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Gandalf'sMother
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Jun 20 2010, 1:46am
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I just do not understand why the only directors that are being considered are purely "genre" or "geek" directors. This book deserves a director that is an artist first, and a geek second. Tolkien was not a geek - he was a linguist with a passion for languages. I want someone with a passion for film. Not just someone who likes slightly oddball sci-fi.
Alfonso Cuaron would have been a perfect choice.
Ah well...
Perhaps this isn't set in stone just yet, but I am inclined to believe its the real deal...
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Jun 20 2010, 1:53am
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Yes, indeed (and do we have any word yet on other departments heads -- DP, Production Design, Costume Design et al)
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Both Pete and Richard Taylor at Weta are terrific leaders able to find unproven talent and inspire them to great achievement. Then there's the whole Kiwi "muck-in," hands-on, collaborative spirit in the New Zealand film industry that is very un-Hollywood (which is a good thing -- great, in fact).
If Blomkamp is indeed the director, I believe for all the reasons I just mentioned -- and the canniness of PJ -- things are going to turn out gangbusters. And I seriously don't believe Jackson is ever going to tap a merely bankable studio yes-man as Director. The world of Tolkien is too near and dear to our friends in Wellington for them to compromise in the least.
Faith, my friends...
Incidentally, have we heard anything yet on who some of the creative department heads may be: cinematographer, production design, art director, editors, costume design to name a few? Can we expect a lot of Rings alumni to return? I'd love to see Andrew Lesnie continue his magnificent work. If he's not available, it would be interesting to see someone like Bruno Delbonnel step in. He shot "Amelie" and the latest Potter film; both wonderful, and he has an amazing eye for fantasy stories.
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Sunflower
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Jun 20 2010, 4:03am
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I raise my mug of 1420 to you, dear Kangi. And give you a great big BOSIE hug. . I hope you are feeling better, mellon nin...if not, you may end up writing a couple of posts as gibberish-y as the epic disjointed screed I composed last night, when I was coming off having had maybe 13 hours sleep total all week.:). The folks at DTF are used to my "thinking aloud"
Again, ((HUGS)
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 20 2010, 4:13am
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Indeed I am on the mend and at work monitoring security all night long.
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Have to have a clear head but don't move much. Thanks for the Hug and a big Paul Bunyan hug to (((you))) from the City of the Twins. Your rambles are always interesting. I can't type that fast and was born with hands closer to blunt instruments than fine ones.
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Sunflower
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Jun 20 2010, 4:40am
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believe me, when I get to that state of being, my typing skills are shall we say a bit less than usual. Which explains the typos and the reluctance to correct them. My hands are moving very slowly indeed.
But I do hope that some people were able to pick up some gmes from the coal nuggets in all that. I find it distressing that no-ne even attempted to address whatI said...(not that it matters, huh.)
Glad you are better, and envious that you can surf the net at "work"
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Jun 20 2010, 5:15am
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This is what has puzzled me also, Voronwe....the Sunday night when the news broke, I posted about it on DTF, and Hellmistress's (remember her?) exact reply was: "I don't think so..Guillermo always say exactly what he means. He's not the one to say one thing and do something else."And as I know and people on here have learned, HM knows Guillermo better than any of us.
I am sorely tempted to point her to your post and ask her, but going to DTF is just as painful for me, still, as going here these days. (Party for the reason that I know for a fact that once the green-light was given and if their participation were confirned, up to a half dozen members of Guillermo's cast and crew were eager to follow their director on to TGRN. Never that now. I suspect that there are a lot of things we could have had that we never will now. )
Sources for your quotes please? If what you say is true, it sounds as if Guillermo was fired. There could have been no other reason for him to leave a project he had fallen in love with so completely, so suddenly. I too thought he was just counting down the days until the clock expired, and had gone into silence as a result. If it were a personal tragedy, a death in the family or some othert thing, that does not cause you to leave a project.
