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Gandalf's sexuality? McKellen's comments

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Lorien


Jan 8 2009, 3:37am


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in the recent TORN news item, Ian McKellen says that:



"Though, of course, there is confusion because Rowling has announced that Dumbledore's gay, hasn't she? So maybe that's the confusion. Of course, whether Gandalf's gay is another matter. His wife was never mentioned and he's 7000 years old. He must have had some experience of sex."


I think McKellen was probably just joking around (the same way they do about Pipe-weed....guys, Tolkien flat out said its "tobacco". There is no debate)


Nonetheless, I'd like to briefly articulate this: given that Gandalf is not actually a "Man", but essentially an Angel that has descended into human form (a Maia spirit, servant of the Valar ( Archangels) and the Secret Fire of Eru (God). As an immortal Angel, I do not really think he has any sexual preference at all: I don't think he's "gay" or "straight" and I think it would be odd even to mention Gandalf being romantically involved with a woman.

Then again, for the sake of argument, I think about how the Ainur are defined by Tolkien (Valar are the greater Ainur, there are 14 of them, and the Maiar are the lesser Ainur, of whom there are dozens or hundreds, possibly) --> Tolkien says that the Ainur have no physical form inherently but can take up a physical form if they want to, like an Angel appearing to humans in the Bible, etc. But according to Tolkien, the Ainur still have an inherent "gender"; even without physical bodies, they still have a "male temperament" or a "female temperment". He said to think of it like how a person is still "male" even if they take their clothes off, and in the Ainur's case the clothes are their physical appearance.

Now, some Ainur actually exist in apparently romantic relationships with other Ainur; Manwe is the mate of Varda, Aule the mate of Yavanna. Some Ainur choose to live alone, as is the case with Ulmo. Ainur cannot reproduce. As angelic spirits, we might not even be intended to think of them in such terms as a "race" and its possible that while some are "paired" perhaps romantically, "sex" does not exist among them. I don't even think the term "romantic relationships" might even be able to be applied to such "pairings" (though Varda spurned Melkor...)

****Then again, Melian WAS able to reproduce with Thingol to produce Luthien....so.....yeah.....well that was with an actual Elf, not with another "angelic spirit". Only Eru can make more Ainur spirits, I think.

****Now, McKellen is right in his figure that Gandalf is "7,000 years old" but with a bit of a nuance: firstly, the "Years of the Sun" are 7,000 years, but the "Ages of the Stars" went on for several millenia before that, maybe 17,000 to 27,000 years (depending on what numbering system from Tolkien's drafts you use). Still, Galadriel is "over 7,000" because we know she was born AFTER the Elves came to Valinor but BEFORE the Noldor left, immediately before the first rising of the Sun.

The point though, is that there may be a difference between "Gandalf the Wizard" and "Olorin the Maia spirit". The Maia spirit, "Olorin" was created at the dawn of time by Eru (God) before the creation of the world itself, as an angelic spirit (thus as a "child of the mind of God" Radagast can still be his "cousin", in the sense of "kinsman", etc....)

Anyway, "Olorin" became a wizard 2,000 years ago, Third Age ~1,000, becoming "Gandalf"

before this, "Olorin" was just a spirit; he could apear in visions as a human but it's like Clarence from It's a Wonderful Life or something. Actually, Tolkien said he most often went without physical body, diving into the hearts of people to fill them with wisdom and courage, etc.

But as "Gandalf" he was not only "visible", by grant of the Valar, the Wizards were embued with actual, physical bodies of aged Men (as a sign of their Humility)

So I think that in terms of "sexuality", "Olorin the angelic spirit who possesses a male temperament and is often disembodied" and "Gandalf, the angel who has descended into human form and lived as a Man for 2,000 years" may be facing two different sets of circumstances.

I really don't think Olorin the spirit actually had a "sexuality" of any kind; I don't know if we can think of the Ainur in such concepts. They do have apparently "intellectual" "pairings", but Olorin is said to be alone.

As for "Gandalf, the Maia descended into human form, experiencing life's sensations through a human body"......he *may* have had a "sexuality" given that he was subject to human sensations, but I kind of doubt it. I don't even think of him as having relationships with women; I think of him as almost like a holy priest of some religion, removed from Earthly things. Then again he's in part based on the pagan Odin, who was married. But no, he's really a catholic "angel" descended to human form.

