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drogo
Lorien


Apr 15 2007, 9:22pm

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Children of Húrin Discussion? Can't Post

Back when we were doing the sign-up for the artists discussion, we discussed following that up with a discussion of the "new" Children of Húrin which comes out on Tuesday. I don't think we had an official voting thread on it, so maybe this could be a thread to sound out ideas about our next discussion (if we want to do Húrin or some other book or topic).

Right now we go through May 14, the last of the open discussion weeks on artists. Thoughts on what we might do next?


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deej
Tol Eressea


Apr 15 2007, 11:57pm

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I would definitely be interested [In reply to] Can't Post

This coming from someone who hardly posts in here! But count me in; i've got my copy on hold at Borders and plan to be there as soon as they open on Tuesday.

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Wynnie
Rohan


Apr 16 2007, 12:07am

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Yes, let's! [In reply to] Can't Post

I've been hoping we could start Children of Hurin as soon as the Tolkien art discussions are over. Count me in.





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drogo
Lorien


Apr 16 2007, 1:34am

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Tol Eressea


Apr 16 2007, 1:38am

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Sounds good to me// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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a.s.
Valinor


Apr 16 2007, 2:06am

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mine's on order, let's do it [In reply to] Can't Post

since that will force me to read it.

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a.s.

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And I choose: let the mystery be.
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Beren IV
Gondor


Apr 16 2007, 4:04am

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Would it be too much to ask if... [In reply to] Can't Post

...you let me order it and let it arrive before we launch into the discussion? Smile

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Modtheow
Lorien

Apr 16 2007, 4:16am

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Sure! [In reply to] Can't Post

As long as it's not right away. After the Tolkien art discussions would be just about right for me.


Altaira
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Apr 16 2007, 4:56am

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CoH sounds perfect as our next discussion [In reply to] Can't Post

....Well, as perfect as it can be considering I'm still coming to terms with the fact that Turin's story is my least favorite of Tolkien's tales. FrownCrazy

Still, we simply *must* discuss the most recent release of Tolkien's works, and the timing corresponds perfectly with the end of the current - giving people enough time to start (and for many to finish) it by mid-May.


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Curious
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Apr 16 2007, 6:05am

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Makes sense to me./ [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Eledhwen
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Apr 16 2007, 6:56am

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Is it long enough? [In reply to] Can't Post

I'd like to start contributing again to the RR and as I love this story would love to contribute, so despite my long absence am pitching in a thought ... is mid-May long enough for everyone to a) get their sticky paws on CoH, and b) finish it? I know if I can find a copy I'll have it finished, 'cos I read fast, but perhaps we ought to leave it a little longer?

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drogo
Lorien


Apr 16 2007, 10:27am

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**How about starting it in June?** [In reply to] Can't Post

That would give people time to get the book, and to get ahead in the reading (since many like to have it under their belts before Chapter 1 discussion begins!).

I volunteered with Altaira to help coordinate it as N.E. Brigand did with the artists discussion since she has a lot on her plate. I think we'd all like to find a balance so that those who are brand new or fairly new to the story would be happy along with those who are familiar with all the different incarnations of the Turin account, a mix of the scholarly with those who see it as a good read. This would be a great chance to draw some people into the RR, some for the first time, so we could see how the new furniture squire bought holds up.

Here's a proposal, and if we might want to adjust the timing, that's fine with me. There could be a sign-up thread towards the beginning of May and we'd start in June. I'll glance at the number of chapters and appendices, etc., once I get it in hand, and from there we can make an estimate about how long it will take what it'll entail.

I know Túrin's story is not exactly up with people people material, and there are no hobbits (though we did have a post series a while ago about a "hobbit-like" character Tolkien considered introducing--N.E. could maybe supply the link). But it's a new Tolkien book, AND we can extend our illustration discussion by looking at the Alan Lee images as we go through the text!


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N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Apr 16 2007, 3:19pm

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Excellent, drogo. [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for taking this on. I look forward to participating on whatever schedule is arranged by Altaira and yourself.

As you noted, Tolkien did consider one way to overcome the absence of reader-friendly Hobbit characters in the "Silmarillion", but his peculiar and undeveloped solution was to use the Drúedain (Woses) for this purpose. Túrin's childhood friend, the lame servant Sador Labadal, was to have become a Drúg named Sadog: see this excellent post by squire from October. Given that Tolkien apparently never did more than note his intentions for this character --he never wrote any scenes with Sadog-- it is unlikely that he appears in The Children of Húrin.

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drogo
Lorien


Apr 16 2007, 5:09pm

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Thanks! [In reply to] Can't Post

I remembered that post.

I'll be getting a copy tomorrow, so I'll look at it thinking how it could be used in a discussion (divide up chapters, or whatever). Can't wait to get it!


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Rohwen
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Apr 17 2007, 2:05am

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I just hope I will be able to resist reading CoH until final exams are over. [In reply to] Can't Post

My exams don't end until May 10th- keeping a copy of that book nearby could be hazardous to my grade point average! Mine is on super saver shipping from Amazon so maybe it will take long enough to let me finish my academic studies first! Cheers to having a discussion in June! I hope I can join in, but I might not be around!


entmaiden
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Apr 17 2007, 2:42am

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Back when we were doing the sign-up for the artists discussion, we discussed following that up with a discussion of the "new" Children of Húrin which comes out on Tuesday. I don't think we had an official voting thread on it, so maybe this could be a thread to sound out ideas about our next discussion (if we want to do Húrin or some other book or topic).

