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MrCere
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Mar 18 2009, 7:04am
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Gaiman, Colbert, Tolkien
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This is posted on TORn's front page but is well worth a discussion here.
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I have no choice but to believe in free will.
The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie
My blog
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Luthien Rising
Menegroth
Mar 18 2009, 2:21pm
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From Neil Gaiman's Twitter stream:
And cut from the interview is our favourite LOTR characters. Mine Gandalf. His, Faramir.
Someone really needs to ask Colbert if that's book Faramir or movie Faramir ...
Lúthien Rising
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. / We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.
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Voorhas
Menegroth
Mar 18 2009, 3:09pm
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Thanks, I Might Have Missed This...
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...Gaiman looks a little uncomfortable (could be the tie) and Colbert's having fun as usual. Great segment.
Karamba, Karacho, ein Whisky
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Noneoftheabove
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Mar 18 2009, 8:22pm
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Thanks for sharing what I otherwise might have missed!
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I need to start paying more attention to Colbert's show. His interview with Mr. Gaiman, while humorous, made me appreciate the author and his new book. I never come away from talk shows with advertising plugs that make me genuinely interested in the seller and their product.
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weathertop
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Mar 18 2009, 9:14pm
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Now THAT was an utterly fan-tastic recommendation. Don't know if any of you have seen any of his stuff; most notably to me are the two Maus books...
wow i geeked out at that mention!
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MrCere
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Mar 19 2009, 7:45am
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I have no choice but to believe in free will.
The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie
My blog
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Wynnie
Nargothrond
Mar 20 2009, 7:14pm
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the next day. Laughed so hard my stomach hurt.
And according to Neil Gaiman's blog http://journal.neilgaiman.com/
the Bombadil bit "was not rehearsed, no, I had no idea that mentioning Tom Bombadil would produce that result".
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grammaboodawg
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Mar 21 2009, 1:46am
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When it comes to Tolkien, that man is... like... a racing engine sitting in neutral. One little sign, and he drops into gear and peels out! GO, DUDE! You do us proud :D
"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."
I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.
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Mar 21 2009, 5:46am
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Colbert PWNED Gaiman on Tom Bombadil
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Bombadil 1, Gaiman 0
I can't believe I didn't see this when it first aired
Colbert is a Tolkien fanatic....I seriously think he'd want a cameo in the Hobbit if he could, as a background extra. He's got a cave troll action figure on his computer.
Colbert: "Who was your favorite character?"
Gaiman: (pauses to think) "...uh...anyone but Tom Bombadil"
Colbert: (incensed) "...what do you have against Tom Bombadil?!"
Gaiman: "Uh...it was the songs.."
Colbert: "Tom Bombadil, Tom Bombadilo, bright blue his jacket is and his boots are yellow!
Gaiman: "Uh...yeah--"
Colbert: "--No one has ever caught him still, Tom he is the Master; his songs are stronger songs, and his feet are faster"
Gaiman: "Frankly, I think you've given me all the evidence I need there, Stephen"
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guessed my name, but what's puzzling you, is the nature of my game"
Formerly known on TORN as "Draug the Unspeakably Violent"
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Sunflower
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Mar 21 2009, 10:54pm
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And now the video is no longer there.
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So I can't see it.
Seriously, folks, this has been happening with increasingly frequency this month, with content from all kinds of American channels. Many of them can no longer be viewed outside the country, especially on YouTube.
With movies, I can understand this, as a studio of course wants a DVD revenue stream. But a one-time TV show that isn't a sitcom?
Unless there's a "Best of Colbert" DVD compliation in the works, my conspiracy theory-o- meter is beginning to scream "censorship."  Hackers of the world unite! We need to catch this stuff and download it to places where it is recoverable.
Six months ago I would not have said this. But now...
Anyway, that sounds hilarious. Colbery has me out-geeked, hands down. I'd love to see him get in a match with Mr. Brigand. NEB would have HIM outgeeked, methinks
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Sunflower
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Mar 22 2009, 8:34pm
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Surely by now you can differentiate a patented Sunflower Sermon (ie Rant), from a serious advocation for illegal activity:) And believe me, as someone who writes, I can understand the copyright issue.
I was commenting on networks who didn't provide any means of watching it, just arbitrarily yanking it off the air. Or not allowing viewers in other countries to watch episodes. There used to be a time when the Net was more democratic.
