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Prime Minister headed in for round two!
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
Ronilav


Oct 27 2010, 1:55am

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'Very blustery' might be understating it for some, based on the weather map. :/ {NT} [In reply to] Can't Post



Gandalf'sMother
NahoR

Oct 27 2010, 1:57am

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Drawn out? [In reply to] Can't Post

This is only the second day of negotiations with the PM...

Not everything operates on the principles of Easy-Bake Microwavable Mac and Cheese. Smile


Donry
Aessere Lot


Oct 27 2010, 2:01am

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I'm at work for another couple of hours.... [In reply to] Can't Post

and will therefore be up for another several hours....I'll check in whenever I can to see how things are going!

What's the matter, James? No glib remark? No pithy comeback?"


Eruwestial37
NahoR

Oct 27 2010, 2:04am

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MMmm good! Thanks! [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Eruwestial37
NahoR

Oct 27 2010, 2:05am

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We had a small tornado this morning. I'd call that extra blustery.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Eowyn of Penns Woods
Ronilav


Oct 27 2010, 2:16am

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Yep, and there are Tornado Watches up until about 4 a.m. in my region.// [In reply to] Can't Post



Glaurung63
Neirol

Oct 27 2010, 2:20am

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crossing fingers... [In reply to] Can't Post

hope they can come to terms....the studio will want tax breaks, the govt. should suck it up and reap the benefits of future billions spent there that are taxable.....they probably don't want to set a precedent where other studios think they can strong arm them, but if productions can move globally, then they need to do what it takes to bring them to NZ.....In NYC I see this all the time....tax breaks to keep productions in the city....films will be shot where it is cheap, just like other businesses in the global economy....which of course can hurt local businesses when a production moves....


Richie Rich
Llednevir


Oct 27 2010, 2:25am

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It's a bit of a juggling act [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm glad that John Key is at least open to the idea about giving a bit more tax breaks, but there must be a line drawn. It is, after all, the New Zealand taxpayers that end up on the short end of the stick. Yes it's true in the long run they'd easily make the money back, but at some point they simply must put their foot down and say enough is enough. There's also a bit of pride involved I think; Kiwis certainly don't want to be seen as an American production company's lap dog.


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PM John Key: 'We have the capacity to move a little bit, but we don't have the capacity to write out cheques that we can't afford to cash.'




(This post was edited by Richie Rich on Oct 27 2010, 2:28am)


Ruijor
NahoR


Oct 27 2010, 2:31am

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P.M. KEY vs The WARNER´s Gang [In reply to] Can't Post

Round Two... FIGHT! Laugh


Richie Rich
Llednevir


Oct 27 2010, 2:33am

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There's been enough fighting! [In reply to] Can't Post

It's time for some love. Heart



Ruijor
NahoR


Oct 27 2010, 2:41am

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Yeah you´re right... [In reply to] Can't Post

I hope they take of their ties and go to a pub all together to celebrate New Zealand as Middle Earth once and again! Angelic


Junesong
Llednevir


Oct 27 2010, 2:42am

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The Power of Public Opinion? [In reply to] Can't Post

Doesn't it mean anything to Warner's that it will LOOK better globally to make this whole thing go away. Key said it himself, the only way to make this all better is to keep the films here and let the final product speak for itself.

Once the films are made and released New Zealand will once again remind the globe that they are a world class film making nation, and also one capable of overcoming overwhelming odds and obstacles.

It seems like WB would want to be a part of such a great story. I know they can wash their hands of the whole thing if the film moves, and blame it on the Unions... but you'd think they'd meet NZ half way to achieve the best possible result.

I still feel like we'll hear good news. But stranger things have happened... (ie: I never IMAGINED losing Guillermo)

"Tim... Canterbury... Canterbury Tales... Chaucer."


Estel78
Aessere Lot

Oct 27 2010, 2:48am

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I hope WB is just trying to get the best deal and is not actually considering relocating production [In reply to] Can't Post

...otherwise their insistence of more subsidies would be worrisome...


Moahunter
NahoR

Oct 27 2010, 2:55am

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Here's the latest from John Key. [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.stuff.co.nz/.../PM-in-Hobbit-huddle


Richie Rich
Llednevir


Oct 27 2010, 3:04am

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Here's some more information I found regarding a "guarantee" [In reply to] Can't Post


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Employment law specialist Jane Latimer said it was impossible to give that guarantee without changing the law. "The current law cannot give them that assurance, because every person who works for any organisation is entitled to apply to the Employment Relations Authority or the court for a declaration as to their status employee or contractor. Under current law, it did not matter what the contract said. What mattered was "what the parties intended and what the true nature of the relationship is".

