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News from Bree
spymaster@theonering.net
Aug 4 2010, 3:23pm
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Millions of 'non words' discovered in secret vault
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Did you know Professor Tolkien worked on the staff of the Oxford University Press (makes of the OED - Oxfrod English Dictionary) from 1919 to 1920? He worked in the 'W' range, discovering the meaning of words from 'waggle' to 'warlock.' (See a wonderful article on Tolkien's involvement with the OED here) We bring this up because millions of 'non words' have been discovered in a secret vault owned by the Oxford University Press. A graphic design student, Luke Ngakane, discovered hundreds of these words in his research and used them in one of his design projects. It makes for an interesting article that we thought we'd share with you! Enjoy!  [Read More]
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Aug 5 2010, 2:42pm
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I'm suffering a bit of xenolexica, myself.
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Although my kids are fluent in whinese, and not just on lengthy trips.
And suddenly the Ainur saw afar off a light, as it were a cloud with a living heart of flame.
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dernwyn
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Aug 5 2010, 4:45pm
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I do believe the OED is out of date!
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Some of those words really are in "common usage". There is a nifty definition for earworm. Although that same site contains a few strange definitions for wibble, those who have been waiting for word on the greenlight for The Hobbit understand firsthand its OED "nonword" meaning! "Vidiot"? I've been hearing that since VCRs first became commonplace!
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"I desired dragons with a profound desire" "It struck me last night that you might write a fearfully good romantic drama, with as much of the 'supernatural' as you cared to introduce. Have you ever thought of it?" -Geoffrey B. Smith, letter to JRR Tolkien, 1915
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 5 2010, 4:57pm
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What would you call a secret vault full of unacceptable words?//
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Kangi Ska Make the Hobbit Happen Now!
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weaver
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Aug 5 2010, 6:12pm
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I don't know, but I bet my mother had the combination....
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...I always wondered where she got those great Polish swear words she was known for!
Weaver
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Patty
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Aug 5 2010, 7:45pm
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That cause me a wierd moment, Tim...
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I saw your avatar and thought "he stole that from 5 x 5 !
Permanent address: Into the West Must. Have. The Precious! Give us the Blu-ray Ultimate Box Set!
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Tim
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Aug 5 2010, 8:01pm
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*looks at my avatar* - to quote Highlander, "There can be only one."
King Arthur: Who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder? Tim: There are some who call me... Tim. (but used to call me 5 by 5)
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SirDennisC
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Aug 5 2010, 8:06pm
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Did one of those words happen to be "Oxfrod?" /
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Aug 5 2010, 10:09pm
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You're not the only one, Patty!
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It took me a while to realize he'd changed his nick.
And suddenly the Ainur saw afar off a light, as it were a cloud with a living heart of flame.
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Aug 5 2010, 10:09pm
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And suddenly the Ainur saw afar off a light, as it were a cloud with a living heart of flame.
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Ethel Duath
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Aug 6 2010, 2:07am
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My husband's Polish Grandmother
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used to call him all sorts of affectionate/semi-insulting names, like Mr. Kapusta (I think Kapusta is cabbage?). And then there was something like "Tak a schveenya" which is my phonetic approximation, which he said meant something like "what a pig" (I don't think they're really swear words, though . . . )
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 6 2010, 8:34am
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Thetermine but guess where that one goes.
Kangi Ska Make the Hobbit Happen Now!
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Aug 6 2010, 5:09pm
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What? "Earworm" isn't a real word?
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I'm asphinxiated!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "For DORA BAGGINS in memory of a LONG correspondence, with love from Bilbo; on a large wastebasket. Dora was Drogo's sister, and the eldest surviving female relative of Bilbo and Frodo; she was ninety-nine, and had written reams of good advice for more than half a century." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A Chance Meeting at Rivendell" and other stories leleni at hotmail dot com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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geordie
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Aug 7 2010, 9:42am
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- though, looking briefly at the list, it seems the article is mainly concerned with modern words which haven't made it. I'd have liked to have seen some of the older ones. Here's a niggle - "Some of these words date back to before 1918, when Lord of The Rings author J.R.R. Tolkien was editor of the OED..." Tolkien was never an editor; a very senior position. He was employed, on a more or less freelance basis, as a lexicographer on what was then called the New English Dictionary, under one of its then editors, Dr. Henry Bradley. There were only four editors in the Dictionary's original development, up to its publication in the 30s - Murray, Craigie, Bradley and Onions. Tolkien knew the latter three well, and immortalised all four as the 'Four wise Clerks of Oxenford' in Farmer Giles of Ham. Thanks for the link to Gilliver's article. I can recommend a book by Gilliver et al called 'The Ring of Words: Tolkien and the Oxford English Dictionary', which is a terrific read.
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Kyriel
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Aug 7 2010, 10:04am
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"Earworm" totally is a really word ;-)
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As a matter of fact, I've got "Tarzan Boy" stuck in my head right now. Fortunately, it's a song I like.
Those left standing will make millions writing books on the way it should have been. --Incubus
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Kyriel
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Aug 7 2010, 10:07am
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Some people call me...Tim? Boom!
Those left standing will make millions writing books on the way it should have been. --Incubus
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ElanorTX
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Aug 7 2010, 10:36am
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I also recommend this book with delight. I acquired a nearly untouched first-printing hardcover copy only a few weeks ago at a second-hand store. (Amazon carries Kindle, new and used paperback and hardcover.) It is organized into three sections: "Tolkien as Lexicographer," "Tolkien as Wordwright," and "Word Studies." The word studies, nearly two-thirds of the book, explore over 100 individual words Tolkien revived or coined for his writings. bookgirl13 passed this information on
there are two very good podcasts which explore the relationship between Tolkien and Oxford University: http://podcasts.ox.ac.uk/. They are available directly from the university website or through iTunes subscription. ...I found the second podcast especially interesting as it was discussing his work on the OED and his use of language as a lexicographer. The authors of The Ring of Words were taking part so it was largely an exploration of their book. There were lots of quirky facts that were new to me and the last section of the book is a collection of 'word studies' looking at key words such as mathom, waybread, ent and hobbit (of course). I particularly liked their analysis of how Tolkien could use differing narrative registers to build up his world in a way that few, if any, of his imitators could emulate. Their discussion of the structure of The Council of Elrond was enthralling. I listened and immediately ordered the book.
"I shall not wholly fail if anything can still grow fair in days to come."
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 7 2010, 2:15pm
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Or Perhaps The Oxford Not-word Hord"?
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Kangi Ska Make the Hobbit Happen Now!
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Tim
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Aug 7 2010, 6:43pm
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Indeed it would be That Tim. ;-) //
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King Arthur: Who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder? Tim: There are some who call me... Tim. (but used to call me 5 by 5) Tim: Follow. But. Follow only if ye be TORNsibs of valour, for the making of The Hobbit is guarded by a creature so foul, so cruel that no TORNsib yet has fought with it and lived. Bones of an A List veteran director lie strewn about its lair. So, brave TORNsibs, if you do doubt your courage or your strength, come no further, for Hollywood studio bureaucratic ineptitude awaits you all with nasty, big, pointy teeth!
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Ataahua
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Aug 8 2010, 7:48pm
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that if you can understand the meaning *and* the new word is intentional (rather than the result of a mispelling or a brain-fade), then it's a real word. :)
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..." Dwarves: "Pretty rings..." Men: "Pretty rings..." Sauron: "Mine's better." "Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak. Ataahua's stories
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