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Earl
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Apr 25 2009, 3:28pm

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THERE... BACK AGAIN

"THE HOBBIT is, in essence, an overture to a massive Symphonic work so main themes are reprised but new modulations and new colors are introduced, thematically and texturally." - Guillermo del Toro, 25th May 2008, An Unexpected Party.

"I love Guillermo's symphonic allusion. The "overture" can have a different flavour, a different texture, yet be a carefully crafted introduction to what's to follow." - Peter Jackson, 25th May 2008, An Unexpected Party.

With the assurances of Guillermo del Toro and Peter Jackson that The Hobbit will be a true cinematic prelude to The Lord of the Rings in such matters as already introduced to us by the Trilogy, we can't help but let our geek flags fly high and delve once again into the marvellous depths of these movies, in an effort to bring to light those little gems of intricacies and details that will, in due time, restore The Lord of the Rings to that position in the literary history of Middle-earth that Tolkien himself intended, as a sequel to The Hobbit.

We know now that The Hobbit will span both films and so we know without a doubt that their timeline will be (perhaps for the most part) approximately 60 years before Bilbo's 111st Birthday Party. I wouldn't put it past our lovable geeks at WETA to go the distance and add the subtlest of details to make these films a true prelude to the existing trilogy, for they have, after all, proven their love and dedication and put in loads of details into every little thing that their magical hands touched during the production of the Lord of the Rings.

So while we're sure they're already working magic once again, we can't help but restrain our enthusiasm and put together a list of things established in the Trilogy that are surely needed to make The Hobbit feel like a prelude. Here, therefore, is a list of such geeky delights that we've (gramma and I) put together for a start, a new Geeky List - The Gotta-Have List - that gramma will be hosting on her site alongside the Geeky Observation Lists for the Trilogy.

We can't wait for you all to join in the celebration and give us your thoughts and opinions and additions and deletions and modifications and extensions to this list.

This post will be followed by 16 geeky observations, each with "conversation points" and "questions" where we'd like to know what you think. But please do feel free to comment on absolutely anything that catches your fancy or add things of your own that we've missed out (for Middle-earth is, after all, full of strange things beyond count).

It's time to go there, back again...




Crows and Gibbets! What is the House of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and their brats roll around on the floor with the dogs? You are but a lesser son of greater sires!


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Apr 25 2009, 3:33pm

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THE GATE OF BAG END

The Lord of the Rings


"Before long the invitations began pouring out, and the Hobbiton post-office was blocked, and the Bywater post-office was snowed under, and voluntary assistant postmen were called for. There was a constant stream of them going up the Hill, carrying hundreds of polite variations on "Thank you, I shall certainly come." A notice appeared on the gate at Bag End: NO ADMITTANCE EXCEPT ON PARTY BUSINESS." - The Fellowship of the Ring - Book I - Chapter 1 - A Long-expected Party.



The Hobbit

While we love the quaint lil' sign with its memorable quotation, it shouldn't be on the Gate of Bag End in The Hobbit movie, right?




Crows and Gibbets! What is the House of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and their brats roll around on the floor with the dogs? You are but a lesser son of greater sires!

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GANDALF THE GREY'S STAFF

The Lord of the Rings

In The Lord of the Rings, Gandalf the Grey had two staves. The first staff has a nice little wedge in which he fits in his smoking pipe, and he carries this staff with him until his imprisonment in Orthanc, where it is left behind when he escapes upon Gwaihir. His second staff he uses from Rivendell until his fight with the Balrog in Moria, and as opposed to the first staff, this one has a little nook at the top where he fits in a piece of the glowing material/stone/thing to light their way in Moria.

Gandalf's first staff:


Gandalf's second staff:


The Hobbit

Needless to say, in The Hobbit, Gandalf the Grey should be carrying his first staff. Or do you suppose he'll have a differently designed staff altogether for the "different purpose" he serves in The Hobbit?




Crows and Gibbets! What is the House of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and their brats roll around on the floor with the dogs? You are but a lesser son of greater sires!


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Apr 25 2009, 3:47pm

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GANDALF'S SWORD - GLAMDRING

The Lord of the Rings


"Elrond knew about runes of runes of every kind. That day he looked at the swords they had brought from the trolls' lair, and he said... "This, Gandalf, was Glamdring, Foe-hammer that the king of Gondolin once wore." - The Hobbit - Chapter 3 - A Short Rest.

