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a.s.
Valinor
May 7 2009, 9:45pm
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Review of Sigurd and Gudrún by Tom Shippey
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The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrún: Tolkien out-Wagners Wagner By Tom Shippey The Times Literary Supplement Complete review here. As for the fate of the two poems here published, Tolkien fans will need no persuasion of their merits. Scholars will read them with close attention, to see what Tolkien’s famously original mind made of the old Königsproblem. The general reader? Many will stumble over the archaisms, for the poems are seventy years old at least, and written by a man closer in time and spirit to William Morris than to modern readers. Those who persevere will learn much about Eddic poetry and the great legend of the North, and feel something of the “demonic energy” they project and the “new literary sensation” they created on rediscovery. This is the most unexpected of Tolkien’s many posthumous publications; his son’s “Commentary” is a model of informed accessibility; the poems stand comparison with their Eddic models, and there is little poetry in the world like those.
"an seileachan" "If any one had begun to rehearse a History, say not I know it well; and if he relate it not right and fully, shake not thine head, twinkle not thine eyes, and snigger not thereat; much less maist thou say, 'It is not so; you deceive yourself.'" From: Youth's Behaviour, or, Decency in Conversation amongst Men, composed in French by Grave Persons, for the use and benefit of their Youth. The tenth impression. London, 1672
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squire
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May 7 2009, 10:37pm
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Most of this goes right over my head - the fatal distinction between being a Tolkien fan, and a medievalist, coming into its own, I suppose. I did catch this little moment:
Christopher Tolkien mentions that his father was much impressed by the terse chiastic verse in the fragmentary “Old Lay”, where Gunnar says, “Mér hefir Sigurđr / selda eiđa, / eiđa selda, / allir logna”, for once closely translated by Tolkien as “Evil wrought Sigurd, / oaths he swore me, / oaths he swore me, / all belied them”. Sigurd and the narrator meanwhile both declare, with slight variation, “Oaths swore Sigurd, / all fulfilled them”.
Clearly J. R. R. Tolkien is quoting himself (in translation) when he composed a fragment of the alliterative lay about the Ride of the Rohirrim, some 15 years later: Forth rode the king, fear behind him, fate before him. Fealty kept he; oaths he had taken, all fulfilled them.
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N.E. Brigand
Half-elven
May 8 2009, 1:04am
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In "The Notion Club Papers", Tolkien used a very similar phrase to describe the power of old stories.
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visualweasel
Rohan
May 8 2009, 9:33pm
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My favorite quote from the review
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Which I give, all in good fun, somewhat in answer to: Most of this goes right over my head - the fatal distinction between being a Tolkien fan, and a medievalist, coming into its own, I suppose. Tom writes: "But if you need everything spelt out, Eddic poetry is not for you, and nor is Icelandic saga: read Trollope instead." Good advice.
Jason Fisher Lingwë - Musings of a Fish The Lord of the Rings discussion 2007-2008 – The Two Towers – III.4 “Treebeard” – Part 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 “On Fairy-stories” discussion 2008 – “Origins” – Part 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
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sador
Half-elven
May 11 2009, 8:26am
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"Peter Jackson has a lot to answer for"
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My, that is harsh!
"It was a good story, that of yours, but I like it still better now I am sure it is true." - Beorn
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