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aranelthehobbit22
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Jun 9 2010, 2:53am

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  1. Edoras obviously took a lot of work, what do you think about it? It's such a shame that it all had to be taken down afterward. Any comments on the building of Edoras?
  2. The wind and cold seems to reflect Eowyn's sorrow, any thoughts?
  3. What about the music that plays during this scene, what do you think?
  4. Additional Comments?





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weaver
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Jun 9 2010, 3:17am

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Another shot that looks like a painting to me... [In reply to] Can't Post

Even if you don't know the back story on who that woman is standing there, you still get the sense, just by looking at this image, that she's lonely and fragile, and waiting for something, gazing out like that; the scale of the setting, too, helps you think that she's like an actor on a stage, part of a bigger picture.

Of course, maybe someone else might look at this and figure she's just waiting for the pizza delivery guy!

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aranelthehobbit22
Gondor


Jun 9 2010, 3:26am

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hahaha Weaver, love that about the pizza delivery man! lol [In reply to] Can't Post

yes it is very cool to see how clear it is to see something of what is happening just by the whole atmosphere of it

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Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Jun 9 2010, 3:30am

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first they pick a stunningly beautiful location [In reply to] Can't Post

then they make an amazing set
and on top of that an awe inspiring score

this has got to be one of the most beautiful scenes in the movie


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SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jun 9 2010, 4:59am

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Like a painting but not a painting [In reply to] Can't Post

Edoras obviously took a lot of work, what do you think about it? It's such a shame that it all had to be taken down afterward. Any comments on the building of Edoras?
It is a shame. I like how Sir Ian spoke of the set pieces as artifacts on the EEs.

The wind and cold seems to reflect Eowyn's sorrow, any thoughts?
For me, at this point in the films, Eowyn's mood and outlook seemed to be on the upswing. Aragorn (unbeknownst to him of course) had proved himself to be worthy of her affection and desire; despite the loss of life at Helm's Deep, her every thought seems bent on Aragorn and the wonderful future they would share.

What about the music that plays during this scene, what do you think?
A favourite theme. A simple motif really, but ancient, noble and haunting all at once.

Additional Comments?
I would love to have been there when this image was made. Edoras was one of the few sets/locations not pieced together with green screens and matte paintings.



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Ataahua
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Jun 9 2010, 5:03am

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when I saw the film I thought the mountains were obviously a matt painting. Evidently they were too stunning for me to believe!

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Lord of Magic
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Jun 9 2010, 8:05pm

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I was very impressed [In reply to] Can't Post

That the took the care that they did in making sure that when they were finished, it would look as if nothing had ever happened there.

3) The instruments that he used were fantastic(i forget the types of course) but I do remember that he used many that were original to New Zealand, including a fiddle that plays the main Rohan theme

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Jettorex
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Jun 9 2010, 8:11pm

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stunning [In reply to] Can't Post

the close up of Eowyns face in this scene gives me goosepimples every time i see it. Amazing.


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squire
Valinor


Jun 9 2010, 9:37pm

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All of "lower Edoras" was a matte painting [In reply to] Can't Post

But the most prominent part of the exterior set, the Golden Hall and the surrounding buildings and stables, was as you say built full scale in the middle of that landscape.

Remember that the interior of Theoden's hall was built on a sound stage. Eowyn's beautiful and dramatic race out onto the terrace was edited together from two stage sets and a "dressed location", with the shots taken probably weeks or months apart in time. In general, to say that a movie set was "pieced together with green screens and matte paintings" can be either a compliment or an insult. It depends solely on how well the pieces were put together! I thought Rivendell and Isengard (model and mattes) were just as successful as Edoras and Hobbiton (built on location).



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SirDennisC
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Jun 10 2010, 1:43am

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they were very successful! The point I was trying to make was that being there, on set at Edoras, would have been very much like being at Edoras since it was a complete installation -- minus the bits you mentioned of course. Not a value judgement, no, because as you say, on film all the locations were successful. But being there, would have been less convincing in the pieced together locations than at Edoras or Hobbiton.

Sorry about the confusion.


Magpie
Immortal


Jun 10 2010, 2:11am

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I do remember that he used many that were original to New Zealand, including a fiddle that plays the main Rohan theme



Actually, I don't think any instruments used were original to NZ. The fiddle used is a Hardanger fiddle which is from Norway. If you're curious, you can read more about the instruments here: http://www.amagpiesnest.com/...ents/instruments.htm

Shore did use Maori voices for Moria segments, however.



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aranelthehobbit22
Gondor


Jun 10 2010, 3:29am

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  • Edoras obviously took a lot of work, what do you think about it? It's such a shame that it all had to be taken down afterward. Any comments on the building of Edoras? I also wish that I could have been there and seen it all set up, this scene is beautiful. Apart from Hobbits I love the people of Rohan. There's this noble beauty about them. The music and costumes and set design were wonderfully done for these people!!

  • The wind and cold seems to reflect Eowyn's sorrow, any thoughts? It is obviously a sad part, and the beauty of the mountains are adding to it. The whole thing is beautiful and sad, heartwrenching. The music and mountains and wind and Eowyns expression all go beautifully!
  • The mountains here are amazing, it's incredible that there is anything so incredible, that is the place I want to go the most, Mt. Sunday. Reminds me of a quote from Cameron Duncan's DFK6498: "I dream of seeing things so beautiful that it hurts to watch them."
  • What about the music that plays during this scene, what do you think? It's some of my favorite from the soundtrack

  • Additional Comments? I want to go to this place so bad, even though all the buildings aren't there anymore, the mountains are so georgeous it almost makes you cry


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    SirDennisC
    Half-elven


    Jun 10 2010, 4:37am

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    Maori is an anagram of Moria (or vice versa). Coincidence?


