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Anorien
Rohan


Nov 8 2008, 3:48am

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Has anybody noticed that commercials have skipped the Thanksgiving holiday and went straight to Christmas? I think it's kind of ironic, skip the holiday where you should be thankful and go right to the one where people want more and more stuff. Any thoughts? Why has Christmas become so commercially important that we look over one of the most important holidays?


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Nov 8 2008, 4:50am

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Why has Christmas become so commercially important that we look over one of the most important holidays?



That's why -- Christmas is where the money is. But yes, my ears were scalded by Christmas carols the day after Halloween too. Not that I don't like Christmas carols, but in a store they don't stand for Christmas, they stand for shop, shop, shop, buy, buy, buy.


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AlassŽa Eruvande
Valinor


Nov 8 2008, 4:52am

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the economy is in the toilet so they want to get a head start on sales. A lot of businesses make their profit for the year in the weeks leading up to Christmas.
You don't buy any presents for Thanksgiving, so the retailers have no reason to promote it.

Have you noticed the push for Easter gifts as well in the last couple of years? Not just the usual bunnies and candy for the kiddies. They want adults to give Easter gifts to each other as well.



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SirDennisC
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Nov 8 2008, 5:32am

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Same in Canada. [In reply to] Can't Post

It came and went this past Oct 14th, barely noticed. Christmas commercials started as soon as Halloween was over. Christmas merch was edging out Halloween gear a week before the 31st.

This Monday Canadians mark Remembrance Day (Nov 11). It is a day to honour soldiers of Canada (and all nations really) who served and/or died in WW I, WW II, Korea, Vietnam, Croatia, Afghanistan, et al. There are ceremonies usually and a nation wide moment of silence at 11 a.m., the time and day Armistice was signed after the War to End All Wars.


Kelvarhin
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Nov 8 2008, 5:59am

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We don't have thanksgiving in Australia [In reply to] Can't Post

So the shops have been marketing Christmas since just after Father's Day in September Unimpressed


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stormcrow20
Gondor


Nov 8 2008, 7:21am

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Jack o' Lanterns and Santa Claus side by side.... [In reply to] Can't Post

...on store shelves. They just don't mix. The last few years I've been seeing Christmas items and decorations before Halloween. Ridiculous.

I love classic Christmas songs and carols; they put me in such a happy and joyous mood. But again, in the last few years, we've been bombarded with them on TV, on the radio, in stores, everywhere....for two whole months by the time Christmas gets here. It comes very close to ruining the mood when you're blasted with them so much. Last year my local Wal-Mart had a cleverly placed, semi-hidden boombox in the toy department playing Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree....set on repeat. Every time I was there.

I guess we will just have to hold strong, and shove right past the sickening commercialism, difficult as that may be. Unsure

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FarFromHome
Valinor


Nov 8 2008, 12:02pm

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ordered the Christmas lights to be turned on last week, several weeks early. That's out desperation, because the economic downturn is starting to bite and nobody is shopping. I guess we'll see the retail sector getting more and more desperate to sell us stuff this year, while everything else gets drowned out. So far the early "Christmas" in Dublin just seems to have been met with cynicism. I think a lot of people are now realizing that buying stuff is not what Christmas is really about after all.

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Annael
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Nov 8 2008, 3:15pm

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I complained at one store where they had their Christmas stuff out before Halloween. "There's no money in the other holidays," they said.

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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Nov 8 2008, 3:57pm

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I'm glad that Thanksgiving is not commercial. [In reply to] Can't Post

That's what makes it one of the best holidays.

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weaver
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Nov 8 2008, 6:13pm

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Well. a few of us are working on a TORn Thanksgiving/Founders Day tradition... [In reply to] Can't Post

Occasionally, a "thank the mods/admins" thread spontaneously starts up, like this current one started by noneoftheabove on Feedback:

http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;

Now that this community has reached a "certain age", it seems only right that we make this kind of thing an annual Thanksgiving/Founders Day Tradition. While we aren't sure exactly what form it will take, as far as a date goes, we did a poll it on awhile back, and April date winner, as that's the Founding Month of theonering.net.

http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;

I'm a few months behind in getting things really rolling on this, but if you or anyone else would like to help with the planning and launch of this, we'd love to have you on the team. Please PM me, or respond here, if you'd like me to get involved!