As for the "Six months from now" comment....FYI the enforced switch to digital is a lot on my mind these days. And every day we read of another newspaper in the country closing down. The fact that a lot of major sites get their news stories from newspapers...I am thinking a lot about the diminished sources of information we are seeing and how this affects democratic discourse. The New York Times may go bankrupt in May, and the print edition at least will be no more if that happens. So I've read (and no it was NOT in the NY Post or Wall Street journal.)
Saving trees? Maybe. But the Internet is not as indestructable as many people think...at least that's IMO.
End of sermon. I PROMISE:)
Anyway, I'm glad there's a link. I'll watch it asap. Thanks Magpie.
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Magpie
Elvenhome
Mar 22 2009, 9:46pm
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I can appreciate your concerns
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and rants and jokes. ;^)
that said, I might add these thoughts.
I was commenting on networks who didn't provide any means of watching it
But railing against this video in particular which was offered on an official site (which I will assume is network supported but if not, surely artist supported) and it took me only 30 seconds to find it.
And every day we read of another newspaper in the country closing down. The fact that a lot of major sites get their news stories from newspapers...I am thinking a lot about the diminished sources of information we are seeing and how this affects democratic discourse.
Which provides a good reason why people yank videos off YouTube that 'belong' to them. If a paper or tv station (or whatever news source) has researched, developed and produced a story that then goes on their site... then it really only benefits them if it stays on their site. (A case can be made for word of mouth and good will but in these days, money is doing all the talking, as in 'revenue').
Aside from preserving the revenue for work they produce, by keeping it on their site they maintain whatever integrity they care to. They have no control over that same work on YouTube. Comments are wildly unmoderated and often obscene or offense. The video could be embedded in any site that cares to and that creative entity could find itself unwittingly aligned with people or organizations they don't wish to.
We interact with media on the net mostly as consumers in the form of entertainment. It's a whole 'nother world when you interact with it in a professional, business venture manner. I don't know many people who start out thinking, 'I better be hardnosed about this.' Most get that way when they find out how badly things can go wrong when they're a bit loosey goosey. And I maintain it's not hardnosed to be clear and firm about parameters, boundaries, limits, and terms. It's good business practice.
Surely by now you can differentiate a patented Sunflower Sermon (ie Rant), from a serious advocation for illegal activity:)
Perhaps. But the risk I alluded to was not that someone would be incited to break the law. The risk is felt by those of us who are trying to maintain an amicable relationship with the PTB. From the small fry like myself who has a prominent website that walks a fine line of covering marketed, creative material in an educational (vs. entertainment) manner, to the people at TORn and Doug Adams who want to work with PJ, GdT, Howard Shore and Warner Brothers. I made a personal and professional decision that I would not linger or frequent any place that openly discusses file sharing or other net related illegal activity. I wouldn't speak for Doug but I fear he may not speak for himself at a forum like TORn. I don't think he could maintain a good relationship with Howard if he frequented a board that openly discussed or shared creative material. He's quite firm about it on his blog and I want him to feel as comfortable here as on his blog. And this issue has come up here and in other forums so I tend to speak up early rather than let it pass unnoticed and then see it spiral out of control (as it did on another well respected forum).
That's not to say that a simple comment is going to destroy the good name of TORn. But, in my mind, it's risky to go there. Even as a joke.
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Sunflower
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Mar 23 2009, 4:42pm
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I said that would be the end of it, and I'm sticking by that. I also am noting TORN's relationship with WB, and we need to preserve our integrity in that regard.
BUT, that said, have you read the new story on the homepage? That comment on how there was one time when the studios "came around" and tried to work with fans...and now it's more "about how to exploit the online community." I wonder how Warner's is going to be different than New Line in allowing any kind of information about the production and filming and the rest of TH creative process once it starts getting really underway. As well as exploitation of the franchise in marketing terms. The fans had some say in that--they led by example. (Burger King onion "Rings"? Remember those? And that was in good economic times!) We shall perhaps get our first answers to these questions when we see the casting choices. Bilbo will be a good start.
In the end New Line "came around", and the fans and NL enjoyed an amicable relationship. We toed the line, but at the same time, enough info was allowed to get through that the fans were satisfied. I can understand the complete silence now b/c they're at a delicate point: the casting process. Which must of course be kept secret. And of course the locations must not be revealed either until filming has started. But I hope Jeff Bewkes does not see the Tolkien fans as a base to be"exploited"!
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Mar 28 2009, 4:05am
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It was out of nowhere and classic and worth a whole year of cable bills. I never laughed so hard since Adrian Mole's boss got into a fistfight with his girlfriend's father over the opening paragraph of The Fellowship of The Ring.
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