There are those who look at the words "amicable split" and think that PJ and Guillermo developed some creative differences with the 2nd script or other factors 9after all, it would not be the first time PJ has done this-remember he and Howard Shore parted ways over the score for King Kong?) but I don't think this is the case--those kinds of differences would have been worked out early on in the process. From what we knew, they were like blood brothers. (another darn thing so heartbreaking about all of this....)
If there was any sort of issue G had with anything, it must have been with studio brass at either or both studios, and this was not an issue that PJ had the power to negotiate with the studio (s) with for him.
I for one do not believe that he is going to have the complete autonomy and power that NL gave MarK Ordesky. Not anymore I don't. He had no decision-making power in how the LOTR Blu-ray was made or marketed, did he? Remember his comment that "they didn't consult with me at all..so in this case, I agree with the fans"? This shocked me, I thought PJ would have been an important partner in that process.
If such a puny thing as the LOTR DVD was not discussed with the man who made it,
Maybe Guillermo was fired for making that conference call, which discussed 3D? Well, all I can say is--Comic-Con may giive us clues. What I find fascinating is the deafening silence from the media on this. Nikki Finke had one story and that was it. She is good at ratting out info, and made her rep over the yrs.on not being afraid to post it. but I have a nasty feeling everyone involved signed non-discloures.. and you can bet your sweet bippy that Blomkamp or any other director would attempt to find out just what went wrong, and from the horses; mouth. If G has been censored on the subject, , his silence could speak volumes to a director. If there's any dark cloud hanging over the facts of Guillermo's departure, that would give me pause....
Why the heck do I keep coming here? 3 weeks later, I am still in shock and anguish over this...I suppose b'c of the possibilty of finding posts like yours, Voronwe...we may never know, indeed, but I sure as heck want to get as many hints as possible. The good folks at DTF have an elitist "phew, thank God he's gone through his "Hollywood stage" and now he's OURS again, now he can do waht he wants." attitude. None of them are Tolkien fans and only HM had taken the time to go to Tolkien School....and bless her heart, she was honest with it, too.:)
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Sunflower
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Jun 20 2010, 5:33am
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Very surprising, about the conference call, made just 3 days before he announced he was leaving. Did this sound like someone who had known for weeks he was on the way out, and the films were still a given Go--as Voronwe has asked? If this is true, why would he so suddenly leave? If this conference call took place on Thursday, and the announcment was made Sunday night, he and PJ must have had their discussion on Friday-Saturday morning, and then he had to have time Sat-Sunday to write the announcement and plan how he'd break the news,
The mystery (and for me, the heartbreak), deepens, if that is possible.
One last thing: those who are casually dismissing Guillermo with an "oh, well, directors leave projects all the time" kind of attitude seem to forget a certain incident that took place 3 yrs ago. If there had been just as casual a reaction as before, Peter Jackson would not today be involved with The Hobbit in any way. Not saying this is the same thing, and not accusing anyone of anything, just reflecting on the past.
and anyway the die is cast--he's gone.Can't exactly compare....that we know of.
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 20 2010, 5:48am
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I think that people are uncertain how to respond to what you write.
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Part amazing...Part confusing as was Joyce & Kerouac. Have printed out several of your recent posts and read them closely but found myself uncertain of an adequate response. The posts were long enough that they almost called for review rather than response.
I made a similar connection to GdT through my theater viewing of Pan's Labyrinth. No movie I have seen in the past 20 years touched me...blasted me...ripped my soul and mended it the way that little movie did. I wanted to know the man behind the films. I collected all of them that I could find, consumed them, watched the commentaries and dressed as him for the Tolkien Halloween party after he was named to direct The Hobbit. Peter Jackson shares my long (55 years) love of King Kong. Guillermo shares my great revulsive love of H.P Lovecraft's works of horror fiction that I discovered when I was 12(And gave me many sleepless nights).
The loss of GdT as director of the Hobbit is a huge loss for those of us who so desired to see him make these films, but may not be a lose for him and even for us in the long run. He is as free now as he can be (given the fact that he is back in Holywood) and he is at the top of his game. He has more gifts to give us, more labyrinths of image sound and meaning. But beyond all of that: Guillermo is a regular guy...the passion...the vision without the ego and self involvement.
