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macfalk
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Nov 30 2010, 5:35pm

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Exclusive: No Hobbit for Ron Perlman
Ron Perlman confirmed today in an exclusive interview with ComingSoon.net that he will not be appearing in Peter Jackson's two-part adaptation of The Hobbit.

"I'm not doing [it]," Perlman said, adding with a laugh, "I think maybe that's a scoop for you."

Perlman, who has worked closely with director Guillermo del Toro, was heavily rumored to be up for a part in the film. The Hellboy director ended up leaving the project earlier this year due to production delays and it would seem that, likewise, Perlman has made other plans.

In addition to voicing a character in Tangled, Perlman will soon appear opposite Nicolas Cage in Season of the Witch and plans to again work with del Toro in the H.P. Lovecraft adaptation At the Mountains of Madness in addition to a number of other film and television projects. Check back soon for the full interview and more details.

Read more: Exclusive: No Hobbit for Ron Perlman - ComingSoon.net



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.

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Flagg
Tol Eressea


Nov 30 2010, 6:01pm

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I was holding out hope that he'd still be in it, but I can't say this is unexpected. I guess Doug Jones is out of the picture too? Unimpressed


entmaiden
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Nov 30 2010, 6:06pm

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Guillermo did want Perlman for Beorn, and he would have been good in that role. It is a hardship to move to New Zealand for the filming, and while Perlman might have been willing to do that for his long-time friend, maybe he wasn't as interested with Peter Jackson as director.

Of course, it's equally likely that Peter wants someone else, and Perlman wasn't offered the part. Maybe it was a little bit of both!


dormouse
Half-elven

Nov 30 2010, 6:42pm

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Or maybe Perlman..... [In reply to] Can't Post

... is more interested in being available for Guillermo's next film, as they're friends and like to work together.


entmaiden
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Nov 30 2010, 6:55pm

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Hellmistress
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Nov 30 2010, 9:06pm

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It's more likely ... [In reply to] Can't Post

... that Ron simply hasn't been asked, and he now has other commitments. Neither Ron nor Doug have been hanging around awaiting the Hobbit Call, so other projects arise that take precedence. Ron, for example, has a commitment to a further series of SONS OF ANARCHY.

HM


TheGoblinKing
Rohan

Nov 30 2010, 9:23pm

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Ron Pearlmen is too reconizable in voice and as a actor. PJ casts actors based on if they are right for the characters. I always figured PJ would end up directing this and i never see him casting Pearlman anyways. I am also hoping people are showing PJ respect for seem like people are bummed that he is directing the movie.


Hellmistress
Lorien


Nov 30 2010, 9:50pm

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... has always - ALWAYS - done the same - casting actors that are right for the role and NOT because he likes working with them. Although he has actors he uses a lot (as do many other directors, including PJ, Hitchcock, John Ford, Tarantino, Anthony Mann, Scorsese and many others), he would not cast them if they don't fit a role. Ron Perlman has worked on four of Guillermo's films. Less than half of G's total output. Personally, I thought Ron would have made a great Beorn. Unlike PJ's choice of actor for Frodo. But then, we all have our ideas on casting, so there you go.

HM


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Ron Pearlmen is too reconizable in voice and as a actor. PJ casts actors based on if they are right for the characters. I always figured PJ would end up directing this and i never see him casting Pearlman anyways. I am also hoping people are showing PJ respect for seem like people are bummed that he is directing the movie.



SirDennisC
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Nov 30 2010, 11:40pm

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I am also hoping people are showing PJ respect for seem like people are bummed that he is directing the movie.


If people are bummed that PJ is directing, I haven't noticed. I'm not entirely happy he is directing now for a couple reasons: First and foremost is he said he did not want to; and secondly I've spent most of the past two years really digging the idea that GDT wanted to. After seeing his righteous elf work in HB II (Nuada owns), and his epic story telling ability evidenced in The Devil's Backbone and Pan's Labyrinth, I could see no better person for the job that PJ didn't want anyway.

When G left, one of my first questions was what would happen with the people he either brought on board or likely would in future, for instance Mike Mignola, Guillermo Navarro (G2), and of course Doug Jones and Ron Perlman. As HM says, DJ and RP were not waiting around for parts -- though at one time it was a better than fair guess they would be in TH because GDT said as much. Now they are not under consideration, are too busy, and/or are no longer interested (assuming they ever were). As for Mignola and G2? Still wondering what the future holds for them. Both are listed for THI: MM for conceptual designer -- work which should be, for the most part, already finished -- and G2 as cinematographer. Interestingly, G2 is listed on Twilight: Breaking Dawn I&II, THI, and GDT's next project ATMOM. I wonder if THI (which is to be shot in tandem with THII) is still accurate?

As for respect? PJ earned our respect with LOTR (well for most of us) and, for many, with KK as well; he earned further respect (given his lack of desire to direct at the time) when he appointed GDT TH director; and finally he confirmed his legendary eye for talent when he backed Blomkamp and District 9.

However -- perhaps since officially he hasn't been in TH director's chair for long -- he hasn't really spoken to Hobbit fans all that much. In fact the most we have heard from him directly (and candidly) was during the "union troubles" in his bid to stir support for his position and national industry.

There is still time for him to create a more open dialogue but based on the way he has operated so far, I wouldn't count on it happening. It may be just his style and I'm OK with that. But respect once earned also has to be maintained somehow. Perhaps when stories start floating in from the set and we can see our old friend in action his respect-o-meter will be replenished?