Glamdring:
(Sorry if the inscription isn't clear enough in this picture)

Gandalf's trusty old sword in the Trilogy bears the inscription "Turgon King [of] Gondolin wields, has and holds [the] sword Glamdring, Foe [of] Morgoth's realm, hammer to [the] Din-horde". It is a magnificent piece of craftsmanship, and Gandalf carries it with him everywhere he goes. He weilds it even after he's "sent back" to Middle-earth as Gandalf the White. (Ref. Gwaith-i-Phethdain: Glamdring Inscription)

The Hobbit

"There were lots of clothes too... and among them were several swords of various makes, shapes, and sizes. Two caught their eyes, particularly because of their beautiful scabbards and jewelled hilts. Gandalf and Thorin each took one of these." - The Hobbit - Chapter 2 - Roast Mutton.

As you can tell, Gandalf shouldn't be carrying Glamdring until he finds it in the troll's cave. However, should he be carrying a sword before this at all?

The Issue of Glamdring's "Glow"

In The Hobbit, we are told that Glamdring "burned with a rage that made it gleam if goblins were about." Unlike Sting, we never see Glamdring glow in the Trilogy. For the sake of continuity, it would be best not to have Glamdring glow in the new films, and staying "true to the book" would probably raise more questions and complicate matters. What's your say?





Crows and Gibbets! What is the House of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and their brats roll around on the floor with the dogs? You are but a lesser son of greater sires!
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Apr 25 2009, 3:53pm

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THE MAP OF THE LONELY MOUNTAIN

The Lord of the Rings

When Gandalf wanders around Bilbo's study in FOTR, he comes upon a well-framed map of the Lonely Mountain lying on the old hobbit's desk. The design is based on Tolkien's map in the book (except that in the book you can see the lettering that the moon runes spell out whereas in the movie you don't see them - only the right moon and the right season would reveal that secret).





The Hobbit


In The Hobbit, Gandalf brings out this map, Thorin's Map, during the "Unexpected Party" in Bag End (along with the key that went with it). Is the map we see in the Fellowship of the Ring actually Thorin's map? Could we expect to see it folded along the creases when Gandalf bring it forth and hands it over to Thorin?

Besides...


There's a strange bit of music that plays over the scene in the Fellowship of the Ring when Gandalf looks at the map of the Lonely Mountain. There've been a couple of discussions here on TORn about this music... the link to the last one is here.

Back when I began working on my site, I wanted to "name" this "theme", and since it had no official name, I called it "The Lonely Mountain Theme". The term has since caught on (though rather unofficially) here on TORn, and Doug has hinted that the possibility this "theme" could appear in The Hobbit might not be completely ruled out. So there.

Do you expect it to show up in the Hobbit so that this passing phrase in the Fellowship of the Ring will come across as an allusion to that bigger musical theme in The Hobbit, which is the prelude to the Lord of the Rings.




Crows and Gibbets! What is the House of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and their brats roll around on the floor with the dogs? You are but a lesser son of greater sires!
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Apr 25 2009, 3:56pm

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THE KEY TO THE SECRET DOOR & THORIN'S SWORD - ORCRIST

The Lord of the Rings


In the Fellowship of the Ring, we get a glimpse of Bilbo's book, wherein he's sketched pictures of the key to the Dwarves' secret door, as well as sketches of Thorin's sword Orcrist and Gandalf's sword Glamdring.



The Hobbit


Should the key perhaps resemble what Bilbo's drawn in his book? How about Orcrist (the sword on the left)?

However, if you look at Bilbo's sketch of Glamdring, you'll notice that it does not look much like the actual sword - was Bilbo just being his whimsical old self? Or was he already getting forgetful and drawing his own quirky designs?




Crows and Gibbets! What is the House of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and their brats roll around on the floor with the dogs? You are but a lesser son of greater sires!
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GLOIN

The Lord of the Rings


We see a number of Dwarves arriving at the Council of Elrond, among them is a dwarf that the Decipher Trading Card game names as "Gloin". However, this dwarf has no speaking role, nor is he present at the Council beside Gimli in the Fellowship of the Ring.

