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Hobbit Stays in New Zealand!!!
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Gandalf'sMother
Rohan

Oct 27 2010, 1:14pm

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Warners strong-armed the NZ government into changing its laws in a way that makes it easier for Warners to underpay, under-treat, and under-give-a-flying-#$%^ for Kiwis working on its films! You really believe that this agreement to "strategically partner" with the NZ government is some kind of major concession which shows they have heart?

I am pleased that these films will be made in NZ, and I am happy that all the Kiwis who feared for their jobs will keep them. However, the cost of doing so was, IMO, unacceptable. I think the NZ governemnt should have driven a much harder bargain. They capitulated in a way that is nearly unforgivable.


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Evernight
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Oct 27 2010, 1:16pm

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Let me use some words from The Silmarillion... [In reply to] Can't Post

Then when Sir Peter Jackson heard afar the announcement of Prime Minister John Key, the shadow passed and his heart was uplifted, and he shouted aloud: "Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári (ar Periannath), utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men (and Halflings), the day has come!" And all those who heard his great voice echo in the hills answered crying: "Auta i lóme! The night is passing!"

In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit...

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Gandalf'sMother
Rohan

Oct 27 2010, 1:18pm

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Fascinating response. Thanks! :-)


Gandalf'sMother
Rohan

Oct 27 2010, 1:19pm

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This is nothing to romanticize. It was an ugly deal to keep the Hobbit in NZ. I am happy about the film being in NZ, but not happy about what the government gave up in order to do so. An insult to democracy if I ever saw one.


Ethel Duath
Half-elven


Oct 27 2010, 1:25pm

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annarepp
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Oct 27 2010, 1:25pm

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Yaaaaay! Woo-hooooo!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

I could almost cry, that's how happy I am!!!! the Middle-earth is saved!!!


Tim
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Oct 27 2010, 1:25pm

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Well it's about time, congrats New Zealand. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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deej
Tol Eressea


Oct 27 2010, 1:25pm

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Looks like Fiesta has come early to the TORn boards. Cool




Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 27 2010, 1:27pm

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...the laws wouldn't have been changed if the unions hadn't interfered with their disgraceful boycott. I hope Simon Whipp and Helen Kelly are proud of themselves. Look what they've achieved! And this will do wonders for their public relations, too! Smile


Ethel Duath
Half-elven


Oct 27 2010, 1:27pm

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No bread though-- [In reply to] Can't Post

the Cheese Sandwich is over.SmileWink


dormouse
Half-elven

Oct 27 2010, 1:29pm

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This is nothing to romanticize. It was an ugly deal to keep the Hobbit in NZ. I am happy about the film being in NZ, but not happy about what the government gave up in order to do so. An insult to democracy if I ever saw one.


How is it that the New Zealanders on this board and elsewhere don't seem to think so? They seem pretty happy, not just for this film and the people who will work on it but for the wider implications for their country. I reckon they know their own business better than anyone else.

This is good news and an insult to nobody.


Ethel Duath
Half-elven


Oct 27 2010, 1:33pm

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Yes, Perfect! *Joins in leaping around on the picnic table, and . . . [In reply to] Can't Post

 falls off the end in a heap.* ShockedLaughLaugh


Hamfast
Rohan


Oct 27 2010, 1:33pm

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It's 6:30 am in California..... [In reply to] Can't Post

.....and I am ready to party!!!!!! A fantastic piece of news to wake up to. Congrats to PJ,WETA,and the Kiwi's ! And thanks to TORn for all the hard work ! Cheers!


Ainu Laire
Tol Eressea


Oct 27 2010, 1:42pm

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No need for pessimism today, G-M! [In reply to] Can't Post

If the NZ people are not happy with their government's decision, they'll decide with their vote.

