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linkin-artelf
Lorien


Apr 18 2007, 6:49pm

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The sad thing about this situation [In reply to] Can't Post

is that the fellow didn't have to look far to find the way to murder.It was handed over to him without question over a counter, probably at a two for one discount. And it seems that this was a fellow for whom all the warning signs were blinking furiously. Stricter gun laws, say requiring a mental health check, may have disqualified him from pruchasing a gun.
That's the gist of what we are mostly debating, the relative ease of pruchasing handguns and the consequences of that.
It is a horrible tragedy, but inconceivable and senseless I would dispute. Stuff like this happens all too frequently and it makes pefect sense to the mind of the murderers. From the information in the papers about the killer it is only too obvious that this was not a normal guy who inexplicably went off the deep end. His mental disturbance was noticed and a big concern to those around him. Unfortunately they couldn't prevent him from going out and buying two handguns.
Can you say some more about how that book suggests taking back power over our lives after violent crime? I don't think noticing the sun coming up is enough. I think trying to understand and address the causes of violence is important in dealing with it. And building strong sense of community with others is essential to our mental health and peaceful coexistence.

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Lossefalme
Gondor


Apr 18 2007, 7:53pm

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I agree that it is too easy to get handguns. My point was that he sounds disturbed enough that he would have found a way to wreak this havoc no matter what. Yes, it could have and should have been made harder, but I think he would have found a way anyway.

I also understand that there were warning signs all over the place, but hindsight is 20/20. I am trying not to judge because I wasn't in their shoes. My hope is that the people involved did the best they could with the information they had. I have to believe that.

Lastly, the book is called September 12th, We Knew Everything Would be All Right. It is a book written and illustrated by a class of first-graders in Kennett, Missouri in response to 9/11. It is a children's book that I bought because I have three children of my own, (well, two at that time!). It begins, "On September 11, 2001, many bad things happened." It goes on to say, "September 12th was a new day. We knew everything would be all right. Because...the sun came up and the birds started to sing again. We came to school the same way. We knew everything would be all right when we saw our teacher smiling at the door. We said the pledge like always. We sang the National Antehm very loudly." Other quotes: "On September 12th, our parents still tucked us in our warm, safe beds... Our parents talked to us about the bad things that had happened the day before... We knew everything would be all right because the stars and moon came out and America went to sleep. And the next morening the sun came up again..."

I am not someone who actually knows anyone involved with the tragedy at Virginia Tech. I don't pretend to know how they feel or what they are going through. I am dealing with this as a person on the outside. I do know that I have a job to do as a parent to help myself and my children understand that tragedy isn't a way of life; it is a part of life that we have to work through. I will tuck them in tonight with hugs and kisses and the sun will come up again tomorrow. Sometimes the sun coming up is enough. Maybe it's just the perspective of a parent with young children, but that's how I feel. Otherwise I don't know how we would get through the day with all of the horrible things that are happening in the world.

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Aragorn threw back his cloak. The elven-sheath glittered as he grasped it, and the bright blade of Andúril shone like a sudden flame as he swept it out. 'Elendil!' he cried. 'I am Aragorn son of Arathorn, and am called Elessar, the Elfstone, Dúnadan, the heir of Isildur Elendil's son of Gondor. Here is the Sword that was Broken and is forged again! Will you aid me or thwart me? Choose swiftly!' TTT, Book III, Chapter 2
And Éomer answered: 'Since the day when you rose before me out of the green grass of the downs I have loved you, and that love shall not fail.' RotK, Book VI, Chapter 5




Aunt Dora Baggins
Immortal


Apr 18 2007, 8:07pm

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My point, and maybe partly yours too, is that we get so panicked by horrible stuff like this that we can ruin our lives worrying about threats that are statistically unlikely. I read an article in Psychology Today many years ago about a study that was done on how people perceive danger compared to how big the danger really is. It struck me that the same mom who might go running after a schoolbus to get her son's lunch back because the apple might have Alar on it (remember that?) might also not bother to fasten her seatbelt.

