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John Rhys-Davies On "The Hobbit"

DiveTwin
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Oct 30 2009, 1:52pm

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John Rhys-Davies was, of course, Gimli the dwarf in The Lord of the Rings, and gave the series many of its funniest and most memorable moments. And while Gimli doesn't appear in The Hobbit, his father Gloin does, so we asked him recently whether he'd be back for another go.

"I've already been asked and to be honest with you, I wouldn't. I have already completely ruled it out. There's a sentimental part of me that would love to be involved again. Really I am not sure my face can take that sort of punishment any more."

So not even a small cameo?

"Why would you want to do it if it was just a couple of shots? When you've been 1 of 1, why would you want to be 1 of 13?"

But the production did ask if he'd be interested in returning.

"It was just a gentle "What would you feel about putting it on again?" But no. I'd be interested in trying to create a different type of persona within... the thing. That is challenging as an actor. I'd really prefer to play something quite different. Maybe an Elf. They've got a different set of problems with The Hobbit because you've got 13 dwarves, a whole band of them... You're trying to represent a whole race... You're trying to do for dwarves what The Lord of the Rings did for hobbits. "

Hmm, so Gimli won't be playing his own father, it seems - but he isn't completely ruling out a return to the world of Middle Earth. Still, we're going to have to put him out of the running in our fantasy casting of Thorin Oakenshielf, Fili, Kili, Oin, Gloin, Dwalin, Balin, Bifur, Bofur, Bombur, Dori, Nori and Ori.

Empire Magazine

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Zmulady
Rohan

Oct 30 2009, 3:48pm

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figured this, but still [In reply to] Can't Post

it would be cool to see him back. It's too bad they can't come up with some different kind of make up balance that would be more comfortable for him.



diedye
Grey Havens


Oct 30 2009, 5:08pm

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Why not have him be the voice of Smaug?... [In reply to] Can't Post

He did a pretty good job with Treebeard and it wouldn't involve any prosthetics.



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Patty
Immortal


Oct 30 2009, 5:15pm

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To me, his voice is too identifiable. I find that's the one thing... [In reply to] Can't Post

in casting that was a big mistake. With so many other choices, why did they have JRD voice Treebeard? He's good, but not nearly good enough to hide that it was Gimli talking.

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Jazmine
Tol Eressea


Oct 30 2009, 7:16pm

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How about... [In reply to] Can't Post

They cast him as Bilbo? Tongue


Tim
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Oct 30 2009, 7:35pm

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I agree Patty [In reply to] Can't Post

I picked his voice out right away that he was Treebeard. I'm not surprised at all he doesn't want to be a dwarf again. He positively HATED the prosthetics he had to wear and they would have to drag him kicking and screaming into them again. I watched him burn the thing in the behind-the-scenes features. They may well find something else for him to do yet though and that would be very much in the awesome category if they did.

I also will mention it was classy that they asked him to come aboard again.

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Patty
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Oct 30 2009, 7:44pm

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I will say though, that if the script is written in such a way... [In reply to] Can't Post

as to show Gimli (not Gloin)--I don't know, as a guest at Rivendell or whatever (I hope not), then I hope JRD would agree to play him. Otherwise, it would best serve the movie for him to sit back and relax and enjoy the show (IMHO).

You can see that I'm one who is strongly on the side of continuity.

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DiveTwin
Rohan


Oct 30 2009, 8:42pm

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Use His Voice [In reply to] Can't Post

I suppose we could just use his voice if the script has any appearance by Gimli somewhere. I would imagine it would be a brief appearance at most (if at all), though I really don't know where that would make sense. However, since he had a size double before they could use the double and shoot from the side, back, angle, etc. so you don't clearly see his face but you would recognize that voice of his.

I think the idea of finding spots for LOTR characters was more prevalent when the bridge movie was considered but I would guess there's less of a chance now.

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Snaga
Lorien


Oct 30 2009, 9:12pm

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Was he really asked to come back? [In reply to] Can't Post


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"I've already been asked and to be honest with you, I wouldn't. I have already completely ruled it out. There's a sentimental part of me that would love to be involved again. Really I am not sure my face can take that sort of punishment any more."




Couldn't this be taken to mean that he had already been asked his feelings on the matter by someone else? I don't read it to necessarily mean that he had been asked to come back by the production staff. Maybe thats just me.

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Woodyend
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Oct 30 2009, 9:18pm

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Is it true that he now lives in NZ? [In reply to] Can't Post

If so, I bet he gets involved in some capacity with the movies.

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Compa_Mighty
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Oct 30 2009, 9:25pm

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I believe he meant having been asked by journalists... but I can't assure you anything. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Kyriel
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Oct 30 2009, 9:49pm

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Well, if it's continuity you value... [In reply to] Can't Post

Don't Dwarves age at something close to the same rate as hobbits? So during Bilbo's adventure, Gimli would have appeared much, much younger; he might even have been a kid. Continuity would mean that if he appeared in The Hobbit, someone other than JRD should play him! Cool

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Ataahua
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Oct 30 2009, 9:58pm

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He has done, [In reply to] Can't Post

though I'm not sure if he still does.

I hope he at least gets to hang out on set and kick back with the cast and crew - and I bet the cast and crew would love to have him (and his stories) around as well. :)

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Mark Sommer
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Oct 31 2009, 3:06am

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This is clarified a bit later... [In reply to] Can't Post

The article says: "But the production did ask if he'd be interested in returning."

