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My concerns

Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Oct 29 2010, 6:31am


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I must say, that as a lawyer, I am quite uneasy about this bill. My concern is this. In my experience, there are a number of factors that are considered in determining whether a worker is an employee or an independent contractor. Among those factors are, of course, how the parties define the relationship, and what the standard practice for workers in the industry is. But by far the most important factor is the degree of control that the employer has over the worker. In many circumstances, if an employer sets standard hours that the worker must do her work, requires that the work be done on site, requires that the worker use its equipment rather than her own equipment, and has the right to determine exactly how the worker has to perform his tasks, the worker is determined to be an employee, even if the parties define the relationship as a contractor relationship, particularly if the person is hired for an indefinite period or a very extended definite period, and the worker works exclusively for that employer. From the little that I have seen, it appears that the general law normally is not that different from that in New Zealand. What this new law does is set up a situation where workers in this one industry must be defined as contractors no matter how many factors weigh in favor of them being employees, unless the parties specifically agree to define the worker as employees. I think that is too rigid without any provision built in to allow for exceptions. I am also concerned -- as Gandalf's Mother previously posted as well -- that the thing is being rushed through so quickly that it is not allowing a regulatory impact statement to be prepared.

I fear this law will cause more problems then it will solve.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

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NZ Parliament TV live cameragod Send a private message to cameragod Oct 28 2010, 2:24am
    Thanks for the link, cameragod! // Richie Rich Send a private message to Richie Rich Oct 28 2010, 2:25am
    Listening now// Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 2:31am
    So this is what we're reduced to, Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Oct 28 2010, 2:44am
        Glug! ;-) // Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Oct 28 2010, 3:02am
        Wow... they are using Avatar as an analogy to argue... the meeting needs to end.// Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 8:20am
    Loving it! Gildor Send a private message to Gildor Oct 28 2010, 2:46am
        Wow duats Send a private message to duats Oct 28 2010, 2:48am
        It's Live! Gildor Send a private message to Gildor Oct 28 2010, 2:48am
            Greens! Gildor Send a private message to Gildor Oct 28 2010, 2:53am
                It's fascinating listening to another sovereign government debate. Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 3:04am
    WOW!!! Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Oct 28 2010, 3:06am
    A representative just said that the "documentaries" that will go on the dvds... Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 3:08am
    Brinkmanship... yeah I had to look it up. Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 3:42am
        Um... duats Send a private message to duats Oct 28 2010, 3:56am
            No... the amendment was denied... the motion was passed. Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 3:58am
                Could you explain that to me? duats Send a private message to duats Oct 28 2010, 4:00am
                    As I understand it thus far... many were calling for amendments to the proposed bill. Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 4:01am
                        Okay duats Send a private message to duats Oct 28 2010, 4:05am
                            That's based on what I've heard so far... Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 4:07am
                                I think it takes three readings before a Bill passes into law. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Oct 28 2010, 4:17am
                                    Good to know! So they passed it under the first reading? Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 4:19am
                                        This is great duats Send a private message to duats Oct 28 2010, 4:21am
                                            Entertaining to be sure... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Oct 28 2010, 4:27am
                                                She just called Simon Whipp a "chappie". Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 4:40am
                                                    They are STILL goin' at it? // Richie Rich Send a private message to Richie Rich Oct 28 2010, 4:41am
                                                        Oh yes... apparently... there are 3 rounds/readings. We are on round/reading 2.// Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 4:42am
                                                            Jeez... Richie Rich Send a private message to Richie Rich Oct 28 2010, 4:44am
                                                                Here is a rundown of how a bill becomes law in New Zealand. Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 4:46am
                                                                    I'll be sure to add that to my list of "fun things to read", Owain! // Richie Rich Send a private message to Richie Rich Oct 28 2010, 4:50am
                                                                        Quite informative to the current debate.// Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 4:58am
                                                                    I presume Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Oct 28 2010, 4:56am
                                                                        But what if they have to pee!? Richie Rich Send a private message to Richie Rich Oct 28 2010, 4:57am
                                                                        I believe you presume correctly... which is why the opposition seems.... Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 4:58am
                                                        One of the parties just called a party a scab... ouch. Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 5:00am