But this thread is not about GdT. But another who might be called to fill the shoes of The Director of the two Films made from J.R.R.Tolkien's "The Hobbit".
Neill Blomkamp is a new talent emerging from the trenches of the digital processing and design world. The style of his only major film (District 9) is a world away from Lord of the Rings but it was perfect for the story he was trying to tell. He showed his heart as a story teller and his skill as a film maker. His name will be up there with GdT's some day, weather or not he directs The Hobbits.
KS
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Sunflower
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Jun 20 2010, 5:51am
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Everyone: For your enjoyment...
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May as well post this here--This little gem is from Nikki Finke's site--
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com
Scroll down for--
"Here Comes Pinkberry: The Movie In 3-D!"
A spoof someone made about the current state of Hollywood.... hilarious...but in ligjht of our situation, I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
(oh, and **LANGUAGE WARNING,** of course.)
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 20 2010, 6:09am
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I believe PJ & GdT are fast friends. I believe GdT left for a reason or reasons that came from outside of New Zealand. A final straw on the dromedary's back. It could have been economic; it could have been personal. There is no way to tell. There are no crumbs of evidence to make the case. I might not want to know if I could. The surface facts are enough. I do not need the dirt. That is why I read all of my news if I can. I do not need someone else telling me how to use my brain.
One of my mottos is: Things often appear more complicated than they are.
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Sunflower
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Jun 20 2010, 6:39am
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that I will try to sort out tomorrow....that Guillermo is a true intellectual,a throwback to an earlier period before WW2 when cinema was an art form headed by creative talent whose chief childhood inspiration was from literature and painting and art-ie the WRITTEN WORD, as opposed to the visual media of films, TV, rsdio, etc...after WW2 in America at least, the visual began at replace the written and people's attention spans shrunk as a result. In some curious way, Guillermo is a direct connection to Tolkien for me.
Spielberg, PJ, Cameron et al- you read their interviews over the yrs and they mention books, once in a while, authors but thweir chief love is old TV shows and films. Guillermo by contrast hants old bookshops and his deepest love is for the BOOK, the beauty of the written word, the arcane mysteries of language....with him, it is not diluted but comes from the primal source. The effect of this legacy being plugged into a mainstream Hollywood blockbuster and the American media was to have been a very poweful thing...You see it on screen. The films of these men are full of TV's forecample,..think of the soothing TV in ET. Del Toro;s films ref books (think the Bok of Crossroads, or the Chronos tome...and the Notebook he draws in as an illustrator.
I do NOT agree that Guillermo is free now to do what he wants. You are only as good as your last picture is a Hollywood truism. We forget that he signed that 4-5 picture deal with UNiversal right after he broke the news of directing TH. I remember this vividly. When was the last time a director accepted a contract for 8$-5* films, that were all seperate projectd and not part of a trilogy? I strongly doubt that Uni inked that deal with "Guillermo Del Toro, director of PL and Hellboy 3." No, they signed it with a man who was suddenly the hottest property in Hollywood--"Guilermo Del Toro, director of the 'Lord Of The Rings' Prequel.": BIG dofference in marketability to mainstream American audiences, huh? Now that TH is out, what will they do with the TV ads? "GDT, director of Hellboy 2"?
How are you going to reboot the fabled "Uni Creature Feature" with that? And lately UNi hasn't done so good with moster movies--" Wolfman" was a complete flop.
The Universal Pictures of today is not the post-Mary Parent-era Universal Studios it was 3 yrs ago. (Mary Parent, you'll remember, was CEO of Uni at the time and a huge friend of PJ who oversaw both King Kong and "co-discovered" Blomkamp. Then she was kicked out and guess where she is stuck today? MGM, and she doesn;t even have power over that sinking ship anymore--the hedge fund guys do. )
People at Nkkki's site have been saying that Universal Studios is a very different place than it was 5 yrs ago--they too now only want films based on comic books and video games. I highly doubt they regreet their contract with GDT< but only with his choices of materiel. Even if they agree to Guillermo's espotric choices of projects, they may not give him the creative carte blanche with them that his commerical post-Hobbit clout could have given him. (Do you think that the pre-LOTR PJ would have had the clout and power to introuduce the world to Blomkamp, and most important allow him to have the big-budget advertising push for D9? We saw the announce,ents, they are looking for a "marketing" push for TH. Films live and die on mega-ad busgets these days. What potential Blomkamps did GDT lie in the wings, waiting to be discovred, that may never be now?)
