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grammaboodawg
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Apr 9 2007, 9:08am

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Today in Middle-earth.


April 8-9, 3019 (S.R. 1419)
1. The Ring-bearers revisit fair Ithilien [first a little more from the night before]
(not from the appendices)
..."Orcs, and talking trees, and leagues of grass, and galloping riders, and glittering caves, and white towers and golden halls, and battles, and tall ships sailing, all these passed before Sam's mind until he felt bewildered. But amidst all these wonders he returned always to his astonishment at the size of Merry and Pippin; and he made them stand back to back with Frodo and himself. He scratched his head. 'Can't understand it at your age!' he said. 'But there it is: you're three inches taller than you ought to be, or I'm a dwarf.'
...'That you certainly are not,' said Gimli. 'But what did I say? Mortals cannot go drinking ent-draughts and expect no more to come of them than a pot of beer.'
...'Ent-draughts?' said Sam. 'There you go about Ents again; but what they are beats me. Why, it will take weeks before we get all these things sized up!'
...'Weeks indeed,' said Pippin. 'And then Frodo will have to be locked up in a tower in Minas Tirith and write it all down. Otherwise he will forget half of it, and poor old Bilbo will be dreadfully disappointed.'
...At length Gandalf rose. 'The hands of the King are hands of healing, dear friends,' he said. 'But you were to the very brink of death ere he recalled you, putting forth all his power, and sent you into the sweet forgetfulness of sleep. And though you have indeed slept long and blessedly, still it is now time to sleep again.'
...'And not only Sam and Frodo here,' said Gimli, 'but you too, Pippin. I love you, if only because of the pains you have cost me, which I shall never forget... ...And it is only a day yet since you were first up and abroad again. To bed now you go. And so shall I.'
...'And I,' said Legolas, 'shall walk in the woods of the fair land, which is rest enough. In days to come, if any Elven-lord allows, some of our folk shall remove hither; and when we come it shall be blessed, for a while. For a while: a month, a life, a hundred years of Men. But Anduin is near, and Anduin leads down to the Sea. To the Sea...' ...And so singing Legolas went away down the hill."


(April 9)
..."In the morning Sam and Frodo rose again in hope and peace; and they spent many days in Ithilien... ...The hobbits wandered here and there visiting again the places that they had passed before; and Sam hoped always in some shadow of the woods or secret glade to catch, maybe, a glimpse of the great Oliphaunt. And when he learned that at the siege of Gondor there had been a great number of these beasts but that they were all destroyed, he thought it a sad loss.
...'Well, one can't be everywhere at once, I suppose,' he said. 'But I missed a lot, seemingly.'
...In the meanwhile the host made ready for the return to Minas Tirith. The weary rested and the hurt were healed."


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dernwyn
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Apr 9 2007, 11:43am

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from everyone, as Sam makes that comment about the younger Hobbits' height, and Gimli makes that most appropriate response!

After all they've been through, they still keep in mind that Bilbo's back in Rivendell, awaiting their return. I wonder if Frodo groaned inwardly at the thought of needing to take the time to write everything down? But he'd have plenty of willing help.

"I missed a lot, seemingly." Sam, I could just hug you!


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"And when Sam heard that he laughed aloud for shear delight, and he stood up and cried: 'O great glory and splendour! And all my wishes have come true!'"


grammaboodawg
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Apr 9 2007, 2:05pm

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probably very therapeutic for Frodo to write things down... especially since he'd probably see it as a gift for (or keep him close to) Bilbo. But I wonder how much he actually remembers from those darkest days when just his force of will and Sam's fortitude and devotion kept him going? I'm sure he carries a "sense" of what he endured, but actual events and passing of time... I wonder?

I'll bet it was hard for the others NOT to embellish or make things up just to keep Sam torqued!!! He's the ultimate Hobbit. HUG HIM! GO AHEAD ;)


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Morwen
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Apr 10 2007, 12:34am

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What a wonderful meeting that must have been! [In reply to] Can't Post

Those fast friends who never thought they would live to see one another again. I hope Aragorn was able to take at least a little time off from his kingly obligations just to smoke a pipe and visit with his old companions.

This joyful meeting must have had a touch of sorrow for Frodo, so much of his journey would have been too hard to tell. I wonder if he had much to say, although I'm sure it made him happy to hear the tales of the others.