A new law would have to be introduced to ensure film workers hired as contractors would retain that as their legal status. "It would almost have to be The Hobbit Amendment Act. It would have to be a special amendment to the law just for this case. Then that is a guarantee," Ms Latimer said.
Mr. Key said all options were on the table, including looking at a special law for this project, or a special law for all film workers.




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duats
SnevaH Yerg

Oct 27 2010, 3:06am

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I wonder what PJ will say [In reply to] Can't Post

If this does ultimately come down to money. He was adamant that that was not WB's game.


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Owain
Aessere Lot


Oct 27 2010, 3:07am

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Hmmm... interesting. So it sounds as if WB... [In reply to] Can't Post

is happier with the Industrial Relations, and incentives are what remain...

SAVE MIDDLE EARTH! FILM THE HOBBIT IN NEW ZEALAND!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 27 2010, 3:07am

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Look better to whom? [In reply to] Can't Post

For all that this seems like a huge issue that everyone must know about to us, the vast majority of people outside of NZ have no idea that anything is happening. The first that many people will ever hear about the Hobbit is when the PR campaign starts shortly before the release of the first movie.

Right now, there are three groups of people watching all this chaos. 1) New Zealanders, who have lots at stake 2) the dedicated fans who follow all the details of this while it's still years away, and 3) Industry insiders - other studios/actors around the world who will be watching from a business perspective: whether WB stays or goes will make a big impact on any other pending decisions about filming in NZ.

On the one hand, NZ could make a lot of concessions to WB to keep the project in country, which would make the fans happy and benefit NZ in the short term and encourage the industry to come down and work there, but if they make too many, or inappropriate ones, they could end up doing long-term damage to both their economy and their independence. That's the knife-edge that they're treading now.

As much as I want to see the movies made there, I also want to see New Zealand come out of this on its own feet and moving forward. I would hate to see them giving up their independence due to outside pressures.

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


Altaira
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Oct 27 2010, 3:09am

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That's the same link as the one in the beginning of this thread [In reply to] Can't Post

That may be a first. A duplicate post in response to the post it's duplicating. Crazy

*bangs Adminly head against keyboard* LaughWink


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Owain
Aessere Lot


Oct 27 2010, 3:12am

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Just to add to that... [In reply to] Can't Post

I have friends in the film industry, going to film schools for film related degrees, and they are unaware of all these details. They just keep asking me, their resident Tolkien nut, "When is that Hobbit movie getting made?"

SAVE MIDDLE EARTH! FILM THE HOBBIT IN NEW ZEALAND!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Richie Rich
Llednevir


Oct 27 2010, 3:14am

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So now we hold our breath! [In reply to] Can't Post


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The Prime Minister has left the talks with Warner Bros studio bosses, being held at Premier House this afternoon.
Senior ministers were seen heading to the venue just before 2pm and they remain inside.
John Key did not speak to media when he left the meeting, which is being held in an effort to keep the $670m production here.




(This post was edited by Richie Rich on Oct 27 2010, 3:15am)


Eowyn of Penns Woods
Ronilav


Oct 27 2010, 3:17am

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There, there. Stop banging, and start glugging! You've earned the right. =) // [In reply to] Can't Post



Ethel Duath
Nevle-flah


Oct 27 2010, 3:25am

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It's there on purpose, to go along with [In reply to] Can't Post

all the circular reasoning we've been hearing in the media . . . EvilWinkEvilWink (No, I have no one definitely in mind, so please don't anyone bite! [ducks and runs . . .]ShockedCrazy)


Junesong
Llednevir


Oct 27 2010, 3:26am

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I agree, but... [In reply to] Can't Post

The media knows too - and it's going to spin the story depending on how things come out.

It will amount to nothing but bittersweet memories for the tORn members and NZ folks if things all go well and the movies get made. Just a bad dream.

But if the movies MOVE - a story about the empty sets in NZ and the missteps of the Unions, and the possible greed of the studios will follow this project all the way through history.

Or you might be right and I might just be blinded by my obsession.

(ps - I'm currently watching the behind the scenes LOTR EE, repeatedly refreshing the message boards...)

"Tim... Canterbury... Canterbury Tales... Chaucer."


Pioneer
Llednevir


Oct 27 2010, 3:30am

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Mortal Engines. [In reply to] Can't Post

If Warners take The Hobbit away from 'Zealand because of bigger tax rebates offered in other countries, then I think PJ should throw in the towel & have nothing to do with Warners ever again. He can then jump into Mortal Engines.


Chevy Chase for Saruman

(This post was edited by Pioneer on Oct 27 2010, 3:37am)

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