Did Gandalf "love"? Of course he loved; he loves all things in Middle-earth and wants to help all that is Good. But I think, basically, that it was a...well, "Grandfatherly" kind of love.

***Further, moreso than any other wizard Gandalf was a "wanderer" so I doubt he could maintain stable relationships for long with anyone.

****moreover, he may have seen any such attachment as being too "bound" to one thing and distracting from his mission (like Radagast the Fool! and his birds).....then again, Gandalf still managed to be quite "attached" to the Baggins family, and he did wander alot but it didn't stop him from visiting often and maintaining a friendship for decades....so maybe his wandering wouldn't get in the way nor would he consider it major impediment to romantic relationship.

****but this is all conjecture. Seriously, I personally always thought it was wrong to even think of Gandalf having relationships with women. I think it would be equally wrong to think of him having relationships with men as to having them with women; he's a grandfatherly figure and I don't know if, even in a human body, he thought in such terms. I mean I think of him as this holy warrior, celibate priest kind of figure (Tolkien probably would have meant "priest" in the catholic sense, I use it hear in generic reference to many world religions).

but it's a conundrum. on the one hand you think of him as above such "earthly things" and at the same time, he sits around smoking tobacco with hobbits in the Shire, or telling Bilbo to make sure that he gets his preferred meal of chicken and pickles (or was it tomatoes? no....pretty sure it was pickles)

So he's not just an "angel that happens to be appearing to someone but has no tangible form" (a la Nicholas Cage in "City of Angels") he has a physical body and physical quirks.

Nonetheless, I always just saw him as an asexual, grandfatherly character. I'd think it equaly wrong to say "maybe Gandalf was a homosexual" as much as "haha, maybe Gandalf had torrid love affairds with *women* all across Middle-earth".....I really don't think it's in his character to be either. He's an angel.

Dumbledore, on the other hand, is as much a mortal man as Harry Potter; like Harry he started out as a boy in our world then finds our more about the magical Hogwarts world that overlaps with it. But there is no reason not for him to be gay, structurally within the plot.

For that matter, given that he never married, I wouldn't really react to them saying that virtually any other character in the story is gay; Legolas never married: could he be a homosexual? Possibly, in the sense that I see no direct evidence against it. Or even Beorn or Thorin or someone else who never married.

But Gandalf and the wizards are basically "Angels" and in that sense, I think that it might be wrong to even think of them as "straight" if you follow my meaning.

This is confusing and I have not reached a definitive answer; at the least, I don't think Tolkien deliberated on this.

Thus, I really don't know,.

However, I will say that even before McKellen was cast in the live-action films, when just meeting other book fans in the mid-1990's, I'd actually react very strongly to those that said "haha, Gandalf was probably a lady's man in his youth", as becaues he was really an "Angelic spirit" I didn't think he would behave in such terms.

"Pleased to meet you, hope you guessed my name, but what's puzzling you, is the nature of my game"


Formerly known on TORN as "Draug the Unspeakably Violent"