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grammaboodawg
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Apr 10 2007, 1:31am

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I get the impression he didn't start feeling the effects of his ordeal fully until he crossed the Ford at Bruinen as they were returning home. From then on, he seemed to begin feeling the pain and torment again... as Gandalf noted.

So I'm hoping he was able to share and make light with the others... which would certainly have been very healing for him... being put in a hobbity-perspective, so to speak ;)

He deserved some freedom in Middle-earth for a while at least...


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grammaboodawg
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Apr 10 2007, 8:47am

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Today in Middle-earth.


April 10, 2942 (S.R. 1342)
1. Gandalf and Bilbo make their way home.
..."At last they came up the long road, and reached the very pass where the goblins had captured them before. But they came to that high point at morning, and looking backward they saw a white sun shining over the outstretched lands. There behind lay Mirkwood, blue in the distance, and darkly green at the nearer edge even in the spring. There far away was the Lonely Mountain on the edge of eyesight. On its highest peak snow yet unmelted was gleaming pale.
..."So comes snow after fire, and even dragons have their ending!" said Bilbo, and he turned his back on his adventure. The Tookish part was getting very tired, and the Baggins was daily getting stronger. "I wish now only to be in my own arm-chair!" he said."


April 10, 3019 (S.R. 1419)
1. Ithilien becomes a land of rebirth.
(not from the appendices-no text)
...The hobbits recover in Ithilien among the Great Men of the West, the Elves, a Dwarf and a jovial Wizard while Minas Tirith prepares for the Return of the King.
...The resilience of the hobbits amazes those who have witnessed their healing since their rescue little more than three weeks before, but especially since their waking only four days ago. Together again, the hobbits thrive in this fair land.


April 10, 1420 (S.R. 3020)
(not from the appendices-no text)
...Spring in the Shire has always been one of Sam's favourite times of the year, but this year's especially grand as he watches the young trees grow, the flowers bloom and Hobbiton steadily healing from its hurts.


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dernwyn
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Apr 10 2007, 10:50am

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"So comes snow after fire, and even dragons have their ending" - sort of another way to say, all's well as ends better! Once again Bilbo's longing for his own cozy hobbit-hole - but it's different, now: before, these feelings were a response to his not wanting to be dragged around on this adventure; now, it's the desire of a well-deserved homecoming.

Healing and Ithilien: it seemed very appropriate when Howard Shore titled the music that went along with Frodo's awakening, "The Fragrance of Ithilien". Now there's a place I can see Treebeard visiting and saying, "I used to spend a week just breathing"!


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"And when Sam heard that he laughed aloud for shear delight, and he stood up and cried: 'O great glory and splendour! And all my wishes have come true!'"


grammaboodawg
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Apr 10 2007, 2:08pm

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grammaboodawg
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Apr 11 2007, 9:45am

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And so it begins... Today in Middle-earth.


