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.Ithilwen.
Rivendell
Aug 14 2009, 4:44pm
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SCOD ~ 14 July, 2009~ Argonath
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Last day! Thanks for all the responses this week!
Choosing images was tricky today...There are actually 2 scenes in this section. and I'm bad a choosing so I'm using 3 pictures.
Here, we have Boromir and Aragorn having a rather heated discussion.
And here is Argonath from afar. The boats look so tiny next to the statues...
The third image is again, Boromir. But look how quickly he goes from anger to awe...
1.) Book-firsters? When you saw Argonath, did you think it was an accurate representation? And movie-firsters if/when you read this section of the book did the scene from the movie fit?
2.) Now, Sean Bean. Was he you perfect Boromir?
3.) And my favorite thing to talk about: Costumes. In the 2 Boromir images, you get a pretty good look and his collar area. His sleeves appear to be a finer fabric, his vest leather w/ embroidery and he has a beautiful collar. Is this appropriate for a man of Gondor and a son of the Steward?
4.) As always thoughts and comments are always welcome!
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One Ringer
Tol Eressea
Aug 14 2009, 5:08pm
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The Argonath is a sight to behold ...
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It's one of those incredible, awe-strucking, mystical landmarks that, no matter what you're feeling at the time, when you see these statues, it's just to amazing to feel mad, sad, or even glad at the time. You're just amazed by the structure, the scale, and what it stands for. To me, it is almost like man's greatest accomplishment in Middle-Earth. I know, there's Minas Tirith, but this is completely different. It's in a place of quiet nature, so it makes it look even more magnificent. The detail, and how long it must have taken to build are those little things that you have to take into mind when examining something such as this.
But, as we all know, in real life, they aren't that big. 
Personally I think Sean Bean is an excellent Boromir. In one way, he's able to express the brave, noble side of the character, while at the same time portray the dark and corrupted part. What stands out is his final confrontation with Frodo. There we have a mix of everything, his hate, ambition, sensitivity, and compassion for good. Couldn't have found a better actor for Boromir.
Great screencaps Ithilwen! 
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Loresilme
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Aug 14 2009, 8:55pm
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What is Boromir thinking as he sees the Argonath...
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Boromir has been losing hope, after fighting for so long, for his whole life, to keep the greatness and honor of Gondor alive. Now here he suddenly is presented this awesome sight, evidence of the dignity and grandeur of the ancient days. It's as if for a moment the shadow of the Ring passes and he is able to be gladdened, reassured ... he is reminded of why they are fighting and why it's all worth it. Sadly though, the pull of the Ring is soon to return, and the conviction and emotion of this moment will fade and be lost to him.
At least, Boromir was able to behold this sight, before he died.
Nice screencaps, .Ithilwen.... thanks!
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Artanis
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Aug 14 2009, 9:17pm
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1.) Book-firsters? When you saw Argonath, did you think it was an accurate representation? And movie-firsters if/when you read this section of the book did the scene from the movie fit?
I have to admit I haven't read LOTR that many times, so I can't remember the description...but.........I LOVE this scene in the film
2.) Now, Sean Bean. Was he you perfect Boromir?
Sean Bean ...he is Boromir! If he found Boromir a hard character to act, he doesn't show it at all. The range of emotions he has to portray are staggering, but he does it all with ease it seems. Excellent.
3.) And my favorite thing to talk about: Costumes. In the 2 Boromir images, you get a pretty good look and his collar area. His sleeves appear to be a finer fabric, his vest leather w/ embroidery and he has a beautiful collar. Is this appropriate for a man of Gondor and a son of the Steward?
I have to say evertime I see Arwen's Daughter clothing post, I always think afterwards 'Oh, that was the best costume' and then she posts another one and then that is the best one! Honestly, I don't think I will ever get over how much detail went into the clothing.
I'm so glad you chose to put the Argonath picture up 
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weaver
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Aug 14 2009, 11:11pm
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I never had a clear idea of what these guys looked like...
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...so the Jackson version works fine for me. But I know others have taken issue with the arms being that outstretched, both in terms of how Tolkien described them and the realism of it; apparently, it's structurally not all that feasible to make an arm like that, or at least to have it last 3,000 years or so...
I liked that they really didn't explain these statues too much in the films -- just showed them to us, and showed the impact of seeing them on Aragorn. Knowing less is more effective here -- the visual effect is powerful enough on its own, particularly for me, those shots of the boats going past the feet of these guys.
On Boromir, I pretty much like every Sean Bean scene, these two included!
Thanks for the nice shots this week -- very enjoyable to discuss!
