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Did You Ever Notice... Theoden's Enspelled Costume?

Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Jun 6 2010, 4:01am

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This is an outfit that has definitely seen better days! Rohan's decline is reflected not just in the sickly appearance of their King, but also in his wardrobe.

As usual, I'll start at the bottom and work my way up. There are three layers here. The lowest one is a simple linen (?) robe that's been dirtied up a bit and has some old embroidery on the collar and cuffs.







Then we get this brown robe with distressed embroidery. This looks like it might be a velvet or velour fabric.







And then we get this fur-edge coat. It's actually similarly shaped to Eowyn's blue coat when she's sleeping out by the fire in ROTK. The fur collar has lace and some fabric edging it.









And Theoden has fallen so low, not only has he lost his sword, but his boots have been removed too! His feet are wrapped in furs.



As always, more details over at AlleyCatScratch's amazing site.

Any thoughts?


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Ataahua
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Jun 6 2010, 5:06am

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Man, Theoden was a dribbly eater [In reply to] Can't Post

when he was enspelled, wasn't he? (Even the stains tell a story!)

To be honest I hadn't noticed that he wore a different costume before and after Saruman's spell was broken. But then, I didn't spot Arwen's different costumes when Frodo saw her in the shadow world and then in the 'real' world either, so I'm not the most observant person in the theatre, obviously.

That's a heck of a lot of beige Theoden's wearing - a colour I'd normally attribute to the Shire. Is the absence of rich colours a hint about Theoden losing his majesty?

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GAndyalf
Valinor

Jun 6 2010, 5:12am

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Cool stuff! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thank you! It's been said to death around here, but it's SO DANGED COOL that such fine detail went into even the innermost garments! Thank you, Arwen's Daughter for delighting in bringing them "to light".

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Alcarcalime
Tol Eressea


Jun 6 2010, 11:28am

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I was always so focused on his face I never noticed what he was wearing past its being brown.




Elven
Valinor


Jun 6 2010, 12:19pm

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The Royal Pyjamas ... [In reply to] Can't Post

are looking a bit thin, dont you think? Wink

Ngila did a great job on designing this costume - they do like 'convalecent clothing', or a 'ward' outfit.
I never noticed that the coat was the same as Eowyn beautiful blue coat - this one looks simply disgusting now - moth eathen and ragged. How many things live in that coat besides Theoden.

It even looks as if it stinks Tongue Wink

Great thread as always AD - thankyou so much!

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aranelthehobbit22
Gondor


Jun 6 2010, 5:29pm

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Great post! [In reply to] Can't Post

I love all the costumes in these movies, Ngila certainly did a wonderful job!
For me I've always thought of this costume as like Theoden being in his pajamas.
He's wearing a few layers and they are worn and drabby, and he looks similar to the way I feel when I'm under the weather and stay in my pajamas all day. When he changes in the next scene he's doesn't seem to be wearing so much, not a big overcoat, he's not so worn and tired and sickly and his clothes are richer and not as thick.
From my observations anyway.
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aranelthehobbit22
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Jun 6 2010, 5:30pm

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wow I can't believe i missed that [In reply to] Can't Post

Arwen's clothes were different there! wow i can be insanely unobservant. Wink

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Patty
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Jun 6 2010, 8:36pm

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The robe.. [In reply to] Can't Post

I understand why it (and the rest of this outfit) had to look as if he hadn't been with it enough to take care of them for years. But it's really too bad, because I love this robe, particularly the embroidery that edges it.

Awesome work on the belt, too.

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Oiotári
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Jun 6 2010, 10:15pm

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I've never noticed the similarity either [In reply to] Can't Post

to Eowyn's that is

Eowyn's blue coat always looked to soft and comfortable. Theoden's just looks disgusting, it's so worn and ragged that you can hardly see the similarity


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batik
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Jun 6 2010, 10:47pm

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Seen better days but still... [In reply to] Can't Post

it's a quality get-up from the bottom layer out...'cept for the footwear! Reminds me a bit of descriptions one might read of a former "upper class" person who is down on his/her luck but can still be identified from the cut of the cloth (and such). As I recall, the fur-trimmed outer robe became a richer brown when Gandalf worked his magic here. I will have to rewatch the film to see if Theoden was wearing boots afterwards--probably would be noticeable in the scene he is outside the Hall dealing with Grima.


Kangi Ska
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Jun 6 2010, 11:06pm

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Every on of the LotR costumes amaze me and reinforce my desire for a place [In reply to] Can't Post

to publicly display all of the props created for the project. Perhaps after the Hobbit is done...Angelic

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frederica bolger
Lorien


Jun 6 2010, 11:20pm

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he still wears the footwraps... [In reply to] Can't Post

you can see them when he stumbles down the stairs following Grima. 'Your leechcraft would have me crawling on all fours like a beast..." I remember from one of the extras that Ngila Dickson said that she thought of how people would get Theoden in and out of bed when he's totally disconnected with the world, and then came up with this idea. It does work for the 'lord in his pyjamas' look, and also making him look more 'captive' as he couldn't run away from Grima and co. if he wanted to!

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Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Jun 7 2010, 1:52am

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I've never thought about the lack of color [In reply to] Can't Post

I like your thought that he's losing his majesty. Red is the color of kings in ME, according to Ngila, so it would make sense that the absence of it would be a good sign that Theoden's losing his throne.

It reminds me a bit of the wraith costumes in the ring world, now that you've got me thinking about it. All ragged and drained of color. Interesting.



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weaver
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Jun 8 2010, 12:26am

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he looks like the wraith world version of Denethor.... [In reply to] Can't Post

...to me, anyway...guess it's the heavy robe? Hadn't really thought about comparing the clothing of these two rulers, in symbolic terms, but it fits given that they emphasized how the different fathers/rulers dealt with the loss of of their sons and threats to their realms...

I always loved the Ngila description I read somewhere that she wanted Theoden to look like someone who hadn't gotten out of his bathrobe for years...she certainly nailed that look!

Such an impressive amount of detail for a costume seen so briefly -- wow!

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Lothlorian
Lorien


Jun 10 2010, 1:01am

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he looks like someone who has completely given up - [In reply to] Can't Post

the robe even hangs on him like a sack. It's amazing how much effort went into bringing the trilogy to life. I love this series!

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grammaboodawg
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Jun 13 2010, 12:10am

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His horrendous state [In reply to] Can't Post

always concerned me at how all of those people in his hall when the Hunters and Gandalf arrive could let him stay so filthy and neglected. Then I think that it reflects Wormtongue's power in the hall... that his poison spread through everyone (via Saruman). How did he have everyone believing their King was as he should be. I can imagine the smell.

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the_argonath
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Jun 14 2010, 2:30pm

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Wow - so much detail!! [In reply to] Can't Post

I'd never even noticed his lack of boots, and I love how you pointed out that he's "fallen so low", depicits it exactly! I also love how they managed to distress the embroidery, not just made it a dull colour or something. It's like you can see the months/years of wear and bits caught inbetween, the clothes almost tell his story as well as Theoden himself could....
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