April 11, 3018 (S.R. 1418) The Great Years
1. An evening at the Green Dragon.
(not from the appendices)
..."The conversation in the Green Dragon at Bywater, one evening in the spring of Frodo's fiftieth year, showed that even in the comfortable heart of the Shire rumours had been heard, though most hobbits still laughed at them.
...Sam Gamgee was sitting in one corner near the fire, and opposite him was Ted Sandyman, the miller's son; and there were various other rustic hobbits listening to their talk.
...'Queer things you do hear these days, to be sure,' said Sam.
...'Ah,' said Ted, 'you do, if you listen. But I can hear fireside-tales and children's stories at home, if I want to.'
...'No doubt you can,' retorted Sam, 'and I daresay there's more truth in some of them than you reckon. Who invented the stories anyway? Take dragons now.'
...'No thank 'ee,' said Ted, 'I won't. I heard tell of them when I was a youngster, but there's no call to believe in them now. There's only one Dragon in Bywater, and that's Green,' he said, getting a general laugh.
...'All right,' said Sam, laughing with the rest. 'But what about these Tree-men, these giants, as you might call them? They do say that one bigger than a tree was seen up away beyond the North Moors not long back.'
...'Who's they?'
...'My cousin Hal for one. He works for Mr. Boffin at Overhill and goes up to the Northfarthing for the hunting. He saw one.'
...'Says he did, perhaps. Your Hal's always saying that he's seen things; and maybe he sees things that ain't there.'
...'But this one was as big as an elm tree, and walking---walking seven yards to a stride, if it was an inch.'
...'Then I bet it wasn't an inch. What he saw was an elm tree, as like as not.'
...'But this one was walking, I tell you; and there ain't no elm tree on the North Moors.
...'Then Hal can't have seen one,' said Ted. There was some laughing and clapping: the audience seemed to think that Ted had scored a point.
...'All the same,' said Sam, 'you can't deny that others besides our Halfast have seen queer folk crossing the Shire---crossing it, mind you: there are more that are turned back at the borders. The Bounders have never been so busy before.
...'And I've heard tell that Elves are moving west. They do say they are going to the harbours, out away beyond the White Towers.' Sam waved his arm vaguely; neither he nor any of them knew how far it was to the Sea, past the old towers beyond the western borders of the Shire. But it was an old tradition that away over there stood the Grey Havens, from which at times elven-ships set sail, never to return.
...'They are sailing, sailing, sailing over the Sea, they are going into the West and leaving us,' said Sam, half chanting the words, shaking his head sadly and solemnly. But Ted laughed.
...'Well, that isn't anything new, if you believe the old tales. And I don't see what it matters to me or you. Let them sail! But I warrant you haven't seen them doing it; nor any one else in the Shire.'
...'Well, I don't know,' said Sam thoughtfully. He believed he had once seen an Elf in the woods, and still hoped to see more one day. Of all the legends that he had heard in his early years such fragments of tales and half-remembered stories about the Elves as the hobbits knew had always moved him most deeply. 'There are some even in these parts, as know the Fair Folk and get news of them,' he said. 'There's Mr. Baggins now, that I work for. He told me that they were sailing, and he knows a bit about Elves. And old Mr. Bilbo knew more: many's the talk I had with him when I was a little lad.'
...'Oh, they're both cracked,' said Ted. 'Leastways old Bilbo was cracked, and Frodo's cracking. If that's where you get you news from, you'll never want for moonshine. Well, friends, I'm off home. Your good health!' He drained his mug and went out noisily.
Sam sat silent and said no more. He had a good deal to think about. For one thing, there was a lot to do up in the Bag End garden, and he would have a busy day tomorrow, if the weather cleared. The grass was growing fast. But Sam had more on his mind than gardening. After a while he sighed, and got up and went out.

......that evening, as Sam was walking home and twilight was fading, there came the once familiar tap on the study window.
...Frodo welcomed his old friend with surprise and great delight. They looked hard at one another.
...'All well, eh?' said Gandalf. 'You look the same as ever, Frodo!'
...'So do you,' Frodo replied; but secretly he thought that Gandalf looked older and more careworn. He pressed him for news of himself and of the wide world, and soon they were deep in talk, and they stayed up far into the night."


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dernwyn
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Apr 11 2007, 10:59am

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Now, why does Ted Sandyman remind me of that critic, Bryan Appleyard...

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And then there's Sam, who loved Elves so dearly, that he believed he had seen one! He might not have, it might have been a trick of shadows; but then again...

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Well met

It was a fine evening, with the stars just appearing in a clear sky as he hurried along on his errand.

Suddenly he was aware of a nearby rustle: the soft footfalls of a wooly-footed Hobbit, a youth perhaps. Usually he would step into the concealing shadows, but strangely he felt no urge to hide. He could sense that this mortal was - different.

A Hobbit-child strolled out of a nearby thicket, saw him, and stopped, slack-jawed, eyes wide. The Elf smiled. “Good evening, little master,” said Galdor, then continued on his way, leaving the wondering youth in awe.

Wink


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"And when Sam heard that he laughed aloud for shear delight, and he stood up and cried: 'O great glory and splendour! And all my wishes have come true!'"


Morwen
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Apr 11 2007, 12:44pm

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He must have dreaded making that last test of the Ring, and dreaded even more sharing what he knew with his old friend. This wouldn't have been an easy visit to the Shire for him. I expect he thought hard and long on the journey to Bag End how best to help Frodo if the fire test proved what he must have known it would.

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grammaboodawg
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Apr 11 2007, 2:24pm

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that Sam remember the stories Bilbo told when he was younger, but didn't continue as he got older? As enchanted as Sam was, don't you think he would have encouraged Bilbo (who LOVES to tell stories) to repeat or tell more? I wonder if the Gaffer (who probably still worked for Bilbo) said something to him about putting things in Sam's head that weren't proper for him to clutter his mind with?

hmmmmm....


