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John Noble's thoughts on Denethor

Arwen Skywalker
Lorien

May 4 2010, 4:38pm


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Some quotes put up here for discussion.

On the essence of Denethor: "The main thing about Denethor is that he's a father, which is something I can relate to very strongly. The approach I took was he's a powerful father, a good man, but he's inexorably drawn to his own destruction because of his grief."

On his relationship with Boromir:
"Boromir was Denethor's favorite son. He was a mirror of Denethor, a big, strong warrior. With the loss of Boromir, it was like Denethor had been killed himself."

On whether he loves Faramir:
"Of course, but Faramir's more similar to Denethor's late wife, and I think he resents the fact she's not there anymore, and that reflects on his relationship with that son."

On his bitterness
: "Denethor is a man who is, quite literally, driven mad by grief and rage. There's a lot of King Lear about this character- the leader who throws his family and kingdom away. He's bitter becomes he never becomes King of Gondor, and Boromir inherited that bitterness. Then his grief over Boromir's death makes him both hate and alienate Faramir, his youngest son. It's an amazing descent to track as an actor."

Book-firsters: Did Tolkien's Denethor come off as a Shakespearean tragic character? Do you agree with Noble's take on Denethor?

If anyone was wondering, the first three quotes were from the official website interview. The last was scavenged from the TORN scrapbook.

Of course, any other quotes or observations are welcome.


(This post was edited by Arwen Skywalker on May 4 2010, 4:38pm)

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John Noble's thoughts on Denethor Arwen Skywalker Send a private message to Arwen Skywalker May 4 2010, 4:38pm
    "[Denethor] loved [Boromir] greatly: too much perhaps; and the more so because they were unlike." squire Send a private message to squire May 4 2010, 9:39pm
        Re: "[Denethor] loved [Boromir] greatly: too much perhaps; and the more so because they were unlike." Gene_Beane Send a private message to Gene_Beane May 4 2010, 11:14pm
        Denethor is the anti-Aragorn Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter May 5 2010, 11:47pm
            Denethor is also the mirror twin of Theodin: Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska May 6 2010, 12:04am
                Absolutely Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter May 6 2010, 2:25am
                    My thoughts exactly! (As an aside. . . Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath May 6 2010, 3:32am
                        I believe that this is unsettled: there was a long thread without resolution.// Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska May 6 2010, 4:23am
                            Basically, either is fine. It's not official - just a courtesy! // FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome May 6 2010, 4:25am
                                OT not quite. / SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC May 6 2010, 4:37am
                            Thanks Kangi and Magpie! Sorry for the OT/ Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath May 6 2010, 1:57pm
                        there is room Magpie Send a private message to Magpie May 6 2010, 4:26am
                I have thought of that many, many times, and given it Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath May 6 2010, 3:29am
                Yes and this comes across in the film FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome May 6 2010, 3:30am
            They even look alike. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand May 6 2010, 3:57am
                Wow, what a great discussion on the old boards, Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath May 6 2010, 4:26am
    I tend to agree with Gene_Beane--- Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath May 5 2010, 3:47am
        The only comment I remember Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode May 5 2010, 8:08pm
            I don't have my Letters either FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome May 6 2010, 12:38am
                That really makes a lot of sense. Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath May 6 2010, 3:25am
            That does sound familiar. Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath May 6 2010, 3:37am
    We got more of Theoden, less of Denethor in the films... weaver Send a private message to weaver May 5 2010, 11:32pm
        Very true. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome May 6 2010, 3:53am
            I'm not sure I agree. sador Send a private message to sador May 6 2010, 9:58am
                It's the difference... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome May 7 2010, 3:50am
                    A nice UUT! sador Send a private message to sador May 7 2010, 5:16am
                        Darn! FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome May 7 2010, 6:37am
                            I never imagined squire Send a private message to squire May 7 2010, 9:28am
                                I was reading Denethor that way... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome May 8 2010, 1:32am
                                    It's not a suicide mission in the books. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand May 8 2010, 3:09am
                                        Faramir argues strongly against the mission FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome May 8 2010, 3:41am
                                    Wow, this thread has really evolved Arwen Skywalker Send a private message to Arwen Skywalker May 9 2010, 8:05pm
                            It's Imrahil who refers to "sand-castles". N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand May 7 2010, 2:56pm
                                Well, Gandalf refers to Denethor sador Send a private message to sador May 7 2010, 3:18pm
                                    Gandalf calls himself a fool, too. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand May 7 2010, 4:54pm
                                        I n't think so... Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska May 7 2010, 8:58pm
                                            NARF - Not a Real Fool? // Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter May 7 2010, 9:12pm
                                                He only got one point on him's hat & no bells...// Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska May 7 2010, 9:23pm
                                        I never said Denethor wasn't sensible. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome May 8 2010, 1:53am
                                I agree with half of your statement FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome May 8 2010, 1:41am
                                    What else should Denethor have done? N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand May 8 2010, 2:51am
                                        Do you want the Rational or the Romantic answer? FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome May 8 2010, 3:27am
    If you check the dates sador Send a private message to sador May 6 2010, 10:13am
    interesting quotes xy May 7 2010, 6:17pm
        Aragorn is also the anti-Sauron.// Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska May 7 2010, 9:03pm
        I think there is a Denethor/Aragorn contrast in the movies FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome May 8 2010, 2:19am
            personally I don't see it xy May 8 2010, 2:59pm
    He would have been great... Marionette Send a private message to Marionette May 8 2010, 7:03pm

 
 
 

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