Right now we go through May 14, the last of the open discussion weeks on artists. Thoughts on what we might do next?



Late May sounds great for timing - it will give us enough time to read it, at least once. I should have my copy by this weekend and hope to start on it right away!

Of course, Turin is my least favorite character and I've hoping that there's something in COH to change my mind.Evil

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drogo
Lorien


Apr 17 2007, 3:55am

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Link to Michael Drout's review of CoH (on a related note) [In reply to] Can't Post

There are some spoilers, so beware!

http://wormtalk.blogspot.com/...-below-contains.html


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Eledhwen
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Apr 17 2007, 10:05am

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Sounds perfect [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks, drogo.

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Owlyross
Rohan


Apr 17 2007, 10:48am

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I saw the book yesterday [In reply to] Can't Post

And had a flick through and I totally second his comments about it being incredibly well-designed. There are picture plates, a large, well-spaced typeface (not always the case with other Tokien books), and pictures heading and finishing the chapters. It does look like the sort of book that is a pleasure to read, rather than just page after page of uninterrupted text which, although it is what a book is, the addition of some design can make an unbelievable difference.

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elentari3018
Rohan


Apr 18 2007, 12:54am

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Re: CoH discussion [In reply to] Can't Post

Count me in for a discussion! I'm already reading the book and enjoying it a lot, a lot a lot! :D

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mythlover
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Apr 18 2007, 1:40pm

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Children of Hurin cover art [In reply to] Can't Post

There's a short review of the book over on the Endicott Studio blog, which in turn links to a review on Salon.com:
http://endicottstudio.typepad.com/...back_to_middle_.html


I spotted this bit of trivia at the bottom of the review:

"Endicott contributor Howard Gayton posed for the hero in the book's cover painting by Alan Lee. You can read Howard's article on fairy tale theater here, and see more art by Alan here and here. To view a "video trailer" about the new Tolkien book, visit the Harper Collins UK website."


Can't wait to get a copy of the book. Sounds great, and I've always loved Lee's art.


Daughter of Nienna
Grey Havens


Apr 18 2007, 8:56pm

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Children of Húrin resources [In reply to] Can't Post

Here are some Children of Húrin resources I put together for for my Alan Lee discussion (can be found on page two of the Reading Room):

Alan Lee Discussion #17 – Coming Attractions
http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;


...

Art Gallery Revised, Aloha & Mahalo, Websites Directory

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mythlover
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Apr 18 2007, 10:22pm

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Alan Lee [In reply to] Can't Post

Daughter of Nienna:

One of those Alan Lee links in my post just above yours goes to a nice article about him on the Endicott site.


Daughter of Nienna
Grey Havens


Apr 19 2007, 3:10am

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thank-you [In reply to] Can't Post

I saw that. I am quite familiar with those links you posted. I had not seen you article yet, so thank you for posting it.

I can see that you like Alan Lee art. Included are links to that site in #2 – Biography & #18 – Lobby Refreshments. Perhaps you missed the Alan lee Discussion a couple of weeks ago. Below is the Alan Lee Discussion:

Alan Lee Discussion #1 – Introduction
http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;


Alan Lee Discussion #2 – Biography & Background
http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;


Alan Lee Discussion #3 - Landscapes & Woods: Lord of the Rings
http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;


Alan Lee Discussion #4 - Places in The Hobbit
http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;


Alan Lee Discussion #5 – Races-Hobbits, Dwarves
http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;


Alan Lee Discussion #6 - Race-Elves, Men
http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;


Alan Lee Discussion #7 - Animals, Creatures & Monsters http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;


Alan Lee Discussion #8 - Architectural Places: Cities, Towns, Buildings
http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;


Alan Lee Discussion #9 - Main Characters
http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;


Alan Lee Discussion #10 - The Bad Guys
http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;


Alan Lee Discussion #13 - Scenes from the Hobbit
http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;


Alan Lee Discussion #12 – Scenes & Action Scenes-LotR
http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;

Alan Lee Discussion #12b – Battle Scenes
http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;


Alan Lee Discussion #13 - Epic Scenes / Iconic Moments
http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;


Alan Lee Discussion #14 - Mythic Types - Part I
http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;


Alan Lee Discussion #15 - Mythic Types - Part II
http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;


Alan Lee Discussion #16 - Closing Credits
http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;

Alan Lee Discussion #16b - Closing Credits - Part b: Supporting Cast
http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;


Alan Lee Discussion #17 – Coming Attractions
http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;
Locate original file…info vanished right after posting?????


Alan Lee Discussion #18 – Lobby Refreshments
http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;


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Art Gallery Revised, Aloha & Mahalo, Websites Directory

Nienna: “ those who hearken to her learn pity, and endurance in hope . . . All those who wait in Mandos cry to her, for she brings strength to the spirit and turns sorrow to wisdom." — Valaquenta


showard2
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Apr 22 2007, 9:22pm

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Children of Hurin [In reply to] Can't Post

I was very surprised to see the new book at the Library last week! I 'm reading it right now. I feel Im actually reading a Tolkien book for the first time since LOTHR,although I agree with some-would like to have seen Beren and Luthien,or The Fall of Gondonlin first! Still,its good,and I dont care what that book review says! Smile

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