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grammaboodawg
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Apr 11 2007, 2:28pm

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He had to be shocked by the uncanny coincidence that the major key to his ongoing battle with Sauron's power was right there in his beloved Shire held by his good friends. I'm sure he knew he could be straight with Frodo... as he eventually was; but how to get the information he needed without causing undo alarm must have been something he puzzled with as he made his way to Bag End.

Good point, Morwen! *knits brow with further contemplation*


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Morwen
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Apr 11 2007, 2:30pm

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Sam was simply embarrassed to admit to the crowd in the pub that, even as a grown hobbit, he still loved to hear Bilbo's stories. It doesn't surprise me at all that he remembered the stories he heard when he was younger. My teenage nephews often surprise by reminding me of some story or bit of information I told them when they were much younger, and that I since completely forgot. Children remember more than we think.

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grammaboodawg
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Apr 11 2007, 4:10pm

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Sam may be hesitant... especially with Sandyman around. What appeals to me is that those seeds Bilbo planted in Sam's imagination grew to be a reality so strong that it armed him for what was to come! Things happen for a reason.

I've been busted more than a few times with what my kids and grandkiddies remember from their youth. Humbled me oftener than I care to admit ;)


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Cirdan the Shipwright
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you haven't aged beyond your sell-by date!" (Sorry, still reveling in "Lord of the Peeps.")


dernwyn
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Apr 12 2007, 2:58am

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spent the evening talking about all sorts of things in the world, up to the point of discussing the Ring - saving that for daylight! Gandalf was preparing him, letting him sleep on what he'd learned about the goings-on in the world, before having to deal with whatever the test revealed.

Yes, it must have been with a very heavy heart that he knocked on Frodo's window!


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"And when Sam heard that he laughed aloud for shear delight, and he stood up and cried: 'O great glory and splendour! And all my wishes have come true!'"


grammaboodawg
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Apr 12 2007, 8:40am

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Today in Middle-earth.


As April 12th is a date of importance, I'm going to spread it out over the next few days, including a day or so afterwards... for a moment (and more) of Tolkien-zen.

April 12, 3018 (S.R. 1418) The Great Years pt. 1
1. Gandalf reaches Hobbiton.
(from the appendices)
..."...after a late breakfast, the wizard was sitting with Frodo by the open window of the study. A bright fire was on the hearth, but the sun was warm...
...Gandalf was thinking of a Spring, nearly eighty years before, when Bilbo had run out of Bag End without a handkerchief.... ...He was smoking now in silence, for Frodo was sitting still, deep in thought. Even in the light of morning he felt the dark shadow of the tidings that Gandalf had brought. At last he broke the silence.
...'Last night you began to tell me strange things about my ring, Gandalf,' he said. 'And then you stopped, because you said that such matters were best left until daylight. Don't you think you had better finish now? You say the ring is dangerous, far more dangerous that I guess. In what way?'
...'In many ways,' answered the wizard. 'It is far more powerful than I ever dared to think at first, so powerful that in the end it would utterly overcome anyone of mortal race who possessed it. It would possess him....'
...'A mortal, Frodo, who keeps one of the Great Rings, does not die, but he does not grow or obtain more life, he merely continues, until at last every minute is a weariness. And if he often uses the Ring to make himself invisible, he fades: he becomes in the end invisible permanently, and walks in the twilight under the eye of the dark power that rules the Rings. Yes, sooner or later—later, if he is strong or well-meaning to begin with, but neither strength nor good purpose will last—sooner or later the dark power will devour him.'
...'How terrifying!' said Frodo. There was another long silence. The sound of Sam Gamgee cutting the lawn came in from the garden.