The morning after Columbine, which happened not too far from where I live, I had to send my two kids off to high school. It was one of the hardest things I've ever done. But I reminded myself that the biggest danger they were in was during the drive there, and I'd trained myself not to freak out over that. Like I said, you fasten your seatbelt and drive carefully, and head out to school. What else can you do, except cower at home?

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Lossefalme
Gondor


Apr 18 2007, 8:23pm

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I was thinking about that as I watched the news today and [In reply to] Can't Post

it was the third or fourth story. There is no easy answer. I guess it just feels more "real" to people when it happens closer to home.

Kinda OT, but I was also thinking about Iraq and Afghanistan when Imus was the top news story all over the U.S. last week. Yes, it was news and hopefully started some productive discussion, but the top story? We seem to have difficulty keeping our eye on the ball sometimes, imho.

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Aragorn threw back his cloak. The elven-sheath glittered as he grasped it, and the bright blade of Andúril shone like a sudden flame as he swept it out. 'Elendil!' he cried. 'I am Aragorn son of Arathorn, and am called Elessar, the Elfstone, Dúnadan, the heir of Isildur Elendil's son of Gondor. Here is the Sword that was Broken and is forged again! Will you aid me or thwart me? Choose swiftly!' TTT, Book III, Chapter 2
And Éomer answered: 'Since the day when you rose before me out of the green grass of the downs I have loved you, and that love shall not fail.' RotK, Book VI, Chapter 5




linkin-artelf
Lorien


Apr 18 2007, 8:32pm

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I am like you, on the outside looking in [In reply to] Can't Post

Thank goodness!
I wasn't judging the responses of those around him, just commenting on how they were probably hamstrung in their ability to prevent that specific violence by the gun laws present there.
I agree that's it's important to reassure our kids and ourselves that violence doesn't rule our world, mostly, but I don't see reassurance as enough of a response, especially when the violence strikes close to home.
I also agree that if we dwell on all the possible dangers out there we become incapable of living our lives. Sometimes blinkers help, as long as they're not fixed on.

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Lossefalme
Gondor


Apr 18 2007, 8:32pm

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That's where I'm coming from. [In reply to] Can't Post

I often tell my mom that I could easily become agoraphobic if I allowed myself to give in to all of the horrible things that can and do happen in the world. I can get everything I "need" on the Internet and never leave my house! I'm a certified teacher, for that matter, and my kids wouldn't have to leave, either!

That, however, is not the way I want to live my life or have my children live theirs. I want to live life smart, not scared. I feel that I owe it to my kids to be real, but not to terrify them. My mother, (a very wise woman), always said that as a parent she wanted to give us roots and wings. I think the roots are the easy part; the wings are much more difficult.

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Aragorn threw back his cloak. The elven-sheath glittered as he grasped it, and the bright blade of Andúril shone like a sudden flame as he swept it out. 'Elendil!' he cried. 'I am Aragorn son of Arathorn, and am called Elessar, the Elfstone, Dúnadan, the heir of Isildur Elendil's son of Gondor. Here is the Sword that was Broken and is forged again! Will you aid me or thwart me? Choose swiftly!' TTT, Book III, Chapter 2
And Éomer answered: 'Since the day when you rose before me out of the green grass of the downs I have loved you, and that love shall not fail.' RotK, Book VI, Chapter 5




Lossefalme
Gondor


Apr 18 2007, 8:47pm

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That's part of the reason I qualified my response. [In reply to] Can't Post

If we were somehow directly involved, I would handle it differently, probably including professional counseling for my kids. As it stands, my goal now is to reassure them, (well, just my oldest, really), that they are safe.

I think somewhere in this post AE and/or Darkstone made the point that the quickest way to lose a right is to abuse it. AE also wrote that it's too bad we didn't have a Bill of Responsibility to go along with our Bill of Rights, and I think that sentiment is well put. I would definitely support tougher gun laws, but not necessarily eliminating the right to own a gun. Please understand that this is coming from someone who abhors guns and won't let my children play at someone's house if they own one. It's just that for me, particularly after the Patriot Act, I'm leary of making too many changes to our Constitutional rights. We have already given up more than most people are aware of.