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Gandalf's sexuality? McKellen's comments _V_ Send a private message to _V_ Jan 8 2009, 3:37am
    remeniscent of the "Doctor Who" controversy _V_ Send a private message to _V_ Jan 8 2009, 3:48am
    I find it amusing Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jan 8 2009, 4:07am
        I think there are 2 main points here: Compa_Mighty Send a private message to Compa_Mighty Jan 8 2009, 9:01pm
            As for Dumbledore, Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jan 8 2009, 9:25pm
                mmm ok... Compa_Mighty Send a private message to Compa_Mighty Jan 8 2009, 9:34pm
                    Whoops, Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jan 8 2009, 9:42pm
                        I agree entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jan 9 2009, 1:07am
                        Don't worry! Compa_Mighty Send a private message to Compa_Mighty Jan 9 2009, 1:24am
    Gandalf? Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jan 8 2009, 4:12am
        'Hmms' again Ufthak Send a private message to Ufthak Jan 11 2009, 11:05pm
            In A Fantasy World..... Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jan 13 2009, 5:31pm
                So... Ufthak Send a private message to Ufthak Jan 13 2009, 7:02pm
                    Having Read Harry Potter Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jan 13 2009, 8:27pm
                        Well Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Jan 13 2009, 8:38pm
                            I agree. Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Jan 15 2009, 9:45pm
                        Actually, Dumbledore's previous entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jan 13 2009, 8:39pm
                            There's a discussion here Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jan 13 2009, 8:50pm
                                Yes - better in Off Topic entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jan 13 2009, 9:06pm
                            Having Not Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jan 13 2009, 8:54pm
                                Actually Rivendweller Send a private message to Rivendweller Jan 19 2009, 12:53am
                        With regard to being 'exposed to sex' Ufthak Send a private message to Ufthak Jan 13 2009, 11:26pm
                            I'm quietly nodding along with you Ufthak Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Jan 13 2009, 11:58pm
                                I totally agree... Jettorex Send a private message to Jettorex Jan 14 2009, 3:34pm
                                    I'm with you simplyaven Send a private message to simplyaven Jan 14 2009, 3:44pm
                                        I don't think Rowling entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jan 14 2009, 4:03pm
                                            I shared my opinion simplyaven Send a private message to simplyaven Jan 14 2009, 4:46pm
                                                Oh, for crying out loud Kyriel Send a private message to Kyriel Jan 15 2009, 12:00am
                                                    I'm giving you a break simplyaven Send a private message to simplyaven Jan 15 2009, 2:23am
                                                        Hm Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Jan 15 2009, 7:23am
                                                            There is no bad advertising simplyaven Send a private message to simplyaven Jan 15 2009, 2:26pm
                                                                Advertising Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Jan 15 2009, 4:05pm
                                        this is something we had an animated discussion on at my school last week Annael Send a private message to Annael Jan 14 2009, 4:35pm
                                            There is a difference between raising barriers... simplyaven Send a private message to simplyaven Jan 14 2009, 4:56pm
                                                I think we're talking about different things Annael Send a private message to Annael Jan 14 2009, 5:15pm
                                                    We are definitely talking about different things simplyaven Send a private message to simplyaven Jan 14 2009, 5:25pm
                                                        Didn't Tolkien do the same thing Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Jan 14 2009, 5:35pm
                                                            I really don't think these two can be compared simplyaven Send a private message to simplyaven Jan 14 2009, 5:40pm
                                                                I think she delayed entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jan 14 2009, 6:29pm
                                                                    It still doesn't explain... simplyaven Send a private message to simplyaven Jan 14 2009, 6:42pm
                                                                        I don't agree entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jan 14 2009, 6:52pm
                                                                            So, it wasn't important for the story... simplyaven Send a private message to simplyaven Jan 14 2009, 7:01pm
                                                                Well Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Jan 14 2009, 6:33pm
                                                                    Arwen and Aragorn's relationship... simplyaven Send a private message to simplyaven Jan 14 2009, 6:56pm
                                                                        Me, for what it's worth. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jan 14 2009, 7:00pm
                                                                            Well, now I know one :) // simplyaven Send a private message to simplyaven Jan 14 2009, 7:03pm
                                                                                Two, in fact ;) Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Jan 15 2009, 7:32am
                                                                                    Make that three. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Jan 15 2009, 11:59am
                                                                                        I have a friend who swears Aragorn married Eowyn in the book. Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Jan 15 2009, 10:27pm