    Nuradar
    Rohan


    Jun 10 2010, 1:48pm

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    I still think that Edoras (I forget the name of the real place in NZ) looks like a bizzare freak of nature. It's such a strange protrusion of rock in the middle of a huge expanse of flat land. At first I thought they "built" it for the movie, only to be shocked to find out it's actually real.

    The Golden Hall is fantastic - love the horse motifs everywhere.

    Nuradar


    Ethel Duath
    Valinor


    Jun 10 2010, 3:27pm

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    I knew that was a Hardanger the minute I heard it in the movie, even though I'm not sure I'd ever heard one play. My dad sometimes talked about them and described them--and as soon as I heard the "violin-not-a-violin" sound with that deeper buzz (plus the Nordic setting), I knew. I could feel my hair start to stand on end with that incredible sound, and the wind and Edoras--time machine moment! The double fiddle I had no idea about. I listened to the clip, and tried to hear the 2 strings sounding at once, but I couldn't. (Even though they'd have been exactly the same pitch, there should have been a slight "tone color" difference, or a bit of a buzz, but it's very likely it wouldn't be audible without the best sound system (or in the Movie). Or, he's got nice wide fingertips that cover both strings so well, he managed to blend it perfectly!

    Fascinating! (Said Spock). I sent the page link to my dad. He'll not only love it, but will likely come up with several opinions and theories about the whole thing!


    Magpie
    Immortal


    Jun 10 2010, 9:29pm

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    Hardanger Fiddle tunes [In reply to] Can't Post

    Lots of 'em here.


    And.. if you'd like to see some dancing to the Hardanger....

    I find the music and the movement really thrilling, somehow. I can't do that dancing, btw.


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    Oiotári
    Tol Eressea


    Jun 10 2010, 10:26pm

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    It has a very distinctive sound to it [In reply to] Can't Post

    I'm still working my way through all of the sound clips, almost there

    The dance was nice to
    though I chuckled at the slightly out of place acrobatics
    I liked how the sounded footsteps timed to the music

    and as a bonus, since I'm using Windows Media Player, there's purdy colors too Tongue


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    Ethel Duath
    Valinor


    Jun 11 2010, 5:15pm

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    Well, this is strange, [In reply to] Can't Post

    I can't get anything from theat web page to play, although the web page itself displays just fine. The second I click on a link ir goes to a mostly blank page with this in the upper left corner:

    Download Attachment
    Click here to download your attachment.





    So I click "here" and it seems to try to go somewhere, but it just "blinks" for minute and stays on this same blank page. I'm using Firefox, and it doesn't show that "allow" bar for this, or any other indication. Anyone have any ideas? ;(


    Ethel Duath
    Valinor


    Jun 11 2010, 5:21pm

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    Well, well, I got it to work in Camino! : / ??!! // [In reply to] Can't Post

     


    Oiotári
    Tol Eressea


    Jun 11 2010, 5:22pm

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    I can tell you what happened when I opened them, if that helps [In reply to] Can't Post

    I'm using Firefox as well

    I got the same Google sites page
    I clicked on the "here" which brought up a box asking me what program I wanted to view the file with
    Windows Media Player was already selected, so I clicked okay and a screen with the music playing came up

    that probably didn't help though

    maybe Magpie can help, she's the tech wiz


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    Oiotári
    Tol Eressea


    Jun 11 2010, 5:28pm

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    Ethel Duath
    Valinor


    Jun 11 2010, 5:43pm

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    Do you know who Bela Bartok was? 4 of these tunes [In reply to] Can't Post

    sound almost exactly like the music he dug up in Hungary and other parts of Eastern Europe when he and Zoltan Kodaly went around recording the indigenous folk music of the area (in the "Western World" what people thought of as Hungarian Folk music "back then" was really Romany style--also very cool; but not the same thing. The two areas on your website, Magpie, that sound like this are the first and last from "Hallingdal" and the first 2 from "Numedal" (Numenor?! Wink)

    The others don't sound anything like it at all. The similarities are striking--intervals, timing--are these areas closer to, say old "Uralic Speaking" areas (controversial--but that's what it appears some linguists think Hungarian is a part of as a language family), or at least, areas that might have had influences/migrations out or in from Eastern Europe? I have loved Bartok's more folk-oriented music from early childhood; and I teach from a vioin method that has several pieces Bartok wrote/adapted based on the E. European folk music he discovered in his travels--so I really am quite sure of the simiarities. HMMMM!!Unimpressed



    Ethel Duath
    Valinor


    Jun 11 2010, 5:47pm

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    Just watched the dancing-- [In reply to] Can't Post

    Love that big, round skirt puffing out!


    Ethel Duath
    Valinor


    Jun 11 2010, 5:50pm

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    Yes, Camino gave me that little box. Firefox wouldn't give it to me. I wants it Firefox my love. [In reply to] Can't Post

    Give it to us--it's our birthday (not). Sly


    Oiotári
    Tol Eressea


    Jun 11 2010, 5:53pm

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    but the box is its precsious... [In reply to] Can't Post

    maybe you had already selected it to open files with a certain program, and that program wasn't appropriate for music files
    if that's the case there's probably a way to change that, somewhere in Firefox's menu whatchmacallit


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