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"Lost" (spoilers) OH MY!!!


Apr 30 2009, 5:42pm

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Ohhh, poor Daniel! His mother is worse than Angela Petrelli on "Heroes"! She just raised him for the slaughter, to come up with one big discovery and die transmitting it--even knowing that his death would come accidentally from her own hands! Manipulative she-warg! And why on earth couldn't he enjoy his piano-playing as well as study physics? Music is an art that stimulates the scientific mind even as it soothes the weary scholar.

Granted, there might be mitigating circumstances, but they have got to be extreme. She seemed to indicate that in her conversation with Widmore. (Which begs the question: how can she simultaneously work with Charles Widmore and Benjamin Linus?) Do they even have the same agenda? Whatever the case, she was right to slap his face if he equates estrangement from his daughter with execution of their son.

Now, let me get this straight. Her name is Eloise Hawking, her son's name is Daniel Faraday, and his father is Charles Widmore. She must have led a complicated life. I see several possibilities:
  1. She married Widmore, divorced him while pregnant, married Faraday, divorced again, married someone named Hawking, who for some reason is also out of the picture (maybe.)
  2. Her maiden name is Faraday, Widmore dallied with her without owning Daniel, she then married Hawking (and where is he now?)
  3. Her maiden name is Hawking and she held onto it her whole life. She dallied with Widmore but married Faraday, who adopted her son. Again, where is he now?
  4. She has led a sufficiently checkered life to require periodic changes of alias, and has married no one. "Hawking" would appeal to a physicist.
  5. Her maiden name is Hawking and she never married. Her son legally changed his own name, for reasons as yet unknown. "Faraday" would appeal to a physicist.

As for changing the future, I can see a whole lot of complications with that.

Those who would be in favor of sending the plane straight to LA like it intended:
  1. Jack. He thinks that he wouldn't have descended into drunken misery "If only..." He has not faced up to the fact that he is genetically and by upbringing predisposed to substance abuse, nor that he creates his own relationship problems even without drinking or drugging, and he needs a far more profound, internal solution. But no, he wants to "fix" things, and fancies that preventing that crash will do the trick.
  2. Sayyid. He would gladly erase the years that erased his hope of ever being anything except a killer and a torturer, and take his chances with another timeline. Hopefully one where he and Nadia are so unimportant that they can find each other and live happily ever after.
  3. Sun and Jin. They want to get back together. They can't do that while in separate times. Of course, they're gambling that somehow they will gain in LA all of the insights that life on the island forced them to develop, before they split up in America, and somehow wriggle out from under Sun's father's thumb, but at least they'd have a chance.
  4. Desmond. If the "incident" never happens, he doesn't have to spend years pushing a button when he could be impressing Penny with his race around the world.
  5. Penny. More time with Desmond.
  6. Aaron. He gets a happy childhood with a single adoptive family, known to him from birth, instead of being bounced around between three mother figures at an early and vulnerable age.

Those most logically opposed:
  1. Kate. She was on her way to her execution when the plane crashed. The only way her trial came out favorably in the current timeline was because she returned as a glamorous and valiant survivor. Why on earth would she want to rewrite that whole scenario?
  2. Sawyer. His life stank, and would continue to stink if the plane reaches LA. In the plane-crash timeline, he achieves his vengeance and then goes on to lead a decent life capable of relationships. Without his island experiences, he might never get a chance to straighten out his life.
  3. Locke. He might be in a different time-zone, but he still factors into the game in his own tricksy way. Given the choice between being a sneered-at cripple in a dreary box company office, or being the hale and revered leader of a cult that will obey his every whim, which do you think he'd choose?

  1. Hurley. He does what the ghosts tell him to do. What do they want? His happiest scenario would have been to stay on as the Dharma Initiative's jolly chef, at least until Benjamin grows up and gasses everybody, but that's no longer possible. If the plane lands in LA, he goes back to leading a rich but cursed life. If the plane crashes, he continues as a castaway. Not the best choices, dude!
  2. Miles. He just goes with the flow. On the other hand, if the plane lands in LA, he never finds his father; I'm not sure if that's reason enough for him to balk at changing time.
  3. Juliette. Keeping the timeline means losing all chance of reuniting with her sister, but changing the timeline means losing all chance of meeting and building a life with Sawyer.
  4. Walt. The plane reaching LA would give him a chance at a normal relationship with his father, but he might never get a chance at exploring his own strange talents. Which matters more to him?

Am I forgetting anyone?

Eloise can't have sacrificed her son just to change the timelines for a few people who might or might not benefit. Nor, apparently, would she care two hoots whether Widmore gets what he wants. Something greater has to be at stake, here. What does she want?

Charles Widmore apparently wants to get back to the Island at any cost, even though he is fabulously wealthy in the regular world. What is there for him that he cannot buy anywhere else in the world? How will changing the future help him? And why does he believe that if the Oceanic 6 don't get back to the Island "The wrong side will win"?

Benjamin Linus wants whatever the smoke monster wants, especially when it shows up as his late daughter. What does it want? How can Benjamin returning to the Island fit into Eloise's plans even when it doesn't fit in with Widmore's plans?

Apparently Richard Alpert and the Others are on the same page on that. Will Benjamin meekly follow the example of Richard Alpert and follow whatever leader the smoke monster appoints over him? Or will he rebel and risk the wrath of his deity?

Who were the Dharma Initiative? Are any of them still around? Do they have a role yet to play?

Walt is too interesting to simply step in and out of the picture. What role does he have yet to play?

Caesar obviously knew something before he died. Whose side was he on?

Life is beautiful and dangerous! Beware! Enjoy!

Subject User Time
"Lost" (spoilers) OH MY!!! Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Apr 30 2009, 5:42pm
    Awesome breakdown Dreamdeer Zmulady Send a private message to Zmulady Apr 30 2009, 6:43pm
        hTank you! Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Apr 30 2009, 7:01pm
    Dan! Dan! He's the man! batik Send a private message to batik May 1 2009, 3:40am
        I thought the same thing! Aerin Send a private message to Aerin May 1 2009, 4:11am
        I hope I'm wrong, but (spoilers) a.s. Send a private message to a.s. May 1 2009, 10:13am
            That worries me, too Auxerre Send a private message to Auxerre May 1 2009, 12:31pm
                I was expecting something to happen too Ginger Send a private message to Ginger May 1 2009, 6:25pm
            Yes indeed! Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer May 1 2009, 6:53pm
        What's in it for Dan? Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer May 1 2009, 7:02pm
    clear as mud to me! batik Send a private message to batik May 1 2009, 5:58am
    Please kill Kate! almas_sparks Send a private message to almas_sparks May 1 2009, 3:42pm
        I like Kate Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer May 1 2009, 6:49pm
            I like her too. Aerin Send a private message to Aerin May 2 2009, 4:25am
                Hurley as a con man? Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer May 2 2009, 5:43am
    Let Me Offer Another View of Eloise... JRandomRohirrim Send a private message to JRandomRohirrim May 4 2009, 12:13pm
        Valid point Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer May 4 2009, 3:14pm
        This is what I was thinking as well (spoilers) FantasyFan Send a private message to FantasyFan May 4 2009, 4:25pm


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