                                                                            I missed Eowyn as Dernhelm entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jan 14 2009, 7:06pm
                                                                            Me too. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jan 14 2009, 7:23pm
                                                                                Turns out, AlassŽa Eruvande Send a private message to AlassŽa Eruvande Jan 15 2009, 1:52pm
                                                                    Me! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jan 14 2009, 7:10pm
                                                        hmm Annael Send a private message to Annael Jan 14 2009, 6:14pm
                                                            The word "force" ... simplyaven Send a private message to simplyaven Jan 14 2009, 6:37pm
                                                                I accept your correction Annael Send a private message to Annael Jan 14 2009, 10:18pm
                                                                    The thing about homophobes is Ufthak Send a private message to Ufthak Jan 14 2009, 11:30pm
                                                                        lol // Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Jan 14 2009, 11:39pm
                                                                    You're right simplyaven Send a private message to simplyaven Jan 15 2009, 2:27am
                                            of course... Jettorex Send a private message to Jettorex Jan 14 2009, 5:22pm
                                                Knowing about relationships entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jan 14 2009, 6:33pm
                                            Well Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jan 14 2009, 7:01pm
                                    Children learn from others. entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jan 14 2009, 4:07pm
                                        my impression.. Jettorex Send a private message to Jettorex Jan 14 2009, 4:43pm
                                            As Ufthak said earlier entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jan 14 2009, 6:38pm
                                                But they do... Jettorex Send a private message to Jettorex Jan 14 2009, 7:23pm
                                                    So if they do entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jan 14 2009, 7:38pm
                                                        It has nothing to do... Jettorex Send a private message to Jettorex Jan 14 2009, 7:57pm
                                                            Rowling didn't bring up entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jan 14 2009, 8:07pm
                                                                OK... Jettorex Send a private message to Jettorex Jan 14 2009, 9:28pm
                                                                    Rowling is responsible for that? entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jan 14 2009, 9:32pm
                                                                        May be if you point another ... simplyaven Send a private message to simplyaven Jan 14 2009, 9:50pm
                                                                        Entmaiden, respectively... Jettorex Send a private message to Jettorex Jan 14 2009, 9:59pm
                                                                    You're still missing the point Kyriel Send a private message to Kyriel Jan 15 2009, 12:15am
                                                                        I understand that... Jettorex Send a private message to Jettorex Jan 15 2009, 2:52pm
                                                                            so I wonder Annael Send a private message to Annael Jan 15 2009, 3:28pm
                                                                                as I said before... Jettorex Send a private message to Jettorex Jan 15 2009, 3:32pm
                                                                                    Unlikely that children under 8 are reading Harry Potter entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jan 15 2009, 3:47pm
                                                                                        Just want to say Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Jan 15 2009, 4:11pm
                                                                                            Thanks! entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jan 15 2009, 4:14pm
                                                                                                That's what I love about TORn Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Jan 15 2009, 4:29pm
                                                                                                I'm flashing back seven years Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Jan 15 2009, 10:35pm
                                                                                                    That's what I am wondering often Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Jan 16 2009, 6:25am
                                                                                    I just had a thought Annael Send a private message to Annael Jan 15 2009, 8:47pm
                                                                                        I would probably start to wonder Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Jan 15 2009, 9:08pm
                                                                        I am just going... Jettorex Send a private message to Jettorex Jan 15 2009, 3:37pm
                                                    as someone who used to work an elementary school lunch room... Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Jan 14 2009, 8:38pm
                                                        I understand... Jettorex Send a private message to Jettorex Jan 14 2009, 9:38pm
                                                            well... there's just different forms of communication Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Jan 14 2009, 11:38pm
                                                                What you speak of here Magpie silneldor Send a private message to silneldor Jan 15 2009, 1:03am
                                                                Thanks Magpie Jettorex Send a private message to Jettorex Jan 15 2009, 2:45pm
