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Saelind
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Feb 14 2009, 3:31am
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The House of Eorl Part IV
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What’s in a name?
A short post on the names of the Eotheod and their ancestors. Linguists and language groupies are welcome.
First, we turn to the few names that have come to us from the kingdom of Rhovanion. Vidugavia (Widugauja), Vidumavi (Widumawi), Marhwini, Marhari and Forthwini which have Gothic roots. No accident that Tolkien who fell in love with a Gothic language primer as a youth would incorporate that language into his legendarium.
Any other examples of Gothic or Gothic rooted words/names/places?
Frumgar is remembered as the chief who led the people to their old land of the north. His son Fram slew Scatha and won his hoard.
What linguistic group do these names fall into, Gothic or Anglo-Saxon?
When we get to Leod, Eorl’s father, the names resemble Anglo-Saxon. Tolkien also indulges his love of the “f” sound here. Frealaf, Frea, Freawine, Folca, Folcwine, and Fengel. And we thought the elves were bad!
Are these names found in AS literature or has Tolkien altered them so that they resemble AS names?
Other comments? For myself, my love of the Rohirrim kindled an interest in learning Old English, though to be honest, I have not made much progress. 
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Feb 14 2009, 11:27pm
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but Leod is Gaelic to me : Leòd (or Old Gaelic : Léot ), and the Clan MacLeod : MacLeòid.
Leod may be related to Old Norse Ljótr.
Scatha is also Gaelic to me, and interestingly, has a geographical connection to Leod and the Clan MacLeod.
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Feb 14 2009, 11:41pm
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I'll let all the Wikipedia folks fight it out
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about whether or not The Isle of Skye is named after Scáthach. =)
(This post was edited by Eowyn of Penns Woods on Feb 14 2009, 11:50pm)
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N.E. Brigand
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Feb 15 2009, 3:52am
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"Marhwini", "Marhari" and "Forthwini" are early Old English not Gothic.
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So David Salo has observed, and Arden Smith concurs. Parts of Smith's paper on Tolkien's use of Gothic was summarized here in an earlier discussion of the appendix on Gondor.
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sador
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Feb 15 2009, 7:13am
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So I'll repeat my question: what does 'Vinyaron' mean?
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That's the original name of Vinitharya's (Eldacar's) grandson, who took the throne as Hyarmendacil II.
Is that name also Gothic, or in Tolkien, in the language of Rhovanion? Or is it Sindarin, as would be expected? Any play on words? Consequently, does 'Vinitharya' have a double meaning?
"All that he (Pippin) could remember about Rohan was that Gandalf's horse, Shadowfax, had come from that land."
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N.E. Brigand
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Feb 15 2009, 5:31pm
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The "Thain's Book" site says:
The name Vinyarion appears to be composed of the Quenya word vinya meaning "new" and the masculine ending -ion.
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sador
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Feb 15 2009, 5:50pm
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Could this have been an internal joke?
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Like, for instance, the Dunlendings who tried to get Calenardhon once the Dunedain inhabitants were diminished - and both coming from the West!
"All that he (Pippin) could remember about Rohan was that Gandalf's horse, Shadowfax, had come from that land."
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Saelind
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Feb 16 2009, 4:38am
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"Hangs head in shame." That's what I get for not doing my research more carefully!
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N.E. Brigand
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Feb 16 2009, 5:06am
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No worries! It's pretty obscure.
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And you're in good company: Christopher Tolkien makes the same mistake in Unfinished Tales. I certainly wouldn't know anything of it, if I hadn't heard Smith present in Marquette.
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