Kangi Ska
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Dec 1 2010, 12:07am

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I agree with all you say here. I would add that I got trounced here for asking the Question: Have we lost Peter? I still sense a distinct difference in Peter's behavior now and even his behavior during King Kong. He is much more the business executive and much less the fan-boy into making film for the sheer joy of it. This seems to include a distancing from the fan base and fewer instances of him behaving like a merely mortal human being in a ratty sweat shirt. Good or bad? I am not judging. I like GdT for the same reasons I was drawn to PJ. He is someone who is really in love with what he is doing. He is open, caring, sharing and exuberant about life. Ya gotta love him! Peter has become a somewhat unknown quantity. I am sure what ever he does with the Hobbit will be brilliant but at this point we really haven't got a real idea of just what that might be.

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Ataahua
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Dec 1 2010, 12:27am

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The PJ we know and love now [In reply to] Can't Post

only came to prominence once promotion for FOTR began and, of course, when the first extended DVD came out and we got to gorge on the appendices. Before filming began he played his cards close to his chest - as he's doing now.

So Pete hasn't changed; he's just in a different part of his publicity cycle.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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TheGoblinKing
Rohan

Dec 1 2010, 2:40am

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Peter has had much to deal with on this production and also had Tin Tin on his plate. He however has said once be went back story wise in middle earth that he felt at home again and wasn't expecting that.
So I think Peter is a person who plans out everything in his head before he writes and maybe he is in creative mode where he is less press talky


Owain
Tol Eressea


Dec 1 2010, 2:49am

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Peter hasn't changed in approachability or creativity. He has lost a lot of weight. Wink

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Intergalactic Lawman
Rohan

Dec 1 2010, 3:38am

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I'm actually glad he wont be.


mae govannen
Tol Eressea


Dec 1 2010, 8:48am

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Quite correct and useful reminder! [In reply to] Can't Post

Now that I think of it, it is mostly through the appendices/supplements that we came to get that feeling of closeness and familiarity with PJ. And when he himself came to mention TORn in some public occasions, notably at the time of the Oscars etc.
I for one still have myself the same respect and love for him anyway.

'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)


mae govannen
Tol Eressea


Dec 1 2010, 8:54am

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a lot of difference in his image: being slimmer again, he looks less like the chubby nice guy and more like a gentleman - although to me not a businessman, he is much too special a human being for ever becoming that, I would say.

'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)


Kangi Ska
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Dec 1 2010, 8:55am

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Peter has changed.

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(This post was edited by Kangi Ska on Dec 1 2010, 8:56am)


lurtz2010
Rohan

Dec 1 2010, 9:29am

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I saw Bad Taste a few years ago, I went with my dad to one of the actors called Pete O'Herne's house because he was getting a loan (my dad had a finance business) and since he was still friends with PJ we were talking about LOTR with him and then he started talking about PJ's old movies and one with him in that was Bad Taste so me and my dad rented it that night and it was so weird seeing how far PJ has come. This was back in 2002 and only FOTR had come out and seeing that PJ had gone from Bad Taste to a movie like FOTR made me laugh. I only just watched Brain Dead about 2 months ago because I downloaded it and that was just as screwed up as Bad Taste but they were good comedy movies.


Eruthurin
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Dec 1 2010, 1:27pm

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Hellboy III!.... [In reply to] Can't Post

Although I would love to see Perlman as Beorn in The Hobbit, if he and GDT say "Let's make HB III" I will be more than happy!.... :)

:: All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you ::

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Flagg
Tol Eressea


Dec 1 2010, 3:00pm

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Guillermo's filming At the Mountains of Madness (which will star Ron Perlman in a supporting role) this summer, so it'll be another year or two before he's ready to start work on his next film after that. Guillermo's said he'd love to do Hellboy III at some point, but Perlman wasn't willing to reprise the role because of how uncomforable the prosthetics are. However, Perlman is reconsidering his position after seeing an online petition with thousands of signatures asking for his return.


Jettorex
Lorien


Dec 1 2010, 4:21pm

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Hi HM [In reply to] Can't Post

RP would have been good as beorn, But Doug would have been absolutely an inspired and brilliant pick for Thranduil, IMHO


- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."





Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Dec 1 2010, 4:34pm

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TH and AtMoM will both be filming in 2011, that wouldn't have stopped Pearlman from doing it; after all, he's not the lead in either project, and Martin Freeman's doing two projects at once.

Probably, as with Brian Cox, PJ's vision for the character just didn't jive with GtD's. Too bad, really, because IMO Cox would have made a perfect Thorin and Pearlman would have been great for Beorn and/or the Great Goblin.

Or it could be that Ron was nervous about jumping on-board another successful franchise. After all, he did "Alien: Ressurection" and "Star Trek: Nemesis" and look how those turned out! Tongue

Samuel L. Jackson for Bilbo, Woody Allen for Thorin, Lewis Black for Bard and Gilbert Gottfried for Smaug!

MAKE IT HAPPEN, PETER!!!

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Hellmistress
Lorien


Dec 1 2010, 5:41pm

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Ron ... [In reply to] Can't Post

... has a big-time commitment to SONS OF ANARCHY, which will take up a bunch of his time. And this is Ron's decision, no one else's.

HM


(This post was edited by Hellmistress on Dec 1 2010, 5:42pm)


Hellmistress
Lorien


Dec 1 2010, 5:46pm

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I'd agree with you ... [In reply to] Can't Post

... but Guillermo had something else in mind. Whether Doug will be involved in TH ... I have no idea as Doug hasn't been contacted regarding the project. But that's okay - he has lots of other projects on his plate. Cool

HM


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RP would have been good as beorn, But Doug would have been absolutely an inspired and brilliant pick for Thranduil, IMHO



Ataahua
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Dec 1 2010, 6:48pm

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So have I [In reply to] Can't Post

over that number of years! Even over the last 10 years there will of course be some changes in PJ - I doubt anyone remains unchanged over the course of a decade - but I doubt that the essence or attitude of Pete is any different from what it was before filming on FOTR began.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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