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Did You Ever Notice... The Twilight Ringwraith Costumes?

Arwen's daughter
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Jan 27 2009, 6:19am

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Wow, long time, no costume. Sorry for the long wait this month, things got away from me there. I like to think I'm just extending the life of these discussions rather than making you wait longer for the next one. Crazy

The Twilight Ringwraiths are the forms Frodo sees in the Wraith World. Are these the true forms of the old kings or just another disguise?

As you scroll through these, take a look at some of the trimming and embroidery, even some lace on the ragged costumes. Also, each costume is unique in its design. For such a quick and CGI heavy scene, the crew still thought through what these men should be wearing. I'm musing today on which is more important in a costume like this: the fabric costume/dress or the masks (or if one actually is more important).







Take a look at this next costume and at the king just to the left of center in this shot from the prologue. Their cloaks look the same to me. I don't have any pictures to prove it, but I wonder if the costumers didn't use the same designs for the kings pre and post-wraith.













AlleyCatScratch has some more pictures of these guys, but no details, sadly. The best place I've found for pictures is the EE Costume Gallery for Fellowship of the Ring.

So, any thoughts?


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(This post was edited by Arwen's daughter on Jan 27 2009, 6:27am)


Ataahua
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Jan 27 2009, 6:25am

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Take a look at this next costume and at the king just to the left of center in this shot from the prologue. Their cloaks look the same to me. I don't have any pictures to prove it, but I wonder if the costumers didn't use the same designs for the kings pre and post-wraith.



They do look like the same designs to me. Nice pick-up!

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Ainu Laire
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Jan 27 2009, 9:23am

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I love how they look like old, kingly robes that have gone through years of deterioration and wear. And I definitely think that cloak was based on the one in the prologue. Wonderful catch.

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Jan 27 2009, 12:27pm

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I love how aged they look... [In reply to] Can't Post

Like they have been decaying for many a long year. Decayed, but yet still regal. Wonderful. Thanks AD


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AlassŽa Eruvande
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Jan 27 2009, 3:16pm

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No, actually, I never have, now that you mention it! [In reply to] Can't Post

But I wouldn't expect anything less from this crew.

Mostly I'm just looking at the faces, especially when Wiki stabs Frodo. But I think you're right about the Prologue costume being the same as the wraith costume. Makes sense that it should be the same, or at least a degraded version of it.

But you would think Sauron could spring for some new uniforms for his henchmen. Maybe that's what the cloaks are. Sort of like that smock that WalMart employees wear over their regular clothes, in a generic one-size-fits-all.

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Jan 27 2009, 3:31pm

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Good catch on the costumes remaining the same. I think you're right *makes note to add to Observation List*

I know the belts look the same, too. After making one of these costumes for Halloween last year, I know those are consistent. These wraiths look even more raggedy than the black cloaks, imho.

I think these are how the wraiths appear to Frodo when he has the Ring on and is in their world, just as he can see Arwen in her Arda-esque form when he's fading into the wraith world because of his injury.

These are amazing! WELL DONE!!! *still smiling!*


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Jan 27 2009, 4:08pm

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I see a lot of similarity between the first (top) costume and the garb of Celeborn.


annalda
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Jan 27 2009, 6:27pm

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Has anyone compared the nine kings' garb (when they were entirely human- that scene where they have just received their rings) to these photos above? I wonder if the similarity between Celeborn's clothing and theirs is because Men had more to do with the Elves in former times...


simplyaven
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Jan 27 2009, 6:45pm

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I'd have never paid attention to these costumes without this thread, thank you! The attention to detail is absolutely amazing! However, as I look at them it brings shivers to my back. They look quite scary even out of the movie! Of course, it speaks well for the designer and the make up artist. Great job! Even the colour of their clothes complements the colour of their hands - grey-blueish. Mind blowing!

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Cegwyn
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Jan 28 2009, 2:46am

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you could be right. you probably are, in fact. all I know is that right now I want one of those costumes. much cooler than the normal black-robed ringwraith imo.


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weaver
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Jan 29 2009, 1:47am

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It does look like they were going for tattered versions of the earlier outfits, My youngest kid always thought the riders were creepier in their twilight phase, and I'm guessing a lot of the fact that something so "ethereal" got that kind of reaction out of him is how well they grounded the characters in terms of costuming, etc. Amazing what they did for such a brief shot. Thanks as always for shining a spotlight on these outfits!

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Jan 29 2009, 6:48am

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The folds of cloth and the tatters on the Witch-king's robes... [In reply to] Can't Post

... remind me of Galadriel's wraith-costume. Was there an intentional resemblance there? Gimli's words somehow come to mind now: "... an Elf-witch of terrible power..."

Was her portrayal as an Elf-witch supposed to complement the Witch-king? Shocked

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Jan 29 2009, 1:28pm

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I was distracted by their faces, which somehow never looked quite right to me (just odd instead of noble and frightening). It's one of the few things in the films that bothers me.

These costumes are awesome though -- I love all the different textures.

Thanks for pointing them out.



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Loresilme
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Jan 31 2009, 1:35am

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It does look similar to Elvish clothing [In reply to] Can't Post

I took a look at the last screencap of Elrond, Celeborn and Galadriel standing at the Grey Havens ... you can see a similarity in the collar styles and the styling of the shirt front of Elrond and Celeborn, with the twilight Ringwraiths here. Good observation!


Loresilme
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Jan 31 2009, 1:44am

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"We tried to imagine the effect that astral projection in a 4-dimensional time continuum would have on the embroidery here..." [In reply to] Can't Post

hee hee. Just being a fly on the wall at one of their costume design sessions Sly.


Tolkien Forever
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Feb 9 2009, 1:57pm

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The Twilight Ringwraiths are the forms Frodo sees in the Wraith World. Are these the true forms of the old kings or just another disguise?

Well, the text says Frodo is seeing the Nazgul as they truely are right then, in the wraith world. Looking at ther scene, I always thought it was that way. Having not watched it in a while, I don't recall exact dialogue that follows, either proving it (with Gandalf in Rivindell or changed to Arwen or Aragorn), but I certainly don't recall any dialogue that said it was anything other than the Nazgul in the Wraith world - that I know I would not have forgotten (or any PJ bashers, lol).

Did You Ever Notice? is a running look at the detail in LOTR through the costumes and armor. It appears on no particular day and follows no order. You can always find past discussions at my Costume Discussion Archive.



(This post was edited by Tolkien Forever on Feb 9 2009, 2:03pm)

 
 

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