                                                    Yep Eowyn of Penns Woods Send a private message to Eowyn of Penns Woods Jan 14 2009, 9:32pm
                                Beautifully said, Magpie. Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Jan 15 2009, 9:51pm
                            one comment, not entirely on the subject Annael Send a private message to Annael Jan 14 2009, 1:58am
                                You're right Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Jan 15 2009, 4:23pm
    Thoughts Earl Send a private message to Earl Jan 8 2009, 7:58am
        I tend to agree sador Send a private message to sador Jan 8 2009, 10:16am
        he could have had relations with Elves, solving the "daughter" problem a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jan 8 2009, 11:18am
            Good point. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jan 8 2009, 9:28pm
            I'm inclined to agree with you on that count... Earl Send a private message to Earl Jan 9 2009, 6:24am
    Interesting post Jazmine Send a private message to Jazmine Jan 8 2009, 12:27pm
        o i know its possible weathertop Send a private message to weathertop Jan 8 2009, 6:50pm
            Half-Elves are not a distinct race _V_ Send a private message to _V_ Jan 8 2009, 7:48pm
    I beleive concerning the Istari... Jettorex Send a private message to Jettorex Jan 8 2009, 2:58pm
    I agree with you V... Child of Manwe Send a private message to Child of Manwe Jan 8 2009, 3:18pm
    He got tired of such questions, IMHO. simplyaven Send a private message to simplyaven Jan 8 2009, 8:47pm
    Yet Saruman clearly had sex squire Send a private message to squire Jan 8 2009, 11:37pm
    Wow, what a post Glaurung63 Send a private message to Glaurung63 Jan 9 2009, 12:44am
        The Last Temptation of Olůrin? // N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jan 9 2009, 5:17am
    Why not? Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jan 9 2009, 10:16pm
        I don't know about "hunky" squire Send a private message to squire Jan 10 2009, 12:08am
            you certainly have a way with photos... weaver Send a private message to weaver Jan 10 2009, 12:50am
            Ew. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jan 10 2009, 1:02am
            *grabs bottle of bleach, dumps directly into eyes* / Kyriel Send a private message to Kyriel Jan 10 2009, 1:03am
                Gandalf is not gay.... LordotRings93 Send a private message to LordotRings93 Jan 10 2009, 1:32am
                    BTW, Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jan 10 2009, 2:24am
                    Umm Ufthak Send a private message to Ufthak Jan 10 2009, 11:38am
                        tsk tsk *wags finger* Earl Send a private message to Earl Jan 10 2009, 12:09pm
                        *mods up* Kyriel Send a private message to Kyriel Jan 10 2009, 2:45pm
                            *thumbs up* Ufthak Send a private message to Ufthak Jan 10 2009, 5:25pm
                                Don't disappear! Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Jan 15 2009, 10:11pm
                            nice turn of phrase there, Kyriel! Thanks, BTW. // a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jan 10 2009, 8:03pm
                        And an excellent thought, well said // Starling Send a private message to Starling Jan 10 2009, 8:13pm
                    Lots of people in LOTR are gay. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jan 14 2009, 9:40pm
                        Of course Merry is gay. I don't need a a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jan 14 2009, 9:51pm
                            If I knew how to do those little smiley animations Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Jan 16 2009, 5:09pm
                        Oh gosh Starling Send a private message to Starling Jan 15 2009, 8:36am
                            It gets worse... dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jan 15 2009, 12:01pm
                                *ROTFL* Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Jan 15 2009, 12:22pm
                                *hee!* Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Jan 15 2009, 10:28pm
                        Darkstone, you are a treasure :-D // Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Jan 15 2009, 10:21pm
            *LOL* Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Jan 10 2009, 8:26am
            *runs into the sunset screaming* MY EYES... MY EYES // Earl Send a private message to Earl Jan 10 2009, 12:23pm
            Re: hunky Farawyn Send a private message to Farawyn Jan 10 2009, 6:30pm
            silneldor has competition, I see!!! a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jan 10 2009, 8:38pm
                It's one of the outfits Starling Send a private message to Starling Jan 10 2009, 9:14pm
                    it's for REAL??? Oh, I am so hopelessly out of touch. a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jan 10 2009, 10:54pm
                        You must be thrilled Starling Send a private message to Starling Jan 11 2009, 1:08am
                            "thrilled" would not be the word I would use. a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jan 11 2009, 6:52pm
                                Choose one... squire Send a private message to squire Jan 11 2009, 7:14pm
                                    I am shocked that aghast is a synonym for nauseated! a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jan 11 2009, 10:12pm
                That's where my mind went too :-D // Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Jan 15 2009, 9:15pm
            wheres.. Jettorex Send a private message to Jettorex Jan 13 2009, 4:25pm
        . NorskGudTor Send a private message to NorskGudTor Jan 10 2009, 4:00am
            Yep... Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jan 10 2009, 4:53am
            I like topics like this. Farawyn Send a private message to Farawyn Jan 10 2009, 6:41pm
            your opinion is welcome too ElanorTX Send a private message to ElanorTX Jan 12 2009, 7:34pm
                ......... hehe NorskGudTor Send a private message to NorskGudTor Jan 12 2009, 8:39pm
                    ! squire Send a private message to squire Jan 12 2009, 11:18pm
                    Here's what it looks like Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Jan 12 2009, 11:27pm
                        Explained NorskGudTor Send a private message to NorskGudTor Jan 12 2009, 11:32pm
