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MrCere
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Aug 28 2009, 9:50am
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Please let those 3D 'Hobbit' rumors rest in peace
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The post on main makes it pretty clear that Guillermo del Toro hasn't been talking about doing "The Hobbit" movies in 3D. As the director he kinda knows stuff like that. It did move Calisuri to create a great Bilbo graphic though! Someday we will see 'The Hobbit' in 3D, when the studios decide to go back to the barn and milk the cash cow, but that isn't what GDT is doing.
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Buchanicus
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Aug 28 2009, 10:26am
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Good to hear. I for one am not impressed with 3D and feel it is just a gimmick to get people to go to the theater. Plus I HATE wearing the glasses...and I just wanted The Hobbit films to match the tone and presentation of the LotR films as much as possible...so no 3D is a very, very good thing.
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Mitrandir
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Aug 28 2009, 10:59am
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I've seen films in 3d, and as i suspected on forehand, it's overrated. vision gets kind of limited with the glasses on, at least that's how it feels, they feel out of place. Like your missing something of the experience or whats going on on the screen. This is good news.
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Aug 28 2009, 11:26am
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Earl
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Aug 28 2009, 11:39am
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Perhaps saying it in 2D is best for this occassion! So... YAY!!
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Parker
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Aug 28 2009, 11:52am
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...or does this not seem like a "Yes" or "No" answer. I think the baby is in the crib, but still has one eye open.
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xxxyyy
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Aug 28 2009, 12:21pm
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Good good! Consistency till death!
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LOTR is in 2D, keep the Hobbit in 2D and spend the money you save in other, more important, things. Not that I don't like 3D, but LOTR was in 2D.
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Patty
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Aug 28 2009, 12:26pm
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I love consistancy, too. And LotR was in 2D. But...
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I would have loved to see The Hobbit in 3D given the newest 3D tech available. I did read somewhere that LotR (as well as other films that made over $100 million ) may someday be candidates for that new technology that can elicit a 3D movie from a 2D one. No, I can't provide the link for the source of that info, though.
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jimdorey
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Aug 28 2009, 1:01pm
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Del Toro Said Exactly... Nothing.
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Sorry - but he did not say yes or no here. He deftly sidestepped the question. Rest assured there have been many conversations in the past and the movie will be in 3D. GDT may select DP, etc, but it was PJ who selected GDT *and* is writing the adaptation. When you write a script for a 3D movie, the camera angles, movements, lighting - just about everything includes 3D requirements if it is shot in native 3D and not converted. I do not know how PJ is arriving at 3D for THE HOBBIT but I would be surprised if it is not native 3D. If GDT was certain as to his answer, he would have told the one site in the world that truly deserves the truth - yet he did NOT say NO. That my friends, has a lot of volume. Mark my words - THE HOBBIT will be in 3D. My sources let me know first that PJ had settled his dispute with New Line and was attached yet again to the project. I also exposed that the LOTR trilogy would be converted to 3D. When it is a rumor I say it - like the thrid bridge movie - I have no collaboration on that, but it is a strong rumor. Great site as always! Talk soon.
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Mithrandír
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Aug 28 2009, 1:25pm
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is that it will be in both 2d and 3d. the technology means that you can show it in 2d and 3d...if i'm not mistaking. not been reading up on 3d:)
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Gwynhyffar
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Aug 28 2009, 1:41pm
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As much as I would like to think that GDT said it wouldn't be 3D, I can't. It does look a bit like a side-step. PJ stated months ago (of course I can't find the source now) that they were looking at 3D. That hardly sounds like no discussion had taken place about it.
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Tim
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Aug 28 2009, 1:58pm
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"no discussions" means "no discussions". Anyone not looking for a conspiracy is going to read this as a "no". Why would GDT risk angering fans by playing with us back and forth on 3D? He's gone above and beyond in being friendly with us and sharing what he can, I don't see him as really gaining anything by messing with our heads on this.
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squire
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Aug 28 2009, 2:19pm
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How are 3D scripts different from 2D scripts?
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That's so interesting. Can you give us more details or a technical website where this is discussed? All the scripts I've ever read give little or no information about camera angles, lighting, or actor movements. They focus on dialogue, situation, and conflicts. Anything else is taking away power from the director to make the blocking, set-up, and shot choices later on in the production, using storyboards and mockup shots. As others have said here, it's more likely that movies made today (including possibly The Hobbit) will be exhibited in both 2D and 3D formats, and that would seem to dictate leaving the shots up to the director, not locking them into the script. A script written the way you say, especially for 3D, might not be such a great basis for a 2D version! One of the biggest criticisms of 3D movies is that they so often incorporate shots whose only purpose is to display the 3D format: things coming at you "through the screen". Even if this is effective as a thrill generator in 3D, it usually looks particularly stupid when seen in 2D. The general impression left over is that the filmmaker has confused his job with that of a ride designer at a theme park.
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jimdorey
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Aug 28 2009, 2:30pm
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First of all - a well done 3D movie has little to no objects flying off the screen at you - 3D is used as just another tool and mainly for depth and immersion. Quality work like AVATAR, TINTIN and THE HOBBIT will be tastefully done. Secondly, scripts by all means include guidelines for setting mood and environment - most know that. I don't know where you came up with locking up a director to what is in the script, but it is there as a guide and it is not a holy grail. BUT it is an indication of where the director should go. Dialogue is affected by what happens in the environment. AVATAR was written and shot for 3D, but rest assured it will look awesome in 2D as well.