I relaize I am hijacking the thread, but this isn't just a thread IMO about the merits of Blomkamp or lack therof to direct TH. He isn;t just signing on--he is replacing what many feel was the "dream director" for the project, which we had for 2 yrs. And if Voronwe is right about the conference call, then I feel more than ever an ue=rge to make it clear to the studio moles doubtless studying this that this decision of appointing a hasty replacement to "protect a franchise" is not a mere business decision. They need to know what they are replacing.
Because DEl Toro is the eternal Ghost haunting the Hobbit, one cannot at this point talk of one without comparing the other....
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Sunflower
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Jun 20 2010, 6:42am
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Yeah, I realized that earlier. I apologize for my sleep-deprived mind last night. Which is where I'll be again, if I don't turn in--besides, I've posted enough:)
Good night from Albany, y'all...
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 20 2010, 7:25am
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Kangi Ska
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dormouse
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Jun 20 2010, 7:45am
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I seem to be going backwards and forwards until I just don't know what I think about any of this. I think it's possible that Guillermo knew he couldn't hold on for ever. The impression I had from the comments he made here was that delays caused by MGM were becoming an issue for him - he certainly mentioned them whereas Peter Jackson seemed inclined to play them down. But you're right that Guillermo talked as if he was staying on right up until he announced that he wasn't.
Oh, I don't know. Their business, not mine, and I'm sorry for them all, caught up in this mess when they'd rather just get on with the creative side of film making. I just hope the situation is resolved soon, for everyone's sake.
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Jun 20 2010, 7:53am
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PJ certainly is looking for another director currently and at this point he may not want do do it. But he also said if there was no other way to protect the Hobbit he would do it - and I remember reading he was wishing he was directing as they were writing the script. So we know he is not 100% ruling it out.
Given the sudden departure by GDT - leaving all speculation aside - may make other directors weary of approaching the Hobbit. Also consider the MGM financial mess, the long delays with the movie etc...and this is not counting the time New Line has left until their right to film the Hobbit expire.
Another big pro-PJ reason is he won't stray from the current script, and will most likely keep all the sets/monsters etc - there is no such guarantee with anyone else directing. And of course the biggest reason is since he did LOTR already, it would make sense the same person handles the Hobbit.
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1. Many people that post here seem unable to wait until the movies come out to form a judgment on them. Personally, I am quite happy to wait until I have the actual movie in front of me before I decide if it sucks or is brilliant or whatever.
2. Many posters seem to have a preconceived notion that a 3-D attempt (should it happen) is only for the money and will therefore be tainted, if not wholly NOT GOOD. Could you please consider the possibility that it could be a fantastic 3-D movie? With TH being 3-4 years further along in the 3-D evolution, perhaps it could make Avatar seem like amateur hour.
3. Some posters seem enamored of the idea the PJ and others hinge on your every word. All I can say is, get a life, and get a clue :)
The people already involved (included GTD for his time) are all amazing experts on movie and fantasy. I am guessing that most of us posters are not.
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Kangi Ska
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I conceived my abhorrence of a 3-D Hobbit by careful evaluation and study. I am not willing to wait 5 more years for 3-D to be perfected. They can remake it in 3-D after I am dead. I want to see this one in 2-D while I am not enfeebled.
" Get a life, and get a clue" are rude things to say. If people are happy why should it bother anyone.
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Jun 20 2010, 9:22am
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I thought Jackson made a dreadful version of The Lovely Bones. It was widely panned. It's more accurate to say that TLB had mixed reviews - I certainly read many reviews that were either very happy with it or disliked it a lot. I think LOTR is a bit of an albatross for PJ. He reached such heights with those three films that any subsequent movie that doesn't get near that standard is considered a failure by him.