                            Thank you! // N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jan 12 2009, 11:39pm
                            It is a bit different here Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Jan 12 2009, 11:40pm
                            Well done! AlassŽa Eruvande Send a private message to AlassŽa Eruvande Jan 12 2009, 11:42pm
                            Hi NorskGudTor Jettorex Send a private message to Jettorex Jan 13 2009, 4:23pm
        Hey!! Welcome to Valinor!! a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jan 10 2009, 11:38pm
        I think we might be looking at this the wrong way Milady Send a private message to Milady Jan 13 2009, 1:13pm
            If you want to publicise your dad sador Send a private message to sador Jan 13 2009, 1:37pm
                Interesting Milady Send a private message to Milady Jan 13 2009, 6:36pm
                A! O! Yeah, Luthien, BAby! squire Send a private message to squire Jan 13 2009, 11:24pm
                    Good gravy... Ufthak Send a private message to Ufthak Jan 13 2009, 11:26pm
                        Reminds Me of..... Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jan 13 2009, 11:38pm
                            Dead on! squire Send a private message to squire Jan 14 2009, 12:41am
                                How about...... Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jan 14 2009, 1:16am
                                who is that man and why is he wearing my living room drapes? // a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jan 14 2009, 1:30am
                                    and where are his pants?// weaver Send a private message to weaver Jan 14 2009, 2:02am
        "Cigareets and whiskey and wild, wild women, Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Jan 15 2009, 9:19pm
    Are we talking about Tolkien's take on Gandalf, or our own extrapolations? Kyriel Send a private message to Kyriel Jan 10 2009, 1:02am
    Somehow this reminds me of classic Seinfeld Starling Send a private message to Starling Jan 10 2009, 8:00pm
    Gandalf; Frodo and Sam; and now...Tintin, too! a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jan 10 2009, 8:10pm
    I think it was just a joke! Deni Send a private message to Deni Jan 10 2009, 8:29pm
        sth squire Send a private message to squire Jan 10 2009, 9:04pm
            it's sad to need Urban Dictionary to communicate! a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jan 10 2009, 10:50pm
                not wujal? squire Send a private message to squire Jan 10 2009, 11:22pm
                    uh. Yeah. What you said. LOL. // a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jan 10 2009, 11:27pm
            Maybe I can translate... batik Send a private message to batik Jan 10 2009, 10:53pm
        What does 'sth' mean? Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Jan 10 2009, 9:07pm
            I have just realized that Deni's profile indicates a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jan 10 2009, 11:36pm
                oh XD" Deni Send a private message to Deni Jan 11 2009, 7:27pm
                    Don't worry about it Deni. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jan 11 2009, 8:28pm
                        ROFL! Morthoron Send a private message to Morthoron Jan 11 2009, 9:11pm
                    Your use of English was not an issue for me Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Jan 11 2009, 9:56pm
                    your English is fine, please don't apologize a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jan 11 2009, 10:05pm
                        I've learned English Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Jan 12 2009, 6:23am
                    You are doing great! grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Jan 12 2009, 1:11am
                    Don't worry, Deni Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Jan 12 2009, 6:28am
                        all of you are so kind^^ Deni Send a private message to Deni Jan 12 2009, 4:50pm
                            *slaps head* Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Jan 13 2009, 6:36am
                                yes,youīre right^^ Deni Send a private message to Deni Jan 13 2009, 7:39pm
                                    That's true! dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jan 14 2009, 2:16am
                                        Nicht schrecklich! Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Jan 14 2009, 7:06am
                                            Danke! dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jan 14 2009, 4:43pm
                                                Well Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Jan 15 2009, 7:52am
                                        thanks^^ Deni Send a private message to Deni Jan 14 2009, 3:00pm
                                            Heh - no... dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jan 14 2009, 4:23pm
                                                HAHA I just thought... Deni Send a private message to Deni Jan 14 2009, 8:02pm
                                                    LOL! dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jan 14 2009, 11:33pm
                                                        It's the avatars sometimes... LaerasŽa Send a private message to LaerasŽa Jan 15 2009, 5:19am
                                                            That's quite alright! Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jan 15 2009, 6:12am
                                                                *lol* Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Jan 15 2009, 11:09am
                                                            Exactly! People are always passing comment on my facial features. // Starling Send a private message to Starling Jan 15 2009, 8:46am
                                                                Aww, but you've got a very cute nose! dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jan 15 2009, 11:34am
                                                        LOL!Poor thing^^ Deni Send a private message to Deni Jan 17 2009, 4:32pm
            Well Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jan 14 2009, 10:23pm
    Gaydalf? Morthoron Send a private message to Morthoron Jan 11 2009, 4:26pm
        Gynedalf? / Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jan 13 2009, 8:42pm

 
 
 

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