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Huan71
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Jun 21 2010, 9:16am
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Posts, the Director and the vision..
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My posting style has changed little in 9 yrs. (Back in the First Agr I was famous for my infrequent essays:) .....and long may they continue! It was more that i was...er...'moved' ( ?  ) by your comment that no one had anything to say on the bigger issues you'd raised ! (I still think there's a book in you...even if it's just an Internet based one (a blog or down loadable thing possibly?)) I find it hard to have much to say on a/the new director until they have been officially announced. I'm happy to wait and see. I know who i think would be the best replacement, but they are not available. BTW, if, in your opinion (and mine..!) GDT would have been the "best man for the job", does that mean that any other Hobbit could well be an inferior (if still very good) vision? And, therefore, would it be better to call the whole thing off?
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 21 2010, 9:55am
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Lets call the whole thing off? NOT
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I find this laughable. If it is not going to be perfect then do not do it? All art would cease with this type of thinking.
Nix the defeatism. Full speed ahead. Giving up when you have no idea of the dimensions of the challenge is silly.
Patience! The truth will be revealed in time. Then you can at least give up rationally.
The criticism of a non-existent movie also fails my reality test. Lets wait at least long enough to see who the "Chosen One" is before we declare defeat.
This is coming from me, the one with the soul of Eeyore. Let us all hope for the best. It will save a lot of stomach linings.
Kangi Ska
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Elven
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Jun 21 2010, 10:54am
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I dont think SPJ would do that ... just yet anyway ...
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Im not sure PJ would have jumped into the Directors seat after GdT announced his leaving the project even if he was resigned to do it - I dont think that would have been a good move, the speculation would/may have been riffe as to why things turned the way they did.
I for one dont give up hope - if one director was found to do one film, PJ may be interested in doing the other.
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merklynn
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Jun 21 2010, 1:49pm
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He had plans to rarely or never even visit the set with del Toro on the project but even now he still hopes to be a guide rather than an overseer.
If Neill Blomkamp is who we get then fine, whatever... But don't tell me that this somehow helps Peter Jackson not have to be a presence on set. The scale of the back-to-back movies is tough for even seasoned directors, so Neill, as a newcomer, will really be up against it without Peter's constant guidance / assistance. My guess is Peter will end up on the set A LOT due to the scale.
I'm so disappointed. I know this isn't official news yet, but it's still a blow from my point-of-view, having had enormous confidence in GDT in place of my ideal director, Peter Jackson. Even if I resign myself to the fact that Peter is really unlikely to step in and direct, I'd still rather see someone with a little more experience under their belt tackle such a massive task. And then on personal level, I really REALLY didn't like District 9. So, I'm not just uncomfortable about the inexperience, but its also a matter of my own tastes. So, like I said whatever. All I can do is cross my fingers and hope for the best. My enthusiasm has definitely sunk as a result of this directorial dilemma. Guillermo, I miss you! :-/
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dormouse
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Jun 21 2010, 2:19pm
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... but isn't there a positive spin you can put on this? If Peter Jackson is your ideal director, couldn't you be reassured by the thought that a younger, less experienced director is more likely to need and accept Peter Jackson's input?
Not liking District 9 is more of an objection, I grant you, but then, if I'd seen some of Peter Jackson's earlier films I'd have been horrified at the thought of LotR in his hands, and yet I really enjoy the films. The Hobbit isn't District 9 and if Neill Blomkamp's any good he'll have the sense to see that, and handle it in a way that suits the material.
I'd say, try not to lose hope yet. The director hasn't been announced, the film isn't made, and there's every chance that it will turn out to be brilliant. Why not - it still has very good people behind it? Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh, Philippa Boyens and Guillermo on the script, Alan Lee and John Howe and Weta Workshop on the artistic side, Howard Shore on the music, and, as far as anyone knows, Ian McKellen and Andy Serkis.... We've waited a long time for this and despite all the upheavals I'm not ready to despair just yet!
