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Maggot_farms
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Oct 16 2010, 3:43pm
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Is the Hobbit trying to be Avatar?
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PJ's production of the Hobbit is starting to sound much less Hobbit like and more like a sterile effects driven monster. "In a Two-Part 3D Production of Extraordinary Scope"
If the new Hobbit movies are trying to be larger and greater in scope, both visually and thematically than the LOTR's it's in trouble. I am really worried about this production now and plan on not following the news much further. I was very excited at first when I heard about the incorporation of the back stories. However, it sounds like PJ has lost the Hobbit's scale and scope in favor of box office dollars.
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Tim
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Oct 16 2010, 3:47pm
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Well either people either complain
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that the special effects aren't good enough or that there's too many of them.
It's a completely imaginary world full of stuff that doesn't exist in real life. What, exactly, are you expecting?
King Arthur: Who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: There are some who call me... Tim.
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 16 2010, 3:52pm
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"It's a completely imaginary world full of stuff that doesn't exist in real life."
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Since when? Middle earth is real, don't you know. You think all these people just hang around hear talking about some place that doesn't exist? 
Kangi Ska
The Hobbit is almost here.
At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Tim
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Oct 16 2010, 3:54pm
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I'm sure you're old enough to remember Nancy Reagan
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when she said "Just say NO" to drugs, Kangi.  
King Arthur: Who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: There are some who call me... Tim.
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ranger123
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Oct 16 2010, 3:55pm
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It is a "Production of Extraordinary Scope" because it has been in pre-production for years, will probably have a 370+ day shoot and due to delays/legal actions/size of production have a massive budget of several hundreds of millions of dollars.
In two words : "extraordinary scope".
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Flagg
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Oct 16 2010, 3:55pm
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Could you be a little more specific about your worries?
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What precisely do you think Jackson is going to do because of 3D that is going to damage the films? Fo example, do you think he's going to remove pages and pages of dialogue and replace them with slow, lingering bullet-time shots of 3D dragons flying in our faces?
What is it about the word 'scope' that worries you so much?
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ranger123
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Oct 16 2010, 3:57pm
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Bullet time Bilbo!
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 16 2010, 3:59pm
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I am sorry. I did not listen.//
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Kangi Ska
The Hobbit is almost here.
At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Patty
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Oct 16 2010, 4:01pm
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Permanent address: Into the West
Must. Have. The Precious! Give us the LotR EE Blu-ray Ultimate Box Set!
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Kangi Ska
Half-elven
Oct 16 2010, 4:05pm
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It becomes Lord of the Rings (Hobbit version) On Line.
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or Beowulf 2 or...not. Everything works out because of the global legalization of pipeweed in August of 2012 and everyone relaxes.
Kangi Ska
The Hobbit is almost here.
At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Estel78
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Oct 16 2010, 4:26pm
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Captain Salt
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Oct 16 2010, 4:31pm
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Actually, I though Cameron's decision to make Avatar was
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clearly inspired by LotR...
Samuel L. Jackson for Bilbo, Woody Allen for Thorin, Lewis Black for Bard and Gilbert Gottfried for Smaug!
MAKE IT HAPPEN, PETER AND...WHOEVER!!!
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Flagg
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Oct 16 2010, 4:35pm
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And Dances With Wolves. And Pocahontas. And The Smurfs.
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It's unfortunate how the pioneer project of 3D filmmaking was so creatively bankrupt...
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Estel78
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Oct 16 2010, 4:43pm
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it's so funny to take potshots at other movies...
Originality is overrated, pretty much everything is derived from something.
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macfalk
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Oct 16 2010, 4:44pm
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macfalk
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Oct 16 2010, 4:45pm
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I don't think it's overrated at all //
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Estel78
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Oct 16 2010, 4:48pm
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...originality is really hard to find these days since pretty much everything has already been done before if you look for it.
It's the execution that matters. And the details.
Hobbit is an adaptation of a book, how original is that, ey? In fact, when was the last time PJ made something original?
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Flagg
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Oct 16 2010, 4:53pm
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Yes, everything is derived from something else
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but some things are more derivative than others. Tolkien may have been inspired by Wagner, and Norse mythology, but he didn't copy those stories plot-point-for-plot-point. For a converse example, here is an image which demonstrates how formulaic Avatar is:
http://www.mkeriksson.se/...atar-pocahontas1.jpg
I have no problem with films that copy others – I usually just avoid them. But Avatar is such a milestone in cinematic history that I can't help but wish it was a little bit more... creative.
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 16 2010, 4:55pm
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There are things out there that have not been done. It requires requires risk. And willingness to bet on the unknown is rare.
Kangi Ska Resident Cynic
The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Tim
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Oct 16 2010, 5:01pm
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No, a good orginal story matters just as much as execution and details.
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And The Hobbit happens to be a good original story, by the way. 
King Arthur: Who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: There are some who call me... Tim.
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Estel78
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Oct 16 2010, 5:26pm
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Hobbit - the movie - however is not an original story since it's based on a book. I don't mind that PJ hasn't done anything original in over a decade, though.
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L. Ron Halfelven
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Oct 16 2010, 5:27pm
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Can't wait to see Bilbo bond with the Attercops and realize Mirkwood is rightfully theirs./
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I don't want to go to work today
But the master of the whip says nay, nay, nay.
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dormouse
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Oct 16 2010, 5:28pm
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Warners will certainly be hoping....
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... to outdo the box office success of Avatar (and I doubt if they know or care much about the story of The Hobbit).
But Warners aren't actually making the film. With Peter Jackson and co at the helm I'm sure they will be trying to make The Hobbit - with a few references and foreshadowings of Lord of the Rings. They put so much effort into doing justice to Tolkien's work before that I can't see why they'd be any different now. Wait and see - and till it happens, just try to enjoy the ride.
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Estel78
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Oct 16 2010, 5:37pm
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it's the film crew that makes the film, not the suits, they just give the money. Of course in some cases, the suits have more influence over a movie than in other cases.
As for outdoing Avatar financially, i doubt that's in the cards and i think Warners knows that and don't expect it to do that. Both films combined may match Avatar, though.
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Oiotári
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Oct 16 2010, 6:57pm
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it's original to the movie world
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and anyway intentially and explicitly basing off of something (eg: a book) is different from basing heavily on previously done stories and possibly thinking you were being original is different from using previously heard/seen stories for inspiration (this last is unavoidable anyway - there's no such thing as a completely original idea, everything comes from somewhere)
The wide world is all about you:
you can fence yourselves in, but you cannot for ever fence it out
You can only come to the morning through the shadows
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