...'...You do not know the real peril yet,' said Gandalf; 'but you shall. I was not sure of it myself when I was last here; but the time has come to speak. Give me the ring for a moment.'
...Frodo took it from his breeches-pocket, where it was clasped to a chain that hung from his belt. He unfastened it and handed it slowly to the wizard. It felt suddenly very heavy, as if either it or Frodo himself was in some way reluctant for Gandalf to touch it.
...Gandalf held it up. It looked to be made of pure and solid gold. 'Can you see any markings on it?' he asked.
...'No,' said Frodo. 'There are none. It is quite plain, and it never shows a scratch or sign of wear.'
...'Well then, look!' To Frodo's astonishment and distress the wizard threw it suddenly into the middle of the glowing corner of the fire. Frodo gave a cry and groped for the tongs; but Gandalf held him back.
...'Wait!' he said in a commanding voice, giving Frodo a quick look from under his bristling brows.
...No apparent change came over the ring. After a while, Gandalf got up, closed the shutters outside the window, and drew the curtains. The room became dark and silent though the clack of Sam's shears, now nearer to the windows, could still be heard faintly from the garden. For a moment the wizard stood looking at the fire; then he stooped and removed the ring to the hearth with the tongs and at once picked it up. Frodo gasped.
...'It is quite cool,' said Gandalf. 'Take it!' Frodo received it on his shrinking palm: it seemed to have become thicker and heavier than ever.
...'Hold it up!' said Gandalf. 'And look closely!' As Frodo did so, he now saw fine lines, finer than the finest penstrokes, running along the ring, outside and inside: lines of fire that seemed to form the letters of a flowing script. They shone piercingly bright, and yet remote, as if out of a great depth.

...'I cannot read the firey letter,' said Frodo in a quavering voice.
...'No,' said Gandalf,' but I can. The letters are Elvish, of an ancient mode, but the language is that of Mordor, which I will not utter here. But this in the Common Tongue is what is said, close enough:

One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.



...It is only two lines of a verse long known in Elven-lore:

Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them,
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.



...He paused, and then said slowly in a deep voice: 'This is the Master-ring, the One Ring to rule them all. This is the One Ring that he lost many ages ago, to the great weakening of his power. He greatly desires it—-but he must not get it.'


...Frodo sat silent and motionless. Fear seemed to stretch out a vast hand, like a dark cloud rising in the East and looming up to engulf him. 'This ring!' he stammered. 'How, how on earth did it come to me?'"


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Apr 12 2007, 8:49am

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Apr 12 2007, 11:43am

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At that point, it has not yet really hit Frodo that he is the one in danger of being "possessed" - but we can see it, in the way the Ring seems to be changing, physically, and acquiring animate characteristics, such as "reluctant".

When I read this now, I hear Ian McKellan's Gandalf saying the words, and they seem to have even greater impact!

What d'you want to bet, that as soon as Gandalf shut the windows, Sam made a point of moving close enough to pick up their words...


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Morwen
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Apr 12 2007, 2:22pm

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No apparent change came over the ring. After a while, Gandalf got up, closed the shutters outside the window, and drew the curtains. The room became dark and silent though the clack of Sam's shears, now nearer to the windows, could still be heard faintly from the garden. For a moment the wizard stood looking at the fire; then he stooped and removed the ring to the hearth with the tongs and at once picked it up.


This part gives me a bit of a shiver. When Gandalf closes the curtains, it seems that whole story, as well as Frodo's little room, darkens. We have left the carefree life of hobbit birthday parties and quarrels over silver spoons for something darker and deeper.

I remember wondering about Frodo's behavior on my first reading. Why was he so reluctant to hand the Ring to his trusted friend? Why did it disturb him so much to see it thrown in the fire? Clues to everything that will come to pass in the whole story are hidden in this chapter, and we start to see them before we even get to the fiery letters.

And closing the curtains certainly was a clue to Sam. Gandalf might as well have hung a sign out of the window, telling him it was time to put down the shears and pay attention!

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Apr 12 2007, 6:48pm

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If he was dropping them eaves!

I can hear his voice, too... perfect!

Probably Frodo was thinking you literally had to be wearing or using the Ring to be at risk, so he immediately worried for his beloved Bilbo. We do know... don't we... that the Ring doesn't need physical contact. Poor Boromir could tell us all about that.


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Apr 12 2007, 6:52pm

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to close the window up except to block Sam... he was the only one in proximity ;)

I reacted exactly the same way you did when Frodo was reluctant to share the Ring. Talking about it was fine... but giving possession to someone else was something else... to both Frodo and the Ring, but I think moreso the Ring.

This is THE chapter to re-read after finishing the journey. It ooozes with info and foreboding. Isn't it amazing how this corresponds with their waking from their ordeal? Bookends.


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dernwyn
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Apr 13 2007, 1:43am

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The darkening room, the darkening of Frodo's life, the darkening of the story: yes!

And add to Frodo's - and the Ring's - behavior, here, an earlier statement: "But Sam had more on his mind than gardening." All these little portents!