I don't have an answer. I do have prayer, though, and my thoughts and prayers are with all people dealing with loss in their lives, regardless of the cause.

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Aragorn threw back his cloak. The elven-sheath glittered as he grasped it, and the bright blade of Andúril shone like a sudden flame as he swept it out. 'Elendil!' he cried. 'I am Aragorn son of Arathorn, and am called Elessar, the Elfstone, Dúnadan, the heir of Isildur Elendil's son of Gondor. Here is the Sword that was Broken and is forged again! Will you aid me or thwart me? Choose swiftly!' TTT, Book III, Chapter 2
And Éomer answered: 'Since the day when you rose before me out of the green grass of the downs I have loved you, and that love shall not fail.' RotK, Book VI, Chapter 5




Aunt Dora Baggins
Immortal


Apr 18 2007, 8:52pm

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The Prince of Pompadoodle [In reply to] Can't Post

The immortal Walt Kelly said it best:

THE PRINCE OF POMPADOODLE

The Prince of Pompadoodle
Lived behind a castle wall,
Behind a moat, behind a guard
Of twenty soldiers tall.

The Prince of Pompadoodle
Was the safest man alive.
Each day he wrote how long he'd lived
And multiplied by five.

The Prince of Pompadoodle
Would survive, he did decide,
Five times as long as he had been
Alive before he died.

The Prince of Pompadoodle
Called in the castle sage
For his advice in this pursuit
Of long and fulsome age.

The Prince of Pompadoodle
Heard in horror from this friend
That somewhere in the palace
Was a cur who'd seek his end!

The Prince of Pompadoodle
Scarce could credit a belief
His years might soon be sneaked away
By some ungrateful thief.

The Prince of Pompadoodle
Sent his every friend away
And sat alone, safe, locked alive,
To count another day.

The Prince of Pompadoodle
May hoard each empty hour,
But none can know; no word comes from
The silent stony tower.

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linkin-artelf
Lorien


Apr 18 2007, 8:54pm

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Yes and no [In reply to] Can't Post

Honestly I think it's in how close to home the violence strikes. The closer the more frightening it is. Many, many people die everyday from one thing or another; it's not the numbers that matter so much as the way they die and how directly you and your country are involved.
The tragedy of the war in Iraq is so immense and so politically fused that I wouldn't even want to begin a discussion on it here. But the tragedy in Virginia I can discuss because it affects me a little more personally: a Canadian was killed, my kids are either in university or will be soon and I have worked with the mentally ill and know a little of the alienationa and mental pain they live with.

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linkin-artelf
Lorien


Apr 18 2007, 8:59pm

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I like that expression - roots and wings [In reply to] Can't Post

yes, a very wise mother indeed.

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Darkstone
Immortal


Apr 18 2007, 9:05pm

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One way to get guns out of the hands of teenagers.... [In reply to] Can't Post

....is to bring them home from Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia, etc.

I met a Balrog on the stair
He had some wings that weren't there.
They weren't there again today.
I wish he would just fly away.


Lossefalme
Gondor


Apr 18 2007, 9:18pm

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Perfect! [In reply to] Can't Post

That was new to me. Thank you!

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Aragorn threw back his cloak. The elven-sheath glittered as he grasped it, and the bright blade of Andúril shone like a sudden flame as he swept it out. 'Elendil!' he cried. 'I am Aragorn son of Arathorn, and am called Elessar, the Elfstone, Dúnadan, the heir of Isildur Elendil's son of Gondor. Here is the Sword that was Broken and is forged again! Will you aid me or thwart me? Choose swiftly!' TTT, Book III, Chapter 2
And Éomer answered: 'Since the day when you rose before me out of the green grass of the downs I have loved you, and that love shall not fail.' RotK, Book VI, Chapter 5




Lossefalme
Gondor


Apr 18 2007, 9:20pm

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Totally OT, [In reply to] Can't Post

but did you draw your avatar? I think you had a different one before, but it was similar. I like the style...