Sorry for hijacking your thread,Smile but I was thinking I should post something on this, and this seemed like a good door opener. So THANK YOU!

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Morthoron
Gondor


Nov 8 2008, 11:35pm

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Ban holidays... [In reply to] Can't Post

Yep, ban them. What we need is not holidays per se, rather, we need generic shopping festivals spread strategically throughout the year. Instead of holidays, our employers can merely offer personal days in lieu of time off for what were once holidays, and then the retail industry can adopt specific weeks every quarter that are designated as 'seasonal sales extravaganzas'. We can have a year-end clearance sale that takes the place of Christmas/Hannukah/Kwanzaa, a spring-cleaning sale, a summer beach blanket bonanza sale, and an autumnal back to school sale for starters, with other smaller sales placed liberally across the calendar.

Why taint retail sales with the sanctimonious stench of a particular religion's holy days? There are no churches in shopping malls anyway. And why waste precious marketing time and advertising dollars trying to coordinate sales in rememberance of long-dead presidents and occasions like the 4th of July when the significance of the event or person no longer applies. I doubt anyone remembers what happened on July 4th, or cares for that matter. Heck, they've already eliminated a separate Lincoln's Birthday and Washington's Birthday for a single 'President's Day', why don't we just throw in Martin Luther King, Columbus, Jesus, war casualties and any number of saints (like St. Valentine) and just have a 'Dead Guys Day', or better yet a 'Dead Guys Week' to assure retailers' advertising dollars are better spent.

Geeze, people, start thinking outside of the box. Stop being so selfish and get rid of outmoded holidays that have lost most or all of their original intent. Think of the retailers for once.

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dernwyn
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Nov 9 2008, 2:24am

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...have I read anything that so eloquently expresses the "true meaning" of these holidays, as defined in our current society!

Reminds me of a cartoon in an old Mad Magazine. Three houses: the ones on the left and right are fully decked out in Santas and reindeer, cartoon characters, bright flashy lights. The one in the middle is unadorned, and through the window we see a simple tree and a dad reading a story to his kids. Outside, the neighbors from either side stand together, looking at that house, and one says, "I guess they're not very religious."

Yes, it makes one realize what people really worship...

BTW I assume everyone knows that George Washington and his troops crossed the Delaware to attack the British on a Christmas Eve, because they knew the British would be enjoying a most festive party, and the Americans of those times thought such celebrations of holy days were abhorrent...


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SirDennisC
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Nov 9 2008, 3:48am

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definitely a political thread.


Anorien
Rohan


Nov 9 2008, 5:30am

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Chocolate bunnies and jelly beans just don't cut it anymore.


Anorien
Rohan


Nov 9 2008, 5:33am

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Yeah, we had Christmas trees up in the Target and Fred Meyers. The lights were starting to come out and the pajama pants with reindeer and penguins with hot chocolate to. I want the turkey first, then the candy canes.


Anorien
Rohan


Nov 9 2008, 5:35am

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September!? [In reply to] Can't Post

Wow, here in the U.S. it isn't that bad. But we still have a nice head start, mid-October this year. *sigh*


Anorien
Rohan


Nov 9 2008, 5:40am

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It's kinda like having Halloween on a Sunday, which is just weird for me.

They probably hid it because they knew playing the same song over and over again would start to tick people off. They would then want to find the boombox and slam it on the floor a couple times. Saves money.

I never thought about it that way. Christmas is so "early" now that by the time we get to the real thing, it's just not the same. It's like we already had it and enjoyed the shopping and consumer part of it more than anything. My dad said he has finally had enough, this year he wanted to rent a cabin in the mountains and escape for Christmas. But my aunt is coming up from Texas so we have to stay here. Yay for