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Donry
Tol Eressea


Dec 12 2010, 5:14am

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Gandalf vs. Aslan... Can't Post

Well....what do y'all think?

What's the matter, James? No glib remark? No pithy comeback?"


StarElf
Rohan

Dec 12 2010, 5:49am

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Since Gandalf is my favorite character, it pains me to say it. But what this basically comes down to is Jesus (Aslan) against an angel (Gandalf), so I think the winner is clear.

Was the world being born what called me...?
At the bottom of the deep sea, I could hear a voice.



macfalk
Valinor


Dec 12 2010, 9:31am

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While admitting that my knowledge of Narnia is not vast [In reply to] Can't Post

Gandy all the way Evil



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


.Ithilwen.
Rivendell


Dec 12 2010, 2:47pm

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Tough call though, since they both have habits of not actually dying... Well, staying dead that is. It comes down to magical lion with big claws or magical man with stick. Though, I think Gandalf would put up a good fight :)

(if we submitted this to "Deadliest Warrior" think they'd laugh...? Wink )

"All that we see or seem...
Is but a dream within a dream."




Wraith Buster
Gondor


Dec 12 2010, 10:06pm

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Aslan... He knows the deep magic// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Bustin' makes me feel good!!

I do believe if our honorable friend continues to scrape the bottom of the barrel for objections he is in danger of getting splinters under his fingernails.

Have you heard nothing of the stubbornness of dwarves and their elf
instigators?

The dark spybot will not avail you, flame of Ubuntu!



Airaloske
The Shire


Dec 13 2010, 9:21pm

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Aslan [In reply to] Can't Post

He can do pretty much anything. After all, he is not a tame lion.



macfalk
Valinor


Dec 13 2010, 9:28pm

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How can a lion win vs a demigod // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Airaloske
The Shire


Dec 13 2010, 9:34pm

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he isn't just a lion [In reply to] Can't Post

Aslan is a god himself. How can a demigod defeat an actual god?



StarElf
Rohan

Dec 14 2010, 1:12am

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I actually recommend that you read the Chronicles of Narnia, macfalk, or at least watch the movies. Both Narnia and Middle Earth were the writers' ways of setting up a 'pararellel universe' for Christian mythology---in fact, C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien were actually best friends and were constantly inspiring/challenging each other throughout their entire lives. It's probably not going too far too say that they were instrumental in helping to develop each other's fictional worlds, as they were part of the same writing group and very supportive of each other as both people and writers.

Like Gandalf, Aslan becomes more amazing the more you learn about him. I don't want to give out any spoilers, but you should read the books. :) Many of us do prefer Middle Earth, myself included, but Narnia is also awesome.

Was the world being born what called me...?
At the bottom of the deep sea, I could hear a voice.



(This post was edited by StarElf on Dec 14 2010, 1:18am)


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Dec 14 2010, 1:52am

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Aslan is a weak sister and [In reply to] Can't Post

a poor excuse for a metaphor. Narnia is interesting but can't hold a candle to Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit.

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
New Zealand is Middle-earth & today life is good.

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(This post was edited by Kangi Ska on Dec 14 2010, 1:53am)


TolkienOtaku
Rivendell


Dec 14 2010, 6:09am

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That just reminded me [In reply to] Can't Post

of this 5 Second Movie. http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/...-chronicles-of-naria

So many are still waiting for their new beginning. Their birth by sleep. Even me, and even you.


macfalk
Valinor


Dec 14 2010, 10:29am

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Besides [In reply to] Can't Post

Liam Neeson (Aslan) can't hold a candle to Sir Ian McKellen Laugh



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


StarElf
Rohan

Dec 14 2010, 10:52am

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Well, duh Tongue But you shouldn't really dismiss Narnia without having read it, because it is still interesting and Narnia fans are almost like a Tolkien fan's extended family. Some fans feel like you have to like just one or the other, but you totally don't. A lot of fans actually do like both, though it's no shame to have a preference for one or the other.

Was the world being born what called me...?
At the bottom of the deep sea, I could hear a voice.