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Tol Eressea
Aug 15 2009, 2:16am
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1.) Book-firsters? When you saw Argonath, did you think it was an accurate representation? And movie-firsters if/when you read this section of the book did the scene from the movie fit?
I am a book-firster and I knew when I saw the Argonath that they were not exactly like Tolkien's description, but they had such a visual impact, I didn't care.
2.) Now, Sean Bean. Was he you perfect Boromir?
Yes, he made a good Boromir even though he didn't have dark hair as described in the book!
3.) And my favorite thing to talk about: Costumes. In the 2 Boromir images, you get a pretty good look and his collar area. His sleeves appear to be a finer fabric, his vest leather w/ embroidery and he has a beautiful collar. Is this appropriate for a man of Gondor and a son of the Steward?
I think it is perfect for the oldest son and heir of the ruler of Gondor.
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Tol Eressea
Aug 16 2009, 12:33am
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Now, Sean Bean. Was he you perfect Boromir?
Oh my, yes! I didn't care a whole lot for Boromir the first couple of times I saw "Fellowship..." (until the death scene) but Sean's performance allowed me to pick up on the not so obvious strengths/flaws of this character during subsequent viewings.
And my favorite thing to talk about: Costumes. In the 2 Boromir images, you get a pretty good look and his collar area. His sleeves appear to be a finer fabric, his vest leather w/ embroidery and he has a beautiful collar. Is this appropriate for a man of Gondor and a son of the Steward?
Yes, again. Probably *best dressed* male throughout the trilogy.
As always thoughts and comments are always welcome!
Boromir looks very boyish when he sees the Argonath, which btw was/is very impressive to look at but as others have commented--probably not structurally feasible. But cool nonetheless!
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Rohan
Aug 16 2009, 3:32am
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1.) Book-firsters? When you saw Argonath, did you think it was an accurate representation? And movie-firsters if/when you read this section of the book did the scene from the movie fit?
Well, I saw the movies first, so when I read the part of the book where the Fellowship sees the Argonath, I thought Jackson did an excellent job portraying this magical part from the book.
2.) Now, Sean Bean. Was he you perfect Boromir?
I think he was a perfect Boromir. He really captured that "feeling" you get from Boromir in the books.
3.) And my favorite thing to talk about: Costumes. In the 2 Boromir images, you get a pretty good look and his collar area. His sleeves appear to be a finer fabric, his vest leather w/ embroidery and he has a beautiful collar. Is this appropriate for a man of Gondor and a son of the Steward?
Indeed it is appropriate for his status in Gondor.
4.) As always thoughts and comments are always welcome!
I love how Boromir was angry, scowling at Aragorn from his boat in one frame, and then in the next, in an awe stage, looking up at the Argonath. Shows that no matter how furious you are, the Argonath will clear up any emotions.
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Aug 17 2009, 12:50pm
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1.) Book-firsters? When you saw Argonath, did you think it was an accurate representation? And movie-firsters if/when you read this section of the book did the scene from the movie fit?
I thought it was amazing to see the towering statues, I find the geography of Middle-earth confusing but this really helped in relation to where they had been and where they would all go. Sort of.
2.) Now, Sean Bean. Was he you perfect Boromir?
He was more, I have said it before, but before movie Boromir, I didn't feel much sympathy towards him. Then Sean Bean (along with the writers) came along and I find I can now re-read book Boromir and really feel for him. Personally I would have liked to have seen him as Aragorn- just to see...
3.) And my favorite thing to talk about: Costumes. In the 2 Boromir images, you get a pretty good look and his collar area. His sleeves appear to be a finer fabric, his vest leather w/ embroidery and he has a beautiful collar. Is this appropriate for a man of Gondor and a son of the Steward?
Yes, I really like the Boromir costume, it is my favourite man costume. I like the colour, it is the sort of colour I would wear. Although I don't suppose many men could carry off the embroidery and still be manly.
4.) As always thoughts and comments are always welcome!
Thank you- there have been some cool pictures to study.
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Aug 17 2009, 1:30pm
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He's coming home... and he's bringing help. He's fighting for that in this first pic and can't understand why his king is hesitating to come. I think he believes in Aragorn by now. These really are great shots bringing us into Boromir's world.
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I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.
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MidnightRanger
The Shire
Aug 19 2009, 6:52am
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1.) Book-firsters? When you saw Argonath, did you think it was an accurate representation? And movie-firsters if/when you read this section of the book did the scene from the movie fit?