These are not Davies' words, of course, but I assume the magazine writer based this on specific information and not just speculation about what Davies meant.

BTW, what do you think about him voicing Smaug? Do you think he could pull it off? I think I'll start a thread asking this question.

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Elven
Valinor


Oct 31 2009, 3:29am

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He could always teach a dwarve how to be a dwarve ... [In reply to] Can't Post

SmileHe's such a character (as in 'larger than life' person) and I think it was Philippa who said (something like) if you need to know what a Middle Earth Drawve is like, get JRD.
Maybe his role will be behind the sceness then, and not on the screen.

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Patty
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Oct 31 2009, 3:47am

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With all that make-up on... [In reply to] Can't Post

who could tell?Wink

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Tim
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Oct 31 2009, 7:46am

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According to the Encyclopedia of Arda they live around 250 years, so that's roughly more than twice as long as a hobbit.

http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/d/dwarves.html


And... according to wikipedia, Gimli is about 11 years older than Bilbo. Gimli is born supposedly in 2879 and Bilbo is born in 2890. So, it probably wouldn't work that Gimli is a kid in The Hobbit if they're sticking with literature. Unsure

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Wandering Ranger
Rivendell


Oct 31 2009, 9:48am

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true, that being said [In reply to] Can't Post

I am pretty sure that there is a quote either in the ROTK Appendices of UT that says Gimli wanted to come on the Quest for Erebor but was deemed too young which would imply he is alot younger than the one seen in LOTR. TBH, I am not really that upset about this news all right it's dissapointing but Gimli's story is LOTR, not TH I just see this as one less cameo they can shoe horn in. Nw all we need is Orlando Bloom saying no *eagerly waits*Wink

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Sunflower
Valinor

Oct 31 2009, 11:57pm

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He'd love to drop in on the set once in a while, just to share the vibe and remember old times. I suspect that once filming gets underway, it'll be the same for much of the LOTR cast--wild horses couldn't keep them awaySmile.

What I would like is for something like he said: a small role with no make-up. Something he could sink his teeth into, like a crony in The Master of Laketown's inner circle. He'd have a wonderful "florid merchant burgher" look to him. Too bad he couldn't play a character like that with the colorful language of another of my favorte roles of his, the sailor Rodrigues from "Shogun."


grammaboodawg
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Nov 1 2009, 5:07am

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I'm relieved that he doesn't want [In reply to] Can't Post

to play Gloin. He's been Gimli and is so established there... and as a voiced character in Treebeard. Unless there's something created with townsfolk (Master of Lake-town?)... maybe in Bee... I'd prefer he sit this one out along with Elijah Wood, Sean Astin, and the other hobbits.

Although... hidden cameos of each of the major players from LotR would be fun to have scattered throughout the films. I know those treasure hunts of cameos in the 3 films is a lot of fun... along with identifying Chapter titles. Food for Geeks!

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grammaboodawg
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Nov 1 2009, 5:36am

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His voice is so defined [In reply to] Can't Post

for me as a booming Treebeard/Gimli-esque delivery that it would be quite a distraction. I've always thought of Smaug's voice as more silky and sinister... like Jeremy Irons or maybe Craig Parker (Haldir). Now he has a very versatile voice and shows up quite often in LotR where you'd never guess it was him (skull-topped orc and Lord of the Nazgul). He also does a wicked-great Gollum when I heard him read Riddles In the Dark with Mark Ferguson (Gil-galad) at The Gathering of the Fellowship in Toronto (2003). He'd also make a great Bilbo, imho.

Then again... I dearly love John Hurt's voice; and he voiced Aragorn in the Bakshi adaptation. Now there's silky and insidious with some power waiting in the wings (pardon the pun ;)

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"There is more in you of good than you know, child of the kindly West."
~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."

I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.



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The Grey Wanderer
Lorien


Nov 1 2009, 10:33am

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That is a great idea [In reply to] Can't Post

Teaching the Dwarves to be Dwarves would certainly be a great idea as he has defined the nature of Dwarves for the movies. While each of the lead fourteen Dwarves in the movie (at least - don't forget Dain) will have unique personalities, they all need to speak with a similar pseudo-scottish accent, etc. Despite the inherent flavor differences between the Hobbit and LOTR, continuity demands that the Dwarves come across as one race (or sub-race, since we only see Durin's folk).

Perhaps a role he might be interested would be Beorn? (Sorry Elven, Russell Crowe is not my favorite actor; besides - with his "major leading actor status", his salary demands would probabily cost the production at least 6 dwarves...).


sticklebat
Lorien


Nov 2 2009, 6:59pm

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yeah...no... [In reply to] Can't Post

simply because he is distinctly the voices of two other characters...
seriously...I can already hear Treebeard when I hear Gimli and vice versa...
is there an actor shortage or something? there are literally hundreds of other choices...
I just don't see the sense in casting him as Smaug...Unimpressed

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luckylily
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Nov 3 2009, 10:16pm

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I concur as well [In reply to] Can't Post

Nothing against JHD's voice, it's lovely and rich, but Treebeard is a very, very large creature. There are actors and vocalists out there with deeper and lower vocal ranges. I found JHD's voice over for Treebeard very distracting - much too obviously his. I feel they should have cast someone with a deeper voice.

(This post was edited by luckylily on Nov 3 2009, 10:17pm)

 
 

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