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Aragorn threw back his cloak. The elven-sheath glittered as he grasped it, and the bright blade of Andúril shone like a sudden flame as he swept it out. 'Elendil!' he cried. 'I am Aragorn son of Arathorn, and am called Elessar, the Elfstone, Dúnadan, the heir of Isildur Elendil's son of Gondor. Here is the Sword that was Broken and is forged again! Will you aid me or thwart me? Choose swiftly!' TTT, Book III, Chapter 2
And Éomer answered: 'Since the day when you rose before me out of the green grass of the downs I have loved you, and that love shall not fail.' RotK, Book VI, Chapter 5




linkin-artelf
Lorien


Apr 18 2007, 9:57pm

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No, can't claim it as mine [In reply to] Can't Post

It's from a Japanese program that I used a long time ago, one of those you just choose all the features to make a composite that best fits you. Don't have the link or name anymore unfortunately.It was something like tinypic.com.
and yes, this is the same avatar I've always used. Probably could use a freshening up, my hair's much longer now.
I've thought about doing a self-portrait in a woodblock or linocut to use on the web but haven't gotten around to it yet.

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Shadowfaxfan
Rivendell


Apr 19 2007, 5:15am

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I am glad the people you [In reply to] Can't Post

were concerned about are okay.


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it has forsaken these lands. Eomer to Aragorn~TT~Film

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DownfallenWest
The Shire


Apr 19 2007, 3:44pm

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Not so sure. [In reply to] Can't Post

About that, that is. I live in a country where speech is indeed somewhat regulated by the state. Off the top of my head, I can cite only a couple of examples: It's illegal to flip someone the bird whilst driving. It's illegal to display (or even possess at home?) Nazi propaganda, give the Hitler salute, say "heil Hitler", or do any number of things associated with Naziism. I think it's also illegal to "ridicule a religion or religious belief", to some extent or another, but I'm not totally sure about this.

Pornography OTOH, FWICT, is perhaps just as un-restricted here as in the US. Certainly nudity and sex are more prevalant on TV and "in the media" here than in the US. Don't know how the rate of sexual crimes (rape, child pr0n, etc.) compare between the two countries, but I'd be mighty surprised if it's higher here. I don't consider pr0nography to be any more an abuse of "free speech" than a book about people killing each other is.

Do I have a point? I thought I did when I began to post, but......eh, I'm about as pro-free-speech as one could be. I find it ironic that I now live--gladly--in a place where my speech is relatively more restricted than where I grew up, but that it doesn't bother me--that I don't feel torn about it.

What would Samwise do?


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Apr 19 2007, 4:16pm

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oh.... lovely [In reply to] Can't Post

you are missed.


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elvenhobbit
Rohan

Apr 19 2007, 8:09pm

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I've seen the news and... [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm disgusted at this - what I can only describle as sickening act of horrific consequence...and my heart and thoughts are with the families of those killed.

-e_H-

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'Road lead ever on and on
down from the door where it began
now far ahead the road has gone
down from where all began' -FOTR-

and through all the world has changed
the ages come and go with time
and yet those remain unchanged
unto they journey westward
over the sea...


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Apr 20 2007, 10:52am

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My only response: Prayers and heart-felt sympathy to Virginia Tech Students, Families, and Staff and [In reply to] Can't Post

a prayer for peace in Iraq and for all the pains suffered throughout the world. That's all.


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Altaira
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Apr 20 2007, 3:23pm

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Hear, hear, gramma [In reply to] Can't Post

And, very well said, indeed. Smile


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Rivendweller
Lorien


Apr 20 2007, 3:51pm

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The film " Bobby" captures so much of todays grief, then and now... [In reply to] Can't Post

I watched " Bobby " last night with my daughter. We were both crying at the end.She, because of the state of the world today and these horrific events, me - because we did not listen then and we still are not listening now.