Gloin (from Decipher Trading Card Game)


Gloin (arriving at Rivendell in the Fellowship of the Ring... sorry for the blurry image)


The Hobbit


Could we expect to see the same actor as Gloin in The Hobbit or was it just Decipher that named this "stand in" Gloin? Is it reasonable (and perhaps quite obvious) to conclude that another actor altogether will be cast in the role of Gloin?

P.S.: I could not seem to find the colour of Gloin's beard mentioned in The Hobbit... did I miss something? I'm rather hasty.




Crows and Gibbets! What is the House of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and their brats roll around on the floor with the dogs? You are but a lesser son of greater sires!
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WEAHERTOP

The Lord of the Rings


In the book, we are provided with a description of Weathertop along with it's history, and the hobbits spend a (rather eventful) night amid the ruins of Amon Sul with Aragorn. We see this ruined tower in the Fellowship of the Ring.



The Hobbit


In the book we are told that "At first they had passed through hobbit-lands... then they came to lands where people spoke strangely... now they had gone on far into the Lone Lands where there were no people left... not far ahead were dreary hills, rising higher and higher, dark with trees. On some of them were old castles with an evil look as if they had been built by evil men."

Do you suppose one of these "old castles" could in fact be Amon Sul, that 60 years before Frodo's journey, was less ruinous and surrounded by dark trees?





Crows and Gibbets! What is the House of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and their brats roll around on the floor with the dogs? You are but a lesser son of greater sires!
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THE THREE TROLLS

The Lord of the Rings


We see the Three Stone Trolls in the Fellowship of the Ring when Aragorn leads the hobbits through the Trollshaws.



The Hobbit


Do you look forward to seeing the sun's first light peep through the trees and turning Tom, Bert, and Will to stone in these exact same postures?

POP QUIZ: Which of these fellows is Tom? Who's Bert? And who's Will? Evil




Crows and Gibbets! What is the House of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and their brats roll around on the floor with the dogs? You are but a lesser son of greater sires!
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BILBO'S SWORD - STING

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"... and among them were several swords of various makes, shapes, and sizes... Bilbo took a knife in a leather sheath. It would have made only a tiny pocket-knife for a troll, but it was as good as a short sword for the hobbit." - The Hobbit - Chapter 2 - Roast Mutton.

""I will give you a name," he said to it, "and I shall call you Sting.""
- The Hobbit - Chapter 8 - Flies and Spiders.

Bilbo's old sword Sting in The Lord of the Rings bears the inscription "[the] sharp-point I am called - [the] slayer of spiders I [am]" or less literally and morep poetically, "Sting is my name, I am the spiders bane". (Ref. Gwaith-i-Phethdain: Sting Inscription).



While Tolkien never mentions whether Bilbo's short sword had any inscriptions on it, it is evident that the lines above were inscribed on it after Bilbo's journey, possibly by the Elven smiths of Rivendell.

The Hobbit

Without a doubt, the sword in The Hobbit should not have this honourable inscription upon it... though we'll be expecting to see it glow blue, and perhaps geeking out when Bilbo gives it its name "Sting".




Crows and Gibbets! What is the House of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and their brats roll around on the floor with the dogs? You are but a lesser son of greater sires!
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Apr 25 2009, 4:16pm

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RIVENDELL - THE SHARDS OF NARSIL

The Lord of the Rings


In the Fellowship of the Ring, we see the statue of a woman holding the shards of Narsil in a passageway just above Elrond's chamber.



The Hobbit


Seeing as these were maintained in Elrond's House since many ages, might it be too far-fatched to assume we'll be given a passing glimpse of the familiar statue bearing the still-broken and yet-unclaimed blade of the last King of Gondor?




Crows and Gibbets! What is the House of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and their brats roll around on the floor with the dogs? You are but a lesser son of greater sires!
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THE FINDING OF THE RING

The Lord of the Rings


Besides the fact that Bilbo is played by Ian Holm in the Trilogy, we see a rather strange hand in the Prologue groping out and coming upon the One Ring, a hand that doesn't seem to be Ian Holm's.





The Hobbit

Though it hasn't been confirmed who Bilbo will be played by in the new films, I think it's pretty much confirmed that it won't be Ian Holm, and this hand reaching out for the Ring might in fact be the only "link" between the finding of the Ring in the Trilogy and the finding of the Ring in The Hobbit.