                                                            Maybe Helen Kelly could help them with that, tehehe // Richie Rich Send a private message to Richie Rich Oct 28 2010, 5:01am
                                                            And the speaker recommended they eat something... they are breaking for an hour and a half. Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 5:01am
                                                                Hook me up, mate Richie Rich Send a private message to Richie Rich Oct 28 2010, 5:03am
                                                                    Have some nachos, Richie. Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 5:24am
                                                                        Okay, so I don't know what's up with that cheese, but... Richie Rich Send a private message to Richie Rich Oct 28 2010, 5:27am
                                                                            LOL! I know right? It looks like it's oozing radiation... Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 5:29am
                                                                                Motion passed for second reading duats Send a private message to duats Oct 28 2010, 6:58am
                                                                                    Sweet!!!// Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 7:18am
                                                                                    I wonder how many times the word Hobbit has been spoken in parliment today.// Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 7:22am
                                                            That's hilarious... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Oct 28 2010, 5:03am
                                                        C'mon... bring on the Royal Ascent.// Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 8:03am
                                    Haha! This guy just said another party member was mad because he didn't get ... Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 8:12am
                                        Good debate, but ....... mulubinba Send a private message to mulubinba Oct 28 2010, 8:20am
                                            They are voting... Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 8:22am
                                                Voting.... mulubinba Send a private message to mulubinba Oct 28 2010, 8:24am
                                                    Days and dates, days and dates... oh god... they are using Avatar to prove their point again.// Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 8:25am
                                                They just voted that Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Oct 28 2010, 8:26am
                                                    We are in the 3rd Reading right?// Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 8:27am
                                                        Yes, 3rd reading. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Oct 28 2010, 8:31am
                                                            Not complaining... find it all rather amusing. Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 8:32am
                                                            Wow... this one politician is reminiscing about a bit part he had in the 70s... Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 8:33am
                                                                Fictitious protest!!! mulubinba Send a private message to mulubinba Oct 28 2010, 8:38am
                                                                    Wow... they are recommending people to act about the film that will result from... Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 8:43am
                                                                        I love NZ politics. This sounds wonderful. // Ainu Laire Send a private message to Ainu Laire Oct 28 2010, 9:05am
                                                    They really liked Avatar!// Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 8:28am
                                                    He's reading a passage from The Hobbit. Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 8:29am
                                                        That is so geeky. dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Oct 28 2010, 10:16am
                                                            I will second that! Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Oct 28 2010, 10:39am
                                                                Aye! // dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Oct 28 2010, 1:54pm
                                                                Is a copy of the legislation publicly available? Gandalf'sMother Oct 28 2010, 4:26pm
                                                                    Yes, this is it Eledhwen Send a private message to Eledhwen Oct 28 2010, 8:43pm
                                                                Aye, // macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Oct 28 2010, 6:37pm
                                                                Aye! Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 7:16pm
                                                                AYE!!! // Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Oct 29 2010, 6:53am
                                            So... Gandalf'sMother Oct 28 2010, 7:24pm
                                                Just because you think Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Oct 28 2010, 7:52pm
                                                    Flagg, you make me smile. // Richie Rich Send a private message to Richie Rich Oct 28 2010, 7:53pm
                                                        With no disrespect to our Kiwi members duats Send a private message to duats Oct 28 2010, 8:00pm
                                                            There was a great Tom Scott cartoon Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Oct 28 2010, 8:31pm
                                                    Apocalypse? Gildor Send a private message to Gildor Oct 29 2010, 2:21am
                                                        At this point, SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Oct 29 2010, 4:45am