(This post was edited by StarElf on Dec 14 2010, 11:00am)


macfalk
Valinor


Dec 14 2010, 10:58am

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Not bashing Narnia [In reply to] Can't Post

It's just... he's a lion for crying out loud! Laugh



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


StarElf
Rohan

Dec 14 2010, 12:45pm

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:p [In reply to] Can't Post

But some lions are not just lions, like some Elves are not just ordinary Elves. ;) Like Auri and I said, Aslan is allegorically the Christian God in disguise. He is more powerful than you would think just by looking at a lion's form. Gandalf is subservient to and less powerful than Eru, who is the equivalent of the Christian God in Tolkien's universe. Since Aslan is effectively the same being as Eru, this means that Aslan could defeat Gandalf. They are just different fictional worlds. Though they didn't start out that way, Narnia and Arda were actually (albeit very, very slightly) sort of a friendly competition between Tolkien and Lewis about who could write the better Christian-inspired fiction. They were serious about their fictional worlds anyway, but they have more in common than you might think. Tollkien just had more volume and more adult themes plus the languages.... while I think he was the better writer, many others disagree. Kangi doesn't, but he stated that a bit snidely. When you agreed with him, you indirectly did the same.

Was the world being born what called me...?
At the bottom of the deep sea, I could hear a voice.



hanne
Rivendell

Dec 16 2010, 1:35am

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What would they fight about? [In reply to] Can't Post

"After you."

"No, no, after you."

"I insist, after you."


-- *a short while later* --


"It's nice to see you. Good job with Sauron, Son of Eru."

"Thank you, sir."


-- *pause* --


"Well? Aren't you going to say 'Good job with that White Witch'?"

"Actually sir, it was a good job, but you didn't need to do it yourself. You could have sent me. That's what I'm for!"

"Oh I know, but I like to take a hand myself every now and then. Have some fun with this creation."

"I think you have entirely too much fun with it. Sir."

"RRRRROOOAAARRRRRRR!"


So who won?


StarElf
Rohan

Dec 16 2010, 7:28am

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That was just epic!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Was the world being born what called me...?
At the bottom of the deep sea, I could hear a voice.



Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Dec 17 2010, 8:46pm

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I read it all twice [In reply to] Can't Post

and I found parts of it quite interesting but I never really got into Narnia, Inever really believed in it.

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
New Zealand is Middle-earth & today life is good.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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sevilodorf
Gondor


Dec 17 2010, 11:07pm

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Aslan is Son of the Creator.... Gandalf is a messenger/servant of the creator

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TheNazgul
Rivendell


Dec 28 2010, 7:17am

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Naenia is not as deep or enchanting as LOTR but it is still a good work of fiction, i didnt think id like it but then i read the books and thought it was good. my bet Aslan.

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Airaloske
The Shire


Dec 28 2010, 4:01pm

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Narnia wasn't meant to be as in-depth as LotR. [In reply to] Can't Post

LOTR wasn't written particularly for children. The Narnia books were. Keep this in mind. You wouldn't write three paragraphs discussing the color of the leaves in a children's book; they'd die of boredom. If Narnia seems less in-depth compared to LOTR that's because it is. Kids don't care about the history of the land, they care about the immediate story at hand (granted this is a generalization...you always get the more... interesting kids who actually care about something other than Spongebob Squarepants and shiny flashing noisemaker buttons. Sadly these children often suffer cruelly at the hands of their banal peers, as anything outside the norm is discouraged in most schools). Lack of intricate detail doesn't mean that the story isn't any good, it just means that it was written for a different audience.



StarElf
Rohan

Dec 30 2010, 2:54am

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I could not possibly agree more [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Was the world being born what called me...?
At the bottom of the deep sea, I could hear a voice.



StarElf
Rohan

Dec 30 2010, 3:15am

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Didn't say you'd never read it. [In reply to] Can't Post

That particular response was directed at MacFalk.

Was the world being born what called me...?
At the bottom of the deep sea, I could hear a voice.



(This post was edited by Ataahua on Dec 30 2010, 3:24am)


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Dec 30 2010, 4:16am

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I understood that that particular response was directed at MacFalk. [In reply to] Can't Post

But I was trying to point out that you could read the entire set twice and still think that it has problems.

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
New Zealand is Middle-earth & today life is good.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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StarElf
Rohan

Dec 30 2010, 4:35am

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Re: I understood that that particular response was directed at MacFalk. [In reply to] Can't Post

This also is true----but as Aira said, the two were intended for different audiences and readerships. As such, you can't really use all of the same standards when comparing the two.

Was the world being born what called me...?
At the bottom of the deep sea, I could hear a voice.


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