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Is the Hobbit trying to be Avatar?
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Maggot_farms
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Oct 16 2010, 3:43pm

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Is the Hobbit trying to be Avatar? Can't Post

 PJ's production of the Hobbit is starting to sound much less Hobbit like and more like a sterile effects driven monster. "In a Two-Part 3D Production of Extraordinary Scope"
If the new Hobbit movies are trying to be larger and greater in scope, both visually and thematically than the LOTR's it's in trouble. I am really worried about this production now and plan on not following the news much further. I was very excited at first when I heard about the incorporation of the back stories. However, it sounds like PJ has lost the Hobbit's scale and scope in favor of box office dollars.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 3:47pm

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Well either people either complain [In reply to] Can't Post

that the special effects aren't good enough or that there's too many of them.

It's a completely imaginary world full of stuff that doesn't exist in real life. What, exactly, are you expecting?

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 16 2010, 3:52pm

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"It's a completely imaginary world full of stuff that doesn't exist in real life." [In reply to] Can't Post

Since when? Middle earth is real, don't you know. You think all these people just hang around hear talking about some place that doesn't exist? EvilEvil

Kangi Ska

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Tim
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 3:54pm

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I'm sure you're old enough to remember Nancy Reagan [In reply to] Can't Post

when she said "Just say NO" to drugs, Kangi. Evil Angelic Wink

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Tim: There are some who call me... Tim.


ranger123
Rivendell

Oct 16 2010, 3:55pm

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*facepalm* [In reply to] Can't Post

It is a "Production of Extraordinary Scope" because it has been in pre-production for years, will probably have a 370+ day shoot and due to delays/legal actions/size of production have a massive budget of several hundreds of millions of dollars.

In two words : "extraordinary scope".





Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 3:55pm

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Could you be a little more specific about your worries? [In reply to] Can't Post

What precisely do you think Jackson is going to do because of 3D that is going to damage the films? Fo example, do you think he's going to remove pages and pages of dialogue and replace them with slow, lingering bullet-time shots of 3D dragons flying in our faces?

What is it about the word 'scope' that worries you so much?


(This post was edited by Flagg on Oct 16 2010, 3:56pm)


ranger123
Rivendell

Oct 16 2010, 3:57pm

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lol [In reply to] Can't Post

Bullet time Bilbo!


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 16 2010, 3:59pm

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I am sorry. I did not listen.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Patty
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Oct 16 2010, 4:01pm

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Best laugh all day. N/t [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 16 2010, 4:05pm

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It becomes Lord of the Rings (Hobbit version) On Line. [In reply to] Can't Post

or Beowulf 2 or...not. Everything works out because of the global legalizationEvil of pipeweed in August of 2012 and everyone relaxes.

Kangi Ska

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Estel78
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Oct 16 2010, 4:26pm

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*facepalm* indeed [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 4:31pm

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Actually, I though Cameron's decision to make Avatar was [In reply to] Can't Post

clearly inspired by LotR...Crazy

Samuel L. Jackson for Bilbo, Woody Allen for Thorin, Lewis Black for Bard and Gilbert Gottfried for Smaug!

MAKE IT HAPPEN, PETER AND...WHOEVER!!!


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 4:35pm

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And Dances With Wolves. And Pocahontas. And The Smurfs. [In reply to] Can't Post

It's unfortunate how the pioneer project of 3D filmmaking was so creatively bankrupt...


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 16 2010, 4:43pm

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Yeah, yeah... [In reply to] Can't Post

it's so funny to take potshots at other movies...

Originality is overrated, pretty much everything is derived from something.


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Oct 16 2010, 4:44pm)


macfalk
Valinor


Oct 16 2010, 4:44pm

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Add The Last Samurai // [In reply to] Can't Post

 





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macfalk
Valinor


Oct 16 2010, 4:45pm

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I don't think it's overrated at all // [In reply to] Can't Post

 





Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 16 2010, 4:48pm

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My point was... [In reply to] Can't Post

...originality is really hard to find these days since pretty much everything has already been done before if you look for it.

It's the execution that matters. And the details.

Hobbit is an adaptation of a book, how original is that, ey? In fact, when was the last time PJ made something original?


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Oct 16 2010, 4:56pm)


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 4:53pm

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Yes, everything is derived from something else [In reply to] Can't Post

but some things are more derivative than others. Tolkien may have been inspired by Wagner, and Norse mythology, but he didn't copy those stories plot-point-for-plot-point. For a converse example, here is an image which demonstrates how formulaic Avatar is:

http://www.mkeriksson.se/...atar-pocahontas1.jpg

I have no problem with films that copy others – I usually just avoid them. But Avatar is such a milestone in cinematic history that I can't help but wish it was a little bit more... creative.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 16 2010, 4:55pm

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You need to read more books. [In reply to] Can't Post

There are things out there that have not been done. It requires requires risk. And willingness to bet on the unknown is rare.

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The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Tim
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 5:01pm

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No, a good orginal story matters just as much as execution and details. [In reply to] Can't Post

And The Hobbit happens to be a good original story, by the way. Smile

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Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 16 2010, 5:26pm

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Of course story matters... [In reply to] Can't Post

Hobbit - the movie - however is not an original story since it's based on a book. I don't mind that PJ hasn't done anything original in over a decade, though.


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Oct 16 2010, 5:28pm)


L. Ron Halfelven
Grey Havens


Oct 16 2010, 5:27pm

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Can't wait to see Bilbo bond with the Attercops and realize Mirkwood is rightfully theirs./ [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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dormouse
Half-elven

Oct 16 2010, 5:28pm

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Warners will certainly be hoping.... [In reply to] Can't Post

... to outdo the box office success of Avatar (and I doubt if they know or care much about the story of The Hobbit).

But Warners aren't actually making the film. With Peter Jackson and co at the helm I'm sure they will be trying to make The Hobbit - with a few references and foreshadowings of Lord of the Rings. They put so much effort into doing justice to Tolkien's work before that I can't see why they'd be any different now. Wait and see - and till it happens, just try to enjoy the ride.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 16 2010, 5:37pm

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Warners never make a film [In reply to] Can't Post

it's the film crew that makes the film, not the suits, they just give the money. Of course in some cases, the suits have more influence over a movie than in other cases.

As for outdoing Avatar financially, i doubt that's in the cards and i think Warners knows that and don't expect it to do that. Both films combined may match Avatar, though.


Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 6:57pm

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it's original to the movie world [In reply to] Can't Post

and anyway intentially and explicitly basing off of something (eg: a book) is different from basing heavily on previously done stories and possibly thinking you were being original is different from using previously heard/seen stories for inspiration (this last is unavoidable anyway - there's no such thing as a completely original idea, everything comes from somewhere)


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