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This is why I think, we had Arwen at Helm’s Deep.
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Voorhas
Lorien


Jun 3 2009, 10:14pm

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Homage or Rip-Off? [In reply to] Can't Post

Here's an odd case of sideways plagiarism:



Karamba, Karacho, ein Whisky


squire
Half-elven


Jun 3 2009, 10:32pm

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I remember that story-arc. The bad guy was a frustrated and angry young teen who did nothing but read The Lord of the Rings while dwelling on the injustice and evil in the world that prevented him, etc. The artist showed him carrying around a thick but featureless brown book with the title written out so you wouldn't miss the connection!

Somehow (I forget) he gets transformed into a super-powered pterodactyl creature, and he names himself "Sauron" in honor of his favorite super-villain! Thus the cover you found - cool!

Remember that X-men was specifically written for a teen audience, so teen super-villains often appeared to duke it out with the talented mutant teens of Prof. Xavier's "academy".



squire online:
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Lights! Action! Discuss on the Movie board!: 'A Journey in the Dark'. and 'Designing The Two Towers'.
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Annael
Immortal


Jun 3 2009, 11:28pm

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I was just baffled at what people read into the character.


It seems to me that Tolkien's letter showed that what I "read into the character" was, in fact, exactly what he intended.

I do agree that the movie Eowyn was not much like book Eowyn.

You might be interested in reading this poll on the topic of who came closest to the book character.




To light a candle is to cast a shadow.
- Ursula K. Le Guin

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almas_sparks
Rohan

Jun 4 2009, 12:00am

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McKellen = Gandalf. Others played characters with more or less success but he was the character.

"It seems to me that Tolkien's letter showed that what I "read into the character" was, in fact, exactly what he intended."

Then maybe I`m just stupid because I didn`t see this at all from his writing. Perhaps I am dumb, after all, I`m a Twi-hard,no? We are shallow, dumb, immature, etc. Wink


Twilight sneaks into the Houses of Healing:

F: "And the lion fell in love with the lamb..."

E:"What a stupid lion!"

F:"Er, I don`t think I`m stupid..."

E:"No, I said 'What a stupid lion, means me, to fall in love with a lamb, means you'"

F:"WHAT DO YOU MEAN, I AM A LAMB?"

E:"With all due respect, sir, I was fighting like a lion at the Pelennor Fields , while you were sleeping like a lamb! There!"

Tongue


(This post was edited by almas_sparks on Jun 4 2009, 12:02am)


Voorhas
Lorien


Jun 4 2009, 5:57am

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...I know more comic-book continuity than I care to admit, but never got the full story on this particular baddie.

Karamba, Karacho, ein Whisky

(This post was edited by Voorhas on Jun 4 2009, 6:01am)


FarFromHome
Valinor


Jun 4 2009, 8:35am

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Faramir and Eowyn out of blue hook-up was way too latina telenovela since these shows are famous for pulling such What-the-heck? forced happy endings for all.



Tolkien has built up a lot of links and parallels between these two - they have both been underestimated and frustrated by their father/father-figure, in quite similar ways. They have both come to the edge of death trying to protect that father-figure, and been recalled to life by Aragorn. If you only look at the surface plot, I suppose it does look like a shallow romance. But there are lot of other layers to Tolkien, which is probably why people keep reading LotR long after all those paperback romances have gone for pulping.

As for it being a "total cop out because Tolkien obviously didn't want to kill them off although he should have", that's a fair comment and could be made just as well (if not better) for Frodo and Sam. But Tolkien likes redemption, it seems.


They went in, and Sam shut the door.
But even as he did so, he heard suddenly,
deep and unstilled, the sigh and murmur of the Sea
upon the shores of Middle-earth.
From the unpublished Epilogue to the Lord of the Rings



almas_sparks
Rohan

Jun 4 2009, 12:33pm

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but I don`t find parallels with fathers,etc to be a good enough build up for a romance. Common ground doesn`t necessary spell attraction or happy life together. Besides, they wouldn`t even know each other had it not been for Wiki`s "matchmaking" of sorts. Had he not knocked them out unconscious, which put them into the same hospital, they wouldn`t have met. Again, it`s all too coincidental and convenient. No depth in this romance no matter how much shippers try to justify it. The whole reason behind this pairing was to preserve the dynasty rather than to make it plausible at all. At least Eomer`s marriage proposal to Prince Imrahil`s daughter made sense since it was a political thing, strengthening alliance between Rohan and Arnor through marriage. No fast-food love nonsense.


