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Wraith Buster
Gondor


Nov 15 2010, 12:50am

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Since the trolls turned to stone when the sun came up do you think there should be some lighting effect that makes the end of the tension of almost being caught and killed on the end of the dwarves and Bilbo more climactic? Or do you think that it is good enough without any special additions? Discuss.

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Kangi Ska
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Nov 15 2010, 12:53am

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Like a "POOF" they are stone? // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Wraith Buster
Gondor


Nov 15 2010, 1:30am

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Uummm [In reply to] Can't Post

More like an intensity in the lighting, they turn to stone and then slowly the lighting goes back to normal.

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TheGoblinKing
Rohan

Nov 15 2010, 1:52am

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I think They Turn To Stone [In reply to] Can't Post

Because it has something to do with them existing before the sun and it paralyzes them into a like sleep state and they appear like stone maybe because was what they came from


N.E. Brigand
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Nov 15 2010, 3:39am

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No supposition necessary. [In reply to] Can't Post

Tolkien makes it quite clear: "trolls, as you probably know, must be underground before dawn, or they go back to the stuff of the mountains they are made of, and never move again".

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TheGoblinKing
Rohan

Nov 15 2010, 3:47am

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Its Like All Troll Fantasy Myth [In reply to] Can't Post

Its just Tolkien came up with it First. Trolls turn to Stone needs no explantion for me for i expect them too. I also can except they can be in light if cloudy where is no sun.


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Nov 15 2010, 12:46pm

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How about a huge flash of electric light... [In reply to] Can't Post

...and then this starts to play. Wink

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FarFromHome
Valinor


Nov 15 2010, 1:31pm

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if Tolkien really did come up with it first. His ideas may seem original to fantasy readers, but to folklorists they all hark back, one way or another, to traditional beliefs. Trolls turning to stone go back to Norse mythology, it seems:
"Numerous tales about trolls are recorded, in which they are frequently described as being extremely old, very strong, but slow and dim-witted. They are sometimes described as man-eaters and as turning to stone upon contact with sunlight..."
(From the Wikipedia article on Trolls)


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FarFromHome
Valinor


Nov 15 2010, 1:34pm

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I imagine red dawn light [In reply to] Can't Post

slowly creeping in from the edge of the frame, so we don't notice it at first. When it hits the trolls, POOF!, just the way Bilbo tells it at the Party.

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Darkstone
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Nov 15 2010, 2:36pm

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Well [In reply to] Can't Post

It could be either a playful humorous take ("Wha...? Uh-oh." *poof* ) or else horribly grotesque (Trolls writhe and scream in terrible agony as their skin painfully cracks and bulges and slowly hardens.)

But knowing Jackson, he'll probably do a combination of both.

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Earl
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Nov 15 2010, 2:52pm

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I also think... [In reply to] Can't Post

... part of the drama will come from Gandalf shouting "Dawn take you all and be stone to you!" or some variation of that. I wouldn't be surprised if he comes forth with his blazing staff so as to make the Trolls' turning to stone a somewhat ambiguous aspect Crazy



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Nov 15 2010, 3:19pm

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You just couldn't resist, could you?

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mendil
Rivendell


Nov 15 2010, 3:33pm

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It's been done so many times [In reply to] Can't Post

People-turning-into-stone is an effect that's been done many times in the movies. I believe that the biggest concern when they design this effect is doing it in a way that seems new and exciting, and not derivative. So we may see something surprising here. For example, we might see a visible magical effect where sunlight touches their skins directly, which then spreads across their bodies (explaining why they turn to stone even where the sun don't shine.) It's a climactic scene and major plot-point, so I predict it will be anything but "the usual".

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TheGoblinKing
Rohan

Nov 15 2010, 3:44pm

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They gotta also be in the same possition they end up looking like in The Fellowship Of The Ring. Also I think they can change the Gandalf just appears and being a keeper of light just turns them to stone. I just don't think we need to see Gandalf trying to keep they other Trolls busy by mocking there voices.

In The Bass cartoon he just appears as the sun rises and they Turn to Stone which works for me without the whole keeping them busy deal


Junesong
Rivendell


Nov 15 2010, 4:03pm

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"The same as FOTR" [In reply to] Can't Post

I've been meaning to ask this for a while and this thread seems relevant (enough) to bring it up.

To what lengths do you think PJ and Co. will go to recreate the Hobbit events seen in Fellowship?