                                                            And... Gildor Send a private message to Gildor Oct 29 2010, 4:55am
                                                            Not aspersions Gildor Send a private message to Gildor Oct 29 2010, 5:09am
                                                                Yes, at times, SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Oct 29 2010, 5:19am
                                                                    Out of curioisty: why are they not posting? Gandalf'sMother Oct 29 2010, 6:02am
                                                                Just to clarify Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Oct 29 2010, 3:49pm
                                                        Most of your posts clearly show bias too. Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Oct 29 2010, 10:37am
                and now Gildor Send a private message to Gildor Oct 28 2010, 4:01am
    This is very entertaining. Elentari03 Send a private message to Elentari03 Oct 28 2010, 4:46am
    Here is the Bill. Moahunter Send a private message to Moahunter Oct 28 2010, 4:49am
        Interesting part of the bill (which is simply the amendment of a previous law) Gandalf'sMother Oct 28 2010, 7:30pm
            No, not really Tim Send a private message to Tim Oct 28 2010, 8:06pm
            I'm puzzled. Moahunter Send a private message to Moahunter Oct 28 2010, 8:37pm
            Not really Eledhwen Send a private message to Eledhwen Oct 28 2010, 8:39pm
                Exactly shadowdog Send a private message to shadowdog Oct 28 2010, 8:49pm
    Does anyone know if these debates are being archived... Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 7:48am
        This is why I don't get involved in politics duats Send a private message to duats Oct 28 2010, 7:49am
            I think what it reveals is that while the truth sets us free... Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 7:52am
                Perspective Gildor Send a private message to Gildor Oct 29 2010, 2:25am
            It makes me think of this quote Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Oct 28 2010, 8:02am
    Wow... one of the representatives just said she thinks of herself as an elf.// Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 7:59am
        I really hope they use this for the dvd. Priceless stuff.// Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 8:00am
    The Hobbit in Parliament part 2 cameragod Send a private message to cameragod Oct 28 2010, 7:52pm
        LOL! // Tim Send a private message to Tim Oct 28 2010, 8:13pm
        It does me joy to know that politicians all around the world are ridiculous. *snifff* // Ainu Laire Send a private message to Ainu Laire Oct 28 2010, 8:22pm
        Voting again.// Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 9:26pm
            Keep us posted, bud! // Richie Rich Send a private message to Richie Rich Oct 28 2010, 9:28pm
                Still moving through the amendments to the amendment.// Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 9:29pm
                Ooooh... Party member is all hot and bothered about the drafting of the bill.// Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 9:30pm
                Mmmm they're getting out the measuring sticks now. Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 28 2010, 9:32pm
                    Sheesh....kids these days! // Richie Rich Send a private message to Richie Rich Oct 28 2010, 9:37pm
                    Interesting Tim Send a private message to Tim Oct 28 2010, 9:49pm
        *lol* Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Oct 29 2010, 6:55am
    It passed. // Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Oct 29 2010, 12:23am
        I thought it had as well... but why are they coming back in again after lunch?// Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 29 2010, 12:23am
            Maybe... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Oct 29 2010, 12:27am
                Got it. Thanks!// Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 29 2010, 12:28am
        Ah yes it did! A link from TVNZ Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 29 2010, 12:27am
        Good, I looked it over Tim Send a private message to Tim Oct 29 2010, 12:29am
            Maybe you're not reading closely enough Gildor Send a private message to Gildor Oct 29 2010, 2:36am
                Look I'm no lawyer Tim Send a private message to Tim Oct 29 2010, 2:50am
                    I feel... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Oct 29 2010, 3:04am
                        If it makes you feel any better Tim Send a private message to Tim Oct 29 2010, 3:07am
                    My concerns Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Oct 29 2010, 6:31am
                        Thanks Gildor Send a private message to Gildor Oct 29 2010, 3:17pm
                        Thank you, Voronwe Gandalf'sMother Oct 29 2010, 3:33pm
                            My thoughts Rosie-with-the-ribbons Send a private message to Rosie-with-the-ribbons Oct 29 2010, 8:03pm
                                Ok cameragod Send a private message to cameragod Oct 29 2010, 8:36pm
                                In a limited market you have limited choices Gildor Send a private message to Gildor Oct 30 2010, 2:42am
                        Being a contractor cameragod Send a private message to cameragod Oct 29 2010, 7:23pm
                        Well said (as usual) but I disagree to some extent Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Oct 30 2010, 6:08pm
                            I'm sorry, but it's simply not true that in the U.S. having a written contract guarantees that says that a person is an independent contractor is one Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Oct 30 2010, 7:19pm
                                And really, that is a key issue when it comes to actors: SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Oct 30 2010, 8:23pm
                                **Off-topic, slightly heated sub-thread removed** and an announcement inside Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Oct 31 2010, 12:03am
                        Thank you, Voronwe Gandalf'sMother Nov 3 2010, 7:20am
                    I think you're right about party lines voting Eledhwen Send a private message to Eledhwen Oct 29 2010, 7:05am

 
 
 

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