Whether PJ goes back and re-edits the Prologue in the Lord of the Rings to match the full length scene from The Hobbit is left to be seen...




Crows and Gibbets! What is the House of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and their brats roll around on the floor with the dogs? You are but a lesser son of greater sires!
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Apr 25 2009, 4:25pm

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GOLLUM

The Lord of the Rings


We see two versions of Gollum in the Trilogy - the first is an entirely CGI depiction used in FOTR and the second is the one using Andy Serkis in his mo-cap suit.

Early Version of Gollum


Andy Serkis as Gollum


Do you wonder which Gollum design we'll see in The Hobbit"? The first version looks more like a "creature" and less like a "person", more like how he's described in The Hobbit. The second version looks more like a "degraded person/hobbit" and less like a "creature", like how he's described in The Lord of the Rings. Either way, with Andy behind his suit, we're in for some treatsies.

The Hobbit

More importantly, the guys at WETA were such geeks, they even showed us the scars of Gollum's torture in Mordor that he bears on his lanky back. Poor Smeagol.

Gollum being tortured (shown in the Fellowship of the Ring)


Gollum bearing the scars of his torture


Now we all know that Gollum's imprisonment in Mordor took place years after Bilbo encountered him in the caves... so, no torture marks on good Smeagol's back... nice Smeagol, lucky Smeagol.




Crows and Gibbets! What is the House of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and their brats roll around on the floor with the dogs? You are but a lesser son of greater sires!
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Apr 25 2009, 4:32pm

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WARGS

The Lord of the Rings


In the trilogy, we see the Wargs (or the Wolves of Isengard) in The Two Towers that look like this...



... and again in The Return of the King as Gothmog's steed who looks like this...



Tolkien never describes what Wargs look like in The Lord of the Rings and I have no problem with they way they were portrayed in the Trilogy. However, it has been mentioned that these were not wolf-life but more hyena-like.

The Hobbit

In response to a question about the design of Wargs in The Hobbit films during the Unexpected Party chat hosted by WETA, Guillermo del Toro answered that "[Wargs] will be different from the Hyena ones established in the Trilogy - they will be faithful to the creatures in the book and will be redesigned accordingly."

I'm not sure what exactly being faithful to the creatures in the books really means, except that maybe he simply means they will be "wolf-like" and not "hyena-like", which is perhaps sufficient to be true to what they are in the book, that is, wolves. In the Design Galleries on the Appendices Disc of The Two Towers Extended Edition, we do see a bunch of wolf-like Wargs designed by Alan Lee and John Howe.





These concept sketches will perhaps give us an idea of the direction the filmmakers will be going in towards redesigning the Wargs so as to have them look different from those in the Trilogy.




Crows and Gibbets! What is the House of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and their brats roll around on the floor with the dogs? You are but a lesser son of greater sires!
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THORIN'S FIRST PAYMENT TO BILBO - THE MITHRIL VEST

The Lord of the Rings


In the movie, we see Bilbo presenting Frodo with his old mithril vest in Rivendell (and we see it a couple of other times during the trilogy as well).



The Hobbit


""Mr.Baggins", [Thorin] cried, "here is the first payment of your reward. Cast off your old coat and put on this." With that he put on Bilbo a small coat of mail, wrought for some young elf-prince long ago. It was of silver-steel which the elves call mithril, and with it went a belt of pearl and crystals."
- The Hobbit - Chapter 13 - Not At Home.

I suppose this here moment is a scene in the name of "continuity" just waiting to happen. What say you?




Crows and Gibbets! What is the House of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and their brats roll around on the floor with the dogs? You are but a lesser son of greater sires!
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Apr 25 2009, 4:38pm

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CAMEO - JOHN RHYS-DAVIES as GIMLI

The Lord of the Rings


This little Dwarf needs no introduction, does he? He's rather grumpy and grouchy, but steadfast in his friendships.



The Hobbit

No, Gimli does not appear in The Hobbit, at all. However, in the chapter on "The Quest of Erebor" in Unfinished Tales, we have Gimli say, "I knew Thorin, of course; and I wish I had been there [Thorin's halls in the Blue Mountains], but I was away at the time of your first visit to us. And I was not allowed to go on the quest: too young, they said, though at sixty-two I thought myself fit for anything."