I know they are looking for a seamless transition but I'm wondering if they will replicate the trolls from Fellowship exactly right down to positioning etc - so that you can watch both movies side by side and they'll be the same?

My main thought was of the shot of Ian Holm finding the ring in the prologue - is that Martin Freeman's wardrobe we're seeing there? Will they have to shoot Bilbo's finding of the ring to mirror that shot?

Is that necessary? Or do you think they'll just let The Hobbit be it's own take on events by perhaps letting Holm narrate - allowing them to change things slightly as it's just his recollections?

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TheGoblinKing
Rohan

Nov 15 2010, 4:06pm

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Bilbos [In reply to] Can't Post

Can be altered really for he falls down trying to escape the Goblins down in the cave. It can look simular to it without copying it. The Trolls gotta look the same for they were frozen in that Spot basically.


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Nov 15 2010, 5:01pm

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I would prefer [In reply to] Can't Post

for the trolls to be frozen mid-argument. They should never realise what's happening to them. The sunlight should peek over the treetops, and we should see it in the scene's background, gradually driving the shadows away, and as soon as it touches the trolls, poof. They instantly become stone. Maybe one of them could realise what's happening a fraction of a second before being fossilised, and his eyes could widen slightly in shock.


macfalk
Valinor


Nov 15 2010, 5:25pm

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shadowdog
Rohan

Nov 15 2010, 5:42pm

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agree [In reply to] Can't Post

And I don't think it would be too far out to have Gandalf return and keep them arguing until the sun came up. After all, if they were arguing among themselves it would seem odd that they didn't move out of the way of the sunrise.


TheGoblinKing
Rohan

Nov 15 2010, 6:31pm

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You Can use [In reply to] Can't Post

That Gandalf being a Spirit Caused the Sun To Rise at that moment and make it a surprise to the Trolls. But then again it be hard to explain why Gandalf just didn't cause sun to appear and change the Trolls at Gondor to stone


Patty
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Nov 15 2010, 6:36pm

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It would be neat if they use the same sound effects that are used... [In reply to] Can't Post

on the BBC audio of The Hobbit. It sounds like what you would expect stone to sound like if it made a sound.

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Nov 15 2010, 7:03pm

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I believe the trolls at Pelennor [In reply to] Can't Post

could walk in the daylight. It was only the stone trolls that could not be in daylight.


TheGoblinKing
Rohan

Nov 15 2010, 7:21pm

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You Mean [In reply to] Can't Post

Cave Trolls for thats what The 3 Trolls were. I d think Mordor Trolls were protected by The Eyes Power. I think it will be odd for people who know nothing about Tolkien. But I am a big fantasy buff so a Troll turning to Stone is just normal.


N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Nov 15 2010, 7:24pm

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At the Morannon too. [In reply to] Can't Post

But Tolkien is never clear about what if anything differentiates stone-trolls from cave-trolls or hill-trolls or other types. This passage, from Appendix F of LOTR, is probably the most helpful:


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Trolls. Troll has been used to translate the Sindarin Torog. In their beginning far back in the twilight of the Elder Days, these were creatures of dull and lumpish nature and had no more language than beasts. But Sauron had made use of them, teaching them what little they could learn, and increasing their wits with wickedness. Trolls therefore took such language as they could master from the Orcs; and in the Westlands the Stone-trolls spoke a debased form of the Common Speech. But at the end of the Third Age a troll-race not before seen appeared in southern Mirkwood and in the mountain borders of Mordor. Olog-hai they were called in the Black Speech. That Sauron bred them none doubted, though from what stock was not known. Some held that they were not Trolls but giant Orcs; but the Olog-hai were in fashion of body and mind quite unlike even the largest of Orc-kind, whom they far surpassed in size and power. Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race, strong, agile, fierce and cunning, but harder than stone. Unlike the older race of the Twilight they could endure the Sun, so long as the will of Sauron held sway over them. They spoke little, and the only tongue that they knew was the Black Speech of Barad-d√Ľr.


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N.E. Brigand
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Nov 15 2010, 7:30pm

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How about off-camera? [In reply to] Can't Post

We see the trolls arguing, and hear Gandalf say, in his own voice and from the side, "Dawn take you all, and be stone to you!" Cut to a close-up of Bilbo turning perplexed toward the sound of Gandalf's voice. Cut back to the trolls, who are now stone.

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