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merklynn
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Jun 21 2010, 2:37pm
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...just losing my enthusiasm instead. It's been such turmoil from a fan's point of view. Years of waiting and hoping while New Line and Jackson had their fued and then the news of the film(s) finally happening. Then looking forward to del Toro's vision with his very visual imagination and love for 'creatures' and 'fantasy'. Then the MGM thing... followed by del Toro (quite fairly) having to throw in the towel. I liked del Toro, I liked his work, and I had confidence in him. Again, I'm not saying Blomkamp isn't competent, he clearly can handle an effects driven movie, but I would have felt a little better with someone with a few more movies under their belt. Even PJ had a few behind him before he took on the insane task of the LOTR trilogy. Again, it's a personal thing for me. I didn't like District 9 one bit. I couldn't even finish watching it. :-/ The director is the most influential person on a film, so even with a lot of the 'safe hands' still present, I can no longer have that comfortable expectation anymore. I'm just drained from the journey over this stormy sea and hope that in the end the films manage to flow and not suffer from such a protracted and difficult gestation.
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Patty
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Jun 21 2010, 3:54pm
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"Let us all hope for the best. It will save a lot of stomach linings."
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Top notch philosophy, Kangi, on this and many other issues.
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SteveDJ
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Jun 21 2010, 5:55pm
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Another big (yet disappointing) announcement? ...like the Blu-Ray fiasco?
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I have a feeling we might be in store for another replay of the "Big Announcement" fiasco that was Blu-Ray release.
That is, it feels like we may in fact learn who the new director is and/or get this rumor confirmed fairly soon, but still somewhat non-publicly. Then, a "Big Announcement" will be foretold to be coming from ComicCon. And once again, we will all go nuts over what this big announcement could be (possible green light? casting? whatever else our minds think up?) -- only to have the big announcement be the "official public announcement" of who the director is. And once again, we will complain that it wasn't so big -- only because we already knew what other people probably didn't (I'm talking about the "somewhat-fan" - someone that likes the movies, but doesn't follow all the inside information on sites like this).
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R11
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Jun 21 2010, 6:43pm
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I have to admit I was not connecting those dots . I've been using that same board name for so long it's become ingrained and I don't even think about it. It started out originally as R1 on the very first board I registered for 12-13 years ago, and the second 1 was added not long after when I found R1 was already taken on a another board I was signing up for. I didn't occur to me until later though that it's basically the designation for a class of wall insulation 
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R11
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Jun 21 2010, 8:32pm
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The actual viewer rating at RT is 60%. The viewer rating on IMDB is 6.6 (out of 10). Those are decent numbers. Surely the dark nature of the movie accounts for much of the negativity as well, since many people don't like to watch uncomfortable/creepy content and only want happy, happy, joy, joy in their movies.
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Bound
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Jun 21 2010, 9:09pm
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I agree that critics are reviews are sometimes a harsh way to view a movie. After all a review is just one person's opinon. However most critics do it for living and don't just critise for the sake of it.
I shoud reiterate that I love Peter Jackson and have every things he's done on dvd but I think that while the Lord of The Rings movies were a historicaly a huge moment in cinema and they were amazing movies.but they are in no way perfect and i think Jackson as a pure director isn't as succesful as his movies have been.
I felt The lovely bones movie shied away from the darker conent of the story. Every beat, every decison was a mistake - bar the casting of Susie and maybe brian eno's score. I think that the overall positive feedback from "movie goers" is largely from people who are loyal to Jackson - there are a lot of them out there.
It's mad to think that what should have been a very simple and intimate story could cost €60 million to make and then be filled with pointless special effects. In truth The lovely bones told by another director would have been a wonderful movie.
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Gandalf'sMother
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Jun 22 2010, 3:37am
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Director strong enough to keep PJ out of it
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The most important thing is that a director with a lot of creativity and a strong vision direct this film, so that it does not become a camel (a horse made in Committee), and primarily something directed by PJ and friends. We have already had 9 hours plus of PJ's vision, and it is time that someone with better artistic sense get a hack at Tolkien's world. We can only handle so much slo-mo, extreme closeups and mawkish melodrama.
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Jun 22 2010, 6:25am
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Couldn't agree with you more...
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I guess my original point was there's no reason to get excitied or upset by these rumours. Directors walk out on movies all the time and others come in and take their place, sometimes its a good thing and sometimes it aint.
They need someone who as you said will have a strong vision.
I think people need to reailse that no matter who directs these two movies, be it Peter Jackson or whoever - they are not goint to be the same as the LOTR. The movies might be great and entertaining but a large part of what made LOTR special was the story behind the making of them. The long struggle, the unknown kiwi director, and untestsed visual effects company.. it was just a very special moment in time.
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