Gandalf doing the equivalent of hanging out a sign - that makes me think, that he may have done that deliberately, hoping that Sam would involve himself, so that no matter what the outcome was, Frodo would not be alone!


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grammaboodawg
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Apr 13 2007, 8:40am

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TIME - April 12 pt.2 [In reply to] Can't Post

Yep... still stuck on the discussion in Bag End as the Book Spoilers continue... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

April 12, 3018 (S.R. 1418) (continued) pt. 2
1. Gandalf and Frodo at Bag End.
(from the appendices)
..."'A Ring of Power looks after itself, Frodo. It may slip off treacherously, but its keeper never abandons it. At most he plays with the idea of handing it on to some one else's care—and that only at an early stage, when it first begins to grip. But as far as I know Bilbo alone in history has ever gone beyond playing, and really done it. He needed all my help, too. And even so he would never have just forsaken it, or cast it aside. It was not Gollum, Frodo, but the Ring itself that decided things. The Ring left him.'
...'What, just in time to meet Bilbo?' said Frodo. 'Wouldn't an Orc have suited it better?'
...'It is no laughing matter,' said Gandalf. 'Not for you. It was the strangest event in the whole history of the Ring so far: Bilbo's arrival just at that time, and putting his hand on it, blindly, in the dark.
...'There was more than one power at work, Frodo. The Ring was trying to get back to its master. It had slipped from Isildur's hand and betrayed him; then when a chance came it caught poor Déagol, and he was murdered; and after that Gollum, and it had devoured him. It could make no further use of him: he was too small and mean; and as long as it stayed with him he would never leave his deep pool again. So now, when its master was awake once more and sending out his dark thought from Mirkwood, it abandoned Gollum. Only to be picked up by the most unlikely person imaginable: Bilbo from the Shire!
...'Behind that there was something else at work, beyond any design of the Ring-maker. I can put it no plainer than by saying that Bilbo was meant to find the Ring, and not by its maker. In which case you also were meant to have it. And that may be an encouraging thought.'
'It is not,' said Frodo. 'Though I am not sure that I understand you. But how have you learned all this about the Ring, and about Gollum? Do you really know it all, or are you just guessing still?'
...Gandalf looked at Frodo, and his eyes glinted. 'I knew much and I have learned much,' he answered. 'But I am not going to give an account of all my doings to you. The history of Elendil and Isildur and the One Ring is known to all the Wise. Your ring is shown to be that One Ring by the fire-writing alone, apart from any other evidence.'
...'And when did you discover that?' asked Frodo, interrupting.
...'Just now in this room, of course,' answered the wizard sharply. 'But I expected to find it. I have come back from dark journeys and long search to make that final test. It is the last proof, and all is now only too clear. Making out Gollum's part, and fitting it into the gap in the history, required some thought. I may have started with guesses about Gollum, but I am not guessing now.'
...A heavy silence fell in the room. Frodo could hear his heart beating. Even outside everything seemed still. No sound of Sam's shears could now be heard.
...'Yes, to Mordor,' said Gandalf. 'Alas! Mordor draws all wicked things, and the Dark Power was bending all its will to gather them there. The Ring of the Enemy would leave its mark, too, leave him open to the summons. And all folk were whispering then of the new Shadow in the South, and its hatred of the West. There were his fine new friends, who would help him in his revenge!
...'Wretched fool! In that land he would learn much, too much for his comfort. And sooner or later as he lurked and pried on the borders he would be caught, and taken—for examination. That was the way of it, I fear. When he was found he had already been there long, and was on his way back. On some errand of mischief. But that does not matter much now. His worst mischief was done.
...'Yes, alas! through him the Enemy has learned that the One has been found again. He knows where Isildur fell. He knows where Gollum found his ring. He knows that it is a Great Ring, for it gave long life. He knows that it is not one of the Three, for they have never been lost, and they endure no evil. He knows that it is not one of the Seven or the Nine, for they are accounted for. He knows that it is the One. And he has at last heard, I think, of hobbits and the Shire.
...'The Shire—he may be seeking for it now, if he as not already found out where it lies. Indeed, Frodo, I fear that he may even think that the long-unnoticed name of Baggins has become important.'"

I will stop here for Advising Elf's excellent post has covered this and will cover the next from his hints and promises. BUT stay tuned as more of April 12th's events continue tomorrow...


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