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Haha. Good one, Darkstone // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



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macfalk
Valinor


Jan 7 2011, 7:26pm

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I think [In reply to] Can't Post

I think maybe 99% of the fans (this is just my estimation) accepts Ian McKellen as Gandy. It may not have been their first choice, but he worked. Another estimation is that maybe 80 % loves Ian McKellen as Gandy (as myself). Like Silverlode I think this announcement is the closest we can get to a mutual Yay-feeling around here. Or a mutual Nay-feeling for that matter, if he does not reprise his role as Gandalf. Unsure



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RosieLass
Valinor


Jan 7 2011, 7:26pm

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Well, I was hoping that everyone would be new, too. [In reply to] Can't Post

Not because I disliked McKellen's Gandalf, because I didn't. I thought he did a terrific job.

I was just hoping to see a different Middle-earth from a different director's perspective, just for variety's sake.



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)


RosieLass
Valinor


Jan 7 2011, 7:28pm

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Maybe this is where they're moving the Trolls' purse. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)

(This post was edited by RosieLass on Jan 7 2011, 7:29pm)


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Jan 7 2011, 7:33pm

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I agree [In reply to] Can't Post

that it would be nice to get a different director and a different perspective on Middle-earth (there are several that I would have preferred to direct The Hobbit), but recasting iconic characters solely for the sake of mixing things up is just going too far in my view.


Darkstone
Immortal


Jan 7 2011, 7:35pm

Post #146 of 379 (21355 views)
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So they're making a troll's purse from an elf's ear? / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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"The ring cannot be destroyed, Gimli, son of Gloin, by any craft that we here possess. The ring was made in the fires of Mount Doom. Only there can it be unmade. The ring must be taken deep into Mordor and cast back into the fiery chasm from whence it came. One of you must do this."

*crickets*


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jan 7 2011, 7:36pm

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Here's a thought [In reply to] Can't Post

What if they somehow tie Frodo into Gandalf The White's long talk with Tom Bombadil at the end of ROTK where Gandalf would tell the tale of how all this business of the ring started?

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macfalk
Valinor


Jan 7 2011, 7:36pm

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It is a gift. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Jan 7 2011, 7:39pm

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I love the idea of working Bombadil in somehow [In reply to] Can't Post

If only they'd left the line in RotK where Gandalf says he's going off to meet him...

Maybe Frodo could narrate Bilbo's tale while sitting in Bag End and reading the Red Book, and Gandalf could narrate the adventures of the White Council while telling his parts of the story to Tom Bombadil?


RosieLass
Valinor


Jan 7 2011, 7:39pm

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Well, no. [In reply to] Can't Post

It would be silly for Peter Jackson to cast a different Gandalf.

But if we'd gotten a different producer and director, I would have wanted them to start with a clean slate and give us all new casting.



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)

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