I don't think it's more accurate to say that it got mixed reviews, I understand it got some positive reviews but on the whole it was reviewed badly and it was reflected in the box office. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1189344-lovely_bones/ 33% is pretty bad. I'm not suggesting that anyone's opinion is wrong, if you like his version of TLB - well great. I'm not trying to start an argument. I should point out that I'm a huge Jackson fan. I have every movie he's ever made, from Bad Taste all the way up to the special edition King Kong. I think he's a great director - he has his faults, his movies are never perfect but he makes good entertaining films but TLB just was a mess. Heavy handed, insane use of CGI where it wasn't needed and some dreadful acting by Mark Walberg. For reference - i've read the book and although i liked it, i was looking forward to Jackson doing something special with it.
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Huan71
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...your post's calling more for Review rather than response!
I just cant type for that long...i HATE it! lol
Besides, it seems like you've some stuff to get out of your system, which is great coz' it makes for interesting reading!
Personally i don't think movies are as...um...powerfull...(or, maybe "influential" would be a better word?. I'm not sure..inspiring perhaps?) to most who watch them as they are/have been to you?
After all, most people couldn't give a spiders 8th leg about the Enigma machine.( A pet hate point of issue of mine!)
It was "just" a film...right?
I think film is more likely to reflect society than direct it (bar the odd individual, anyway). So cinema will go in the direction that it will go.
I would bet vital parts of my reproductive system that there are indie-directors who, as we type, are coming up with fantastic ideas and concepts for films! The big budget stuff is just entertainment.
As for Neil Blomkamp directing The Hobbit? Well, i've not seen D9 yet (i do intend to..when the blurry price drops! lol), so i cant comment.
But if PJ thinks he's OK then i'll go with it and give him a chance!
I disagree with you that 3D is a bad thing, or a good thing for that matter. It's just a consequence of human social evolution.
I hated Joyce..One page was enough! A book called "Dragons Egg" did it for me. It compared the evolution of a species on a neutron star, (that had 7 days to one of our seconds.) to parallels with human evolution...and eventually overtook us! Brilliant!
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You line up the dots and connect them. For example: Sam Raimi is out because of the wizard of oz prequel he just signed onto. Ahhh, a director with no shame! Who'd-a thunk it! lol Hey, what do i know. It Might be an AWSOME movie!!
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Probably because the announcement had not been made.
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I've been involved in many "secret" negotiations and discussions as part of my work, when a new client is coming on board, a client is leaving, or a key resource is being transferred. In every case, there are weeks if not months of discussion, however the public statements reveal nothing of what is going on behind the scenes.
In my view, Guillermo kept the preliminary discussions to a very small, trusted group of people. Since there was no greenlight, there was no contract, so Guillermo and Peter had no obligation to tell anyone about possible changes in the leadership team of the film. But I'm confident that they were working out a thorough transition plan before the news was released.
It's not surprising at all, to me, that Guillermo's statements in the link gave no hint of what was happening. The conference call that you mention was probably the first announcement to other parties involved in the film (maybe the studios) that he was leaving the films, but at that point the transition plan was finalized. It's likely that at that time Guillermo outlined his communication plan for the general public, and three days later he executed that plan.
I realize that we are all very interested in The Hobbit movies and want the best movie possible, however I think most of the conspiracy theories are attempting to close too many gaps in what we know with pure speculation and a lack of knowledge of the process for sensitive business negotiations.
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Jun 20 2010, 2:45pm
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I can't decide if that's too long for me to wait to find out (if it will indeed be announced there) or if I like that timing because then they better have someone picked out by then
nope, too long, I'm getting impatient  
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For those who question Neill's experience, how much experience did PJ himself have when he started the LOTR trilogy? I see that for example on David Yates, who has directed the last 3 Harry Potter movies, and i don't remember he had too much experience before. I saw D9 and loved it. And if PJ trusts him (for whatever reason, money whatever) and helps these movies to be done once and for all, i'm all for this. Give the guy a break.
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