Ok, I was a movie-firster for the Fellowship, book-firster for TTT and ROTK. Hell, I had never even heard of LOTR when the first movie came out, since I was 12 or 13 years old, 20 now. Regardless, when I finally did get around to reading the Fellowship book (AFTER I saw the second and third movies) I thought seeing Jackson's version first actually made it all the more enjoyable to read about. Honestly, Jackson put such an emphasis on making the Argonath so magnificent. Let me be honest for a second here. As a 12 or 13 year old who was clueless at the time, I was bored as hell watching the Fellowship until the battle at the bridge of Khazad-Dum. Then I got bored again until I saw the Agornath. Ever since, I have been hooked on LOTR. So yes, I would see Jackson did a good job making it work.
2.) Now, Sean Bean. Was he you perfect Boromir?
I didn't know who Sean Bean was at the time the movie came out. Again, clueless little boy. However, eventually I realized that he was the bad guy from James Bond (Goldeneye). But it's been only recently that I have been able to appreciate the beauty of Sean Bean's performance as Boromir. In the book, Faramir was my favorite character. He was one of few truly honorable humans in the Third Age, since he was able to let Frodo go, understanding the importance of the mission he was on. In the movie, however, I realized something about Boromir. He IS a human being. Let me explain. Boromir is overtaken by greed and the selfishness of his own wants. Aren't all humans susceptible to that kind of stuff? So he, being a human being, gets caught up in himself and tries to take the ring from Frodo. And then later on, he realizes how wrong he was and tries to make amends for it by sacrificing himself for the good of the world. Another part of being human, basic emotion. He felt sorrow and regret for the wrong he had just done. And I thought Sean Bean portrayed those emotions so well. He went from greed and regret perfectly, just like a normal human would feel. And because of that, he was not only my perfect Bormor, but enough to make Boromir pretty much my favorite LOTR character. I really felt drawn to Boromir because he was portrayed to be a normal human being. Heroes in other movies are almost never flawed in such a manner.
3.) And my favorite thing to talk about: Costumes. In the 2 Boromir images, you get a pretty good look and his collar area. His sleeves appear to be a finer fabric, his vest leather w/ embroidery and he has a beautiful collar. Is this appropriate for a man of Gondor and a son of the Steward?
Boromir was a Captain of the armies of Gondor, and the son of the Steward of the most powerful nation in Middle-Earth. In a sense, he was kind of a prince, but not really. Yes, Boromir wears a leather vest, but so does Aragorn, and unless I am mistaken, Faramir did as well. His sleeves do look rather nice, but as a man with a strong reputation, you would expect him to dress a little nicer. The collar is the only thing that really does suggest what his title really is, and even that is not OVERLY noticeable. Personally, Boromir does not dress how you might typically expect a captain and Steward's son to dress. I personally feel that he knew the importance of his mission, that he was not by himself looking for personal glory, but rather, an unlikely band of a wizard, an elf, a dwarf, two men and four hobbits were out on the most important quest the world had known since the days of Isildur. Therefore, I think Boromir did not dress overly flashy because he knew the mission was not about him, but rather, the ringbearer, who he also swore himself to. He could have dressed more royalty-like, since he and Legolas were the only two of royalty, but they both chose to stay more laid back and not be the center of attention, which I think is respectable.
I'd be interested to hear anyone's comments, especially on #2 and #3.
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Aug 19 2009, 10:05pm
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What I like about Jackson's Boromir is that he's not just flawed, but that his storyline includes recognition of that aspect of himself, and direct action on his part to do something about it. Here's a hero who actually acknowledges and confronts his failings, rather than just channeling it into taking out some bad guys.
Aragorn's response to Boromir is also pretty key to me. Forgiving him, and giving him the gift of seeing that his actions led to some good, provides closure for Boromir, and is very powerful, to me.
We live in a time of such suspicion, in terms of our leaders ...where I see many good people choose not to run for office or take up leadership because of how they'll be opening themselves and their families up to attack for any time they aren't perfect. In these two characters, as Jackson presented them on screen, I find much to admire and reflect on in terms of how we see, judge and respond to leaders in RL.
I've mused from time to time that the LOTR films would be great to use in teaching a contemporary leadership class -- there's such a great variety of characters, and non-traditional hero types represented, and they are all pretty much responding to the ripple effect of forces beyond their control impacting them. Really, everyone has some kind of "leadership moment" in the films -- where they have to choose to do the right thing, under circumstances that really challenge them, and where the choices they make have profound impact on someone else.
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Aug 24 2009, 2:19am
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See this post and the responses to it for more on Jackson's fidelity (or not) to Tolkien.
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.Ithilwen.
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Aug 24 2009, 2:04pm
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