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Tim
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Aug 28 2009, 2:33pm
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One of the biggest criticisms of 3D movies is that they so often incorporate shots whose only purpose is to display the 3D format: things coming at you "through the screen". Even if this is effective as a thrill generator in 3D, it usually looks particularly stupid when seen in 2D. The general impression left over is that the filmmaker has confused his job with that of a ride designer at a theme park. Well said Squire and I totally agree - this has been a pet peeve of mine for a looooong time. I haven't seen one 3D movie where the film maker hasn't been guilty of this.
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Tim
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Aug 28 2009, 2:39pm
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First of all - a well done 3D movie has little to no objects flying off the screen at you - 3D is used as just another tool and mainly for depth and immersion. Quality work like AVATAR, TINTIN and THE HOBBIT will be tastefully done. Yeah except you can take The Hobbit off your list as I posted earlier, unless you can convince me somehow that GDT has some reason to mislead us and then tick us off later.
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jimdorey
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Aug 28 2009, 2:53pm
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GDT has not mislead you - merely sidestepped you. Two entirely different things. Oh and just watch AVATAR in December. You will be satisfied.
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N.E. Brigand
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Aug 28 2009, 3:08pm
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How do you punish your anonymous sources when they're wrong?
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According to this post quoting you back in December 2007, you reported then about Peter Jackson that your "sources are 'guaranteeing' that he will direct" -- in fact, you said "they are staking their reputation on it". Can we assume that you've dumped those sources, and that your information on The Hobbit being made in 3-D comes from more reliable people?
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Mithrandír
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Aug 28 2009, 3:15pm
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a well done 3d-film doesn't send stuff at you at every opportunity. It breaks your concentration and it becomes a 3d-effect, not a part of the story telling. If orc-blood comes splattering every time an orc is killed the effects make you too aware that it's a 3d-film. The film and the story becomes second. That's my experience at least.
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 28 2009, 3:23pm
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GdT is the co-screenwriter as well as the director
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Sorry - but he did not say yes or no here. He deftly sidestepped the question. Rest assured there have been many conversations in the past and the movie will be in 3D. GDT may select DP, etc, but it was PJ who selected GDT *and* is writing the adaptation. Jackson is *not* "writing the adaptation." He is one of four co-writers who are cowriting the adaptation. And, of course, del Toro is one of the other co-writers. Therefore, if what you say is true about writing a script in 3D is true, it would be all the more true that del Toro would be intimately involved in any discussions about having the films be in 3D. You are, in essense, accusing him of flat-out lying when he stated “I can safely say that, as of this moment, there are absolutely NO conversations about doing the HOBBIT films in 3D.” I for one find that quite offensive.
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Garfeimao
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Aug 28 2009, 4:19pm
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I can't believe after all the open discussion GDT has had here on this site, and in other fan forums, that people actually think he is willfully lying or purposefully being misleading. From the very beginning when he was first announced and everyone thought that would mean a drastically different looking film from the trilogy, GDT has gone out of his way to state that The Hobbit will look very much a part of those films, including film format. That means both the aspect ratio as well as the 2D format those films were filmed in.
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farmer maggot
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Aug 28 2009, 4:22pm
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Just a thought here because both views may be 'right'
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GDT did not say flatly 'no -not in 3D' as some posters have correctly pointed out. But if shooting is to start in 7 months time how could conversations not be taking place if it is being shot in 3D - GDT categorically said they are not. So we have a riddle. If the technology exists for a 2D to 3D conversion (which it does) and if 3D is taking off would it not make marketing sense for a later re-release of the Trilogy to include showings in 3D - to give fresh experience to the huge mainstream audience and entice them to take a look? If so then converted 3D Hobbit films would be logical for a (then) consistent experience. GDT may just be leaving the door ajar for 3D Hobbit versions at that point - with no current intention to release it only or originally in 3D.
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Tim
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Aug 28 2009, 7:12pm
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... same thing. Anyone NOT looking for a conspiracy is going to read "no discussions" as a no. If these guys aren't preparing for 3D, then there's no 3D. And you still haven't offered a compelling reason for him to sidestep us on this matter. Or mislead us. If it's going to be in 3D, then why wouldn't he just say it's going to be in 3D? If they hadn't decided on that yet - then guess what - they'd be discussing it. It's been pointed out your sources have been wrong before about PJ directing. I saw plenty of these kind of rumors when I modded the Star Wars forums during the ramp up of the prequels - so no offense man but I take them with a grain of salt.
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Buchanicus
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Aug 28 2009, 9:17pm
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That granted I only saw 16 minutes or so of footage, but I did attend the Avatar day screening and was completely unsatisfied! In fact, all of my doubts and complaints about the format were once again reinforced (as I posted in the Avatar thread in OT board). I pretty much decided that come December I would be seeing it on a digital 2D screen, instead of paying extra to see a IMAX 3D version. It's not even a question of it not being worth it to me...I personally think that the trailer looked better on a 2D screen than the 16 minutes of 3D I saw. Look, I'm not against the technology, I just don't think this material needs to be or should be presented in this format. I personally think that a 3D tag takes some of the prestige away from the film, it becomes about something else. Of course this is just my opinion though, I definitely don't want to make up anyone elses mind.
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