I quote for those who may be interested, portions of Robert F. Kennedy's speeches that remain true today..they bear repeating I feel.

"But we have to make an effort in the United States, we have to make an effort to understand, to get beyond, or go beyond these rather difficult times.

My favorite poem, my favorite poet was Aeschylus. And he once wrote:

"Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget
falls drop by drop upon the heart,
until, in our own despair,
against our will,comes wisdom
through the awful grace of God."

What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence and lawlessness, but is love and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country,..."



This portion from a history blog:

"Kennedy was in the middle of his final, ill-fated campaign and prepared to go into the most dangerous part of Indianapolis. Just before heading to the event, his press secretary got the word that King had been shot dead by a white man.

Immediately, staff members scrambled to cancel the event. Ghettos were sure to explode in violence across Indianapolis and America. But when Kennedy chose to ignore the warnings, the Indianapolis Chief of Police weighed in.

His men could not provide protection. It was simply too dangerous.

So Bobby Kennedy went in alone that night to deliver the greatest speech of his life.

He told that broken crowd of Americans how it was not the time to embrace violence but rather to live the very values for which Martin Luther King had died.

Later that evening, riots did break out in over a thousand cities and towns across America. Parts of New York, Los Angeles and Chicago burned long into the early morning. Countless other cities and towns were engulfed in violence and rage. But that night, Indianapolis went to sleep in peace.

It was the story of how one man made a difference.

It is a reminder of how one person can still
bend history.

It is a challenge sent through the ages of how we can still save a dying world."



And finally...his words regarding Viet Nam ring as true as ever concerning Irag:

"I do not want--as I believe most Americans do not want--to sell out American interests, to simply withdraw, to raise the white flag of surrender. That would be unacceptable to us as a country and as a people. But I am concerned--as I believe most Americans are concerned--that the course we are following at the present time is deeply wrong. I am concerned--as I believe most Americans are concerned--that we are acting as if no other nations existed, against the judgment and desires of neutrals and our historic allies alike. I am concerned--as I believe most Americans are concerned--that our present course will not bring victory; will not bring peace; will not stop the bloodshed; and will not advance the interests of the United States or the cause of peace in the world. I am concerned that, at the end of it all, there will only be more Americans killed; more of our treasure spilled out; and because of the bitterness and hatred on every side of this war, more hundreds of thousands of [civilians] slaughtered; so they may say, as Tacitus said of Rome: "They made a desert, and called it peace." . . .






Whether because Frodo was so worn by his long pains, wound of knife, and venomous sting, and sorrow, fear, and homeless wandering, or because some gift of final strength was given to him, Sam lifted Frodo with no more difficulty than if he were carrying a hobbit child pig-a-back....
Frodo opened his eyes and drew a breath....'Thank you, Sam,' he said in a cracked whisper. 'How far is there to go?' --RotK, "Mount Doom"
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linkin-artelf
Lorien


Apr 20 2007, 9:47pm

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Mods way up. [In reply to] Can't Post

As they said in the special features, Robert kennedy's assassination was like pulling the rug out from under a generation. Sadly, the world is still standing on cold cement.

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mae govannen
Tol Eressea

Apr 21 2007, 11:34am

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This, this is what is needed [In reply to] Can't Post

 for healing our poor world.
That kind of courage to speak up and tell the deeper truth of things.
I haven't seen 'Bobby' yet, and I wonder if any of it will be seen in the theatres outhere in India, but at least thanks to you, dear Rivendweller, I have been given a taste of what is in it, what has been in the life of Bobby Kennedy - whom I confess I have never known much about, as a young French person not very aware yet at the time of all the terrible things going on in the world, nor of the heroes that were there among us human beings, putting their life on the line to bring some more wisdom and peace into our lives.
Thank you deeply for sharing these beautiful words of truth.

'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Apr 21 2007, 11:45am

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*tearing* This is wonderful... thank you // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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Lossefalme
Gondor


Apr 21 2007, 1:25pm

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Wow. Thank you so much. His words are as true today as they were then. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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