Seeing as The Hobbit is going to span two films, this might perhaps be a nice opportunity to have John Rhys-Davies make a cameo in them without it becoming an unneceaasry indulgence. What say you?




Crows and Gibbets! What is the House of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and their brats roll around on the floor with the dogs? You are but a lesser son of greater sires!

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CAMEO - PETER JACKSON as BUNGO BAGGINS & FRAN WALSH as BELLADONNA TOOK

The Lord of the Rings


In the movie, we see two simple but beautiful portraits of Bilbo's parents above his mantlepiece in Bag End. These are in fact sketches of Peter Jackson without his beard (back in 2001 when he looked like a cute, chubby hobbit) and Fran Walsh.



The Hobbit


If they can find a nice way to, I sure wouldn't mind seeing this amazing couple make a brief appearance in The Hobbit... Peter Jackson as Mr. Bungo Baggins and his partner Fran Walsh as the dear Belladonna Took.






Crows and Gibbets! What is the House of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and their brats roll around on the floor with the dogs? You are but a lesser son of greater sires!
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Apr 25 2009, 4:49pm

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Sorry about this. I should have mentioned it in my very first post way up, but it only hit me when I was posting the replies and found my browser get slower and slower with each reply Pirate

Please try and view this entire thread in threaded mode to avoid the browser slowdown effect of this image-intensive post. For newbies, there's a button atop the very first post and also below the very last post called "View Threaded" that will help you switch views from flat mode to threaded mode.

Thanks and sorry it slipped my mind earlier Evil




Crows and Gibbets! What is the House of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and their brats roll around on the floor with the dogs? You are but a lesser son of greater sires!


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Apr 26 2009, 1:35am

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was, of course, perfect for this Istari who hadn't lost his connection with Valinor or Middle-earth - and a beautiful contrast to Saruman's exquisitely crafted metal staff.

Gandalf could easily have a different staff for The Hobbit - I mean, they're made of wood and they do wear out, especially when battling the occasional Warg and Necromancer over the years...

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Apr 26 2009, 1:42am

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and it appears this is the aim, then a glowless Glamdring would be the way to go. I'm also not sure how many glowing swords a film can have without losing its real-world grittiness.

And can I just say here that the inscription on Glamdring is a perfect example of the 'beyond the call of duty' approach that Weta Workshop took to the props? No one would know about this inscription except those people working on the films - no way would the audience be able to see it, but the effort was put in to make these *replicas* of Tolkien's creation, not just good-looking swords. These guys are legends.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Apr 26 2009, 1:59am

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JRD's antipathy for the face prosthetics would hold him back from one more involvement in Middle-earth?

If he gets the chance, I dearly hope he says yes.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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To respond to several of your posts here...

I particularly like your idea that PJ and Fran Walsh could appear as hobbit VIPs. Nice!

You picked up on a lot of little nuances -- like Gandalf should not have a sword when he first shows up, Gollum should not show the marks of his torture, Sting should not be engraved, etc. I wonder if GDT and crew have considered all of that?

The brief glimpse we get of the trolls in FOTR did not match my "book image" of them, maybe because they are so comical in the Hobbit. I always pictured them as more "country bumpkin" types, so they looked more ogre-ish than I expected. It will be interesting to see if they choose to match this look...or make them a bit more "human". I'm kind of looking forward to Gandalf tricking them and then seeing them turn to stone...hope they include that!

I'm glad to see Gramma and you working together on this and that you'll be linking this to her Hobbit album -- nice companion pieces! If you guys produce a coffee table book, I'd buy one!

Cheers and thanks for this party gift!

Weaver







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Apr 26 2009, 1:20pm

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Apr 26 2009, 1:46pm

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it would be so nice for him to have that same staff; but given how many times he's used it as a weapon and not just support, I imagine he pretty much goes through his staves. It's always struck me that he went from a pipe-bearing model (more laid-back, travel friendly) to a functional one for dark places (with the glowing gem).



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"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."

I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.



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Apr 26 2009, 1:50pm

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That would be a perfect way to get them into a cameo as, maybe, a flashback as Bilbo (and hobbits in general) is introduced... maybe a narration/voice over by our Ian Holm of the text from the book!

I love it, Earl!



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"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."

I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.



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