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Scrap Howard Shore, I know the perfect composer!
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Agrippa
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Feb 13 2009, 3:25pm

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Scrap Howard Shore, I know the perfect composer! Can't Post

Scrap Howard Shore for the Hobbit, and hire Joe Hisaishi. Sure, Shore is a good composer, but Hisaishi is the best!

Knowing that Del Toro want to make a more "mature" version of The Hobbit than the one we know and love, hiring Hisaishi would perhaps bring a subtle "childish" touch to the films. Not that he is not capable of anything else, but I do feel it would be marvelous with a theme that keeps hinting to an age of more innocense, that the second (?) age actually was.

Also, I know no other artist than Hisaishi that would suit better to compose the Tomb Bombadill theme, that would surely be amazing!

Well, shall we go for the barricades?!


simplyaven
Grey Havens


Feb 13 2009, 4:21pm

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I'm not sure about the barricades... [In reply to] Can't Post

but I wonder what Tom Bombadil has to do with the Hobbit Shocked And with all my respect, I'm very happy Shore will be in as I think he is an extremely talented person who composed a brilliant music for LOTR to the point where the music played a role itself, it became a character. Also, welcome to TORN Smile

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Darkstone
Immortal


Feb 13 2009, 8:46pm

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Here upon these stones [In reply to] Can't Post

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We claim as our own!

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Somewhere beyond the barricade
Is there a film you long to see?
Do you hear the people sing?
Say, do you hear the distant drums?
It is the future that they bring
When tomorrow comes...
Tomorrow comes!

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



Buchanicus
Lorien


Feb 13 2009, 9:34pm

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No way. [In reply to] Can't Post

Howard Shore is the perfect, and in my mind, the only choice.

His score is one of the things I'm most excited about.

TORn member formally known as ryan1976.


Darkstone
Immortal


Feb 13 2009, 10:04pm

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You don't like Schönberg? / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



Darkstone
Immortal


Feb 13 2009, 10:25pm

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Strange [In reply to] Can't Post

I would have thought you'd pick Leonard Rosenman as the Ideal.

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



willowgreylock
Lorien


Feb 13 2009, 10:36pm

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GASP! [In reply to] Can't Post

Bite Your Tongue! I LOVE Howard Shore, there is NONE better than he for this project in my book.
I don't begrudge you your opinion of coarse, but I just don't happen to agree with you on this one.

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Finduilas101
Rivendell


Feb 13 2009, 11:28pm

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Scrap Howard Shore????? NOOOOOO!!!!! *pretends to stab self with pencil and flails around wildly* Knife in the heart right there...Anyway, enough theatrics. I can't possibly think of anyone else besides Howard Shore that could do The Hobbit and keep the same sort of flow from LOTR. There are lots of great composers out there, but Shore totally GETS Middle-Earth in a way that I am doubtfull anyone else could.

Looking around Elrond's library...chucking stones in the waterfalls...singing tra-la-la with the elves....yup, life's good in Rivendell.


Owain
Tol Eressea


Feb 14 2009, 1:14am

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Respecting your opinion... [In reply to] Can't Post

... I am curious why you think is music is fitting for The Hobbit. Much of his work is based around Japanese culture. This isn't to say that he cannot write with a different theme, sound, culture in mind but his body of work (while imaginative) doesn't reflect anything in keeping with the Trilogy.

I am all for thinking outside the box thoughSmile

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Cegwyn
Bree

Feb 14 2009, 10:03pm

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Howard Shore is one of the best composers I've ever heard! If they didn't use him for The Hobbit, the movie would be half ruined for me already!Mad


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squire
Valinor


Feb 15 2009, 12:04am

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One Year More! [In reply to] Can't Post

One more year of pre-production
But the music takes two more
We’ll make money from these fanboys
They will wet themselves for Shore!



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Lossefalme
Gondor


Feb 15 2009, 4:06am

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Shore is the only choice for me! [In reply to] Can't Post

I am listening to the CR of RotK as we speak. Shore brought ME to life with his score. There is no other for me. I don't know if I would even go see The Hobbit without his music because it is so much a part of the experience and of ME for me.

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Menelwyn
Rohan


Feb 15 2009, 11:43pm

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LOL! [In reply to] Can't Post

Never actually thought to be replying to a squire post with that subject line! But then, I never expected to see Les Mis parodies around here either. A long time ago I was on a Les Mis listserve and we wrote Les Mis parodies all the time, but I never expected I was going to encounter one in the middle of a discussion about The Hobbit movies!

*goes off to get my head around this*


Silverlode
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Feb 16 2009, 12:27am

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He's just following [In reply to] Can't Post

a TORN tradition with a long and glorious history. Song parodies used to be one of our favorite pastimes in the Elder Days, though they've become much rarer of late. If you like Les Mis parodies, here are two more for your enjoyment, written by Eledhwen several years ago.