Annael
Immortal


Jun 4 2009, 4:02pm

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you don't believe they loved each other, and nothing anyone else says is going to convince you. Fine. But please don't denigrate those who hold opposing views in terms like "shippers." Doesn't that mean people who grasp at the tiniest bit of evidence in an attempt to create a relationship where there is none? Tolkien himself says they were in love. It's a fair criticism to say that you weren't convinced of that by how he wrote the story. But I don't think you can conclude that therefore there wasn't a love relationship, just that it wasn't convincingly written.

Yes, romance is not his forte. I know when I first read LOTR, I was completely startled when Arwen pops up at the end and marries Aragorn. I didn't even remember her and had to flip back to find where he mentioned her before. I didn't find the story in the appendices for some time. But that didn't make me doubt the author's intention.

Come to think of it, he writes the same romance each time with Beren & Luthien, Aragorn & Arwen, and Faramir & Eowyn: the man falls in love at first sight, the lady takes longer. Perhaps that's because that's how Tolkien himself experienced love with his Edith, and couldn't imagine it differently?




To light a candle is to cast a shadow.
- Ursula K. Le Guin

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GaladrielTX
Tol Eressea


Jun 4 2009, 5:26pm

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This, along with what squire writes further up in the thread, is why I consider the Éowyn/Faramir bond among the most mature and believable love stories I’ve read.

They are compatible, aren’t they? They share experiences and ways of looking at things. There's also the not inconsiderable point that Faramir is obviously attracted to Éowyn and that she suddenly sees him in a new light and appreciates him, something that happens to women sometimes. That’s why the courtship can happen in just a few weeks.

~~~~~~~~

The TORNsib formerly known as Galadriel.



FarFromHome
Valinor


Jun 4 2009, 7:06pm

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No depth in this romance no matter how much shippers try to justify it.



If you're reading this as a straightforward romance, you have good reason to find it unsatisfactory. There are hundreds of better romances in the Romance section of any decent bookstore, if that's the kind of thing you're after. I'm afraid Tolkien's interests lay elsewhere.


They went in, and Sam shut the door.
But even as he did so, he heard suddenly,
deep and unstilled, the sigh and murmur of the Sea
upon the shores of Middle-earth.
From the unpublished Epilogue to the Lord of the Rings



almas_sparks
Rohan

Jun 5 2009, 1:45am

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Goof call on Edith [In reply to] Can't Post

but he should`ve used his imagination. Tongue


Annael
Immortal


Jun 5 2009, 2:10am

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maybe he used it all up on all the other stuff? [In reply to] Can't Post

anyway, I found a little present for you:






To light a candle is to cast a shadow.
- Ursula K. Le Guin

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almas_sparks
Rohan

Jun 5 2009, 2:14am

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That scene is going to be awesome!

But here`s a present for you. Maybe not exactly what you want but it`s a nice eye candy, no? Wink

http://www.quizilla.com/...00286_uresTaylor.jpg


Annael
Immortal


Jun 10 2009, 10:26pm

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too young for me [In reply to] Can't Post

but he'd make a perfect "Ged" - if only someone would remake "A Wizard of Earthsea" in a way that follows & respects the book, instead of the complete abomination SciFi offered up a couple of years ago.


I have a thousand brilliant lies
For the question:
How are you? ...
I have a thousand brilliant lies
For the question:
What is God?
If you think that the Truth can be known
From words,
If you think that the Sun and the Ocean
Can pass through that tiny opening
Called the mouth,
O someone should start laughing!
Someone should start wildly
Laughing – Now!
- Hafiz

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