Now turn that frown upside-down and save your Debbie Downer thoughts for tomorrow, today is a happy day ;P

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Ainu Laire
Tol Eressea


Oct 27 2010, 1:43pm

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Californian here got no sleepI [In reply to] Can't Post

I was simply too excited about the news. :D

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Ethel Duath
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Oct 27 2010, 1:45pm

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Eruthurin
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Oct 27 2010, 1:45pm

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Ainu Laire
Tol Eressea


Oct 27 2010, 1:48pm

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Well, looking at the workers of Weta and their response, I'd say the workers are happy [In reply to] Can't Post

If the voting people- most in the working class- are unhappy, they will speak with their vote when it comes to re-election time.

Now please, enough political crusading and celebrate, or at least save the 'glass is half-empty' thoughts for tomorrow ;P New Zealand can take care of itself.

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Samuel Walters
Bree


Oct 27 2010, 1:49pm

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The MEAA and NZAE committed a tactical blunder of unprecedented proportions by precipitating a move for legislation that will further strip workers of their rights. The clarification of employees vs. independent contractors will now ensure that even if someone is, in practice, an employee, a mere label can fix them as independent contractors, thereby stripping them of their rights.

Warners has strong-armed the New Zealand government in one of the most unprecedented displays of corporate power over government that I have seen in a long time.

And we are pleased as punch because our little movie gets to be made in New Zealand. This deal has serious long-term consequences for people across the country - primarily consequences that benefit only the studios - and we are expected to celebrate in the streets?

The amazing one-sidedness being displayed by the media on this issue is vomit-inducing.



I'm sorry indeed that workers' rights may be limited by this action. But considering those workers -- or at least their representatives -- were willing to put the livelihoods of thousands at risk, through a thoroughly unnecessary and damaging labor action, I can't say that I'm entirely sympathetic. There's a right way and a wrong way to go about achieving one's goals. The wrong way has severe consequences.

But this deal is, in fact, good news, considering the long-term benefits that producing The Hobbit in New Zealand will have for the country. Without the current sacrifices, the long-term viability of the NZ film industry would have been in severe jeopardy. Now the industry will be safeguarded for the future, at a cost to those who put the industry in harm's way to begin with -- that's the risk of empowering individuals to speak for a group. So yes, people are celebrating. Having The Hobbit in NZ is, obviously, a matter of national pride. Today is not the day to rain on the parade.

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balinman
Rivendell


Oct 27 2010, 1:52pm

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great day to be a hobbitCool


ranger123
Rivendell


Oct 27 2010, 2:05pm

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Warners strong-armed the NZ government into changing its laws in a way that makes it easier for Warners to underpay, under-treat, and under-give-a-flying-#$%^ for Kiwis working on its films!

What?

NZ actors will be paid way above SAG minimums on The Hobbt. The average weekly wage I heard for Kiwi actors that signed contracts is $5,000.

And for the first time in decades Warners are offering NZ actors residuals.

The change in the law is about a clarification of the difference between a contracted worker and an employee to reduce the risk of future potential lawsuits.

Don't forget that all of this only came about as a result of the MEAA blacklisting The Hobbit.





(This post was edited by ranger123 on Oct 27 2010, 2:08pm)


Darkstone
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Oct 27 2010, 2:05pm

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Altaira
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Oct 27 2010, 2:34pm

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What wonderful news to wake up to!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

I suspected something was up when I saw not one, but two threads set ON FIRE overnight! LaughLaugh

HUGE congratulations to PJ, Richard Taylor, Mr. Key, and all the fine Kiwis who fought for this and showed their support in whatever way they could.

*lump in throat* A proud day for Kiwi's, indeed!!


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Hamfast
Rohan


Oct 27 2010, 2:43pm

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I wanted to stay up, but [In reply to] Can't Post

I was nodding off at the keyboard and I knew fine folks like yourself would stay up and keep watch. By the way, well said regarding negative nellie, or debbie downer....I have faith that PJ, Warner Bros. and the Kiwi government want their workers treated fairly (and paid fairly). Today is a day of celebration! I plan on speeding through the day so I can get home, log on to TORn and see more good news........like a statement from Sir Peter perhaps? Cheers!


shadowdog
Rohan

Oct 27 2010, 2:43pm

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here in the west and I wake up to some great news!!!! CoolEvil

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