Silverlode

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Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
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vtboyarc
Lorien


Feb 17 2009, 12:37am

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no. [In reply to] Can't Post

are you daft? Keep Howard Shore! He's been to middle-earth - let him go back again, and take us there with him through his music.

Theres some good in this world, Mr. Frodo, and its worth fighting for.


Goldberry of the river
Lorien


Feb 17 2009, 5:41pm

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No it's got to be Shore [In reply to] Can't Post

Shore's music was perfect for Middle-earth so naturally he will be the choice for The Hobbit. I expect he's a very good composer as you recommended him but it would be like saying that another very good actor could be Gandalf. It just wouldn't be right because he knows the character like Shore knows Middle-Earth.

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Agrippa
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Feb 18 2009, 12:06am

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Imagine [In reply to] Can't Post

Imagine this piece when the eagles saves the company and they enter the realms of Beorn!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtPm5GiJ_iM


Earl
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Feb 18 2009, 6:31am

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That might've been appropriate if Beorn lived in China... [In reply to] Can't Post

... while that music is beautiful, it does not conjure that magical feeling that Shore's score so effortlessly does. This takes me to China - were I to close my eyes and listen to this with no knowledge of who composed that piece and for what purpose, I would still think "China".

Shore managed to incorporate eastern cultures in his work (Lothlorien for example) but it was done so very subtly and tweaked so aptly you didn't think "Earth" but "Middle-earth". There's something Middle-earthy about his work - it doesn't remind you of any specific culture or country on this earth, and yet it does not feel otherworldly either. He managed to tread a fine line between reality and fantasy that is grounded in realism. And how!!

This is why I think Shore is the perfect choice. Have you listened to the complete recordings of the scores? If nothing else, he's earned his place on these new films, just like many others who did marvellous jobs on LOTR, and he deserves to revisit it. He's still brimming with enthusiam and creativity, he wants to go there back again, the filmmakers want to have him with them, and a majority of the fans have no bones to pick with the scores, at all.

So I really don't see the need to replace Shore just because other composers write beautiful music as well Smile

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grammaboodawg
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Feb 19 2009, 8:02pm

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Sorry... but my Haven is on Shore ;) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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Glaurung63
Lorien

Feb 20 2009, 5:56am

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For Shore! [In reply to] Can't Post

Just the fact that I've seen the LOTR symphony live, Howard's condensed multi-hour version of the score, with singers and choral groups, and screen projections of artwork....and have my tickets to the Radio City full blown extravaganza in October...makes me a bit....biased....in my belief that Mr. Shore is the right man for the job of orchestrating the music for The Hobbit!!!

I know, we tend to think, "could there be any other?", and freaked when Peter Jackson wasn't directing, and I for one love the choice of Del Toro, and yet for music....which supplies connection and continuity...I think Howard Shore should be the one to compose....he will bring themes and instrumentation from LOTR that will bind the stories together....and yet infuse freshness from Del Toro's direction of the movie scenes....


Nimloth
Lorien


Feb 21 2009, 3:53am

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That music is lovely but... [In reply to] Can't Post

It doesn't conjure up anything 'Middle Earth' just the Orient. I love Shore's music and am really looking forward to hearing his Hobbit themes.


silneldor
Half-elven


Feb 21 2009, 4:56am

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I went ahead and listened to over [In reply to] Can't Post

10 pieces of music by Joe Hisaishi to give him fair chance. Matter of fact i truly do enjoy this kind of music and his music is quite wonderful.

But no matter how great it is, the most it can do is 'speak about' Middle-earth. Howard Shore's Music IS Middle-earth, deep down and through. And that is the root, branch and tree of it.

Of all the possible debated discussion topics, Howard shore's music i feel is the least questioned. This mans' depth of spirit and range of feeling is peerless.

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The true beauty of earth shows
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In the realm of Manwë Súlimo











bowencm
Rivendell

Feb 23 2009, 3:21pm

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Right on...ride the wave to Shore... [In reply to] Can't Post

You know, I was listening to disc 1 of FOTR Complete Recordings this morning on my way to work and I thought of this thread. I wasn't going to bother posting to it, but I've got to say that Howard Shore (already being intimately familiar with the epic since HE COMPOSED IT ALREADY) shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence with verbage such as, "possible replacement for..." Add the fact that he's already begun writing the fmusical ramework for The Hobbit should pretty much tell us that he's in for the long haul. THANK GOD. The picture he paints for the films is unmatched.

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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Feb 23 2009, 5:10pm

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Well Said! [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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The picture he paints for the films is unmatched.



Totally AMEN to that! *high fiveI*


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"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."

I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.



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bowencm
Rivendell

Feb 23 2009, 5:20pm

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Anytime! [In reply to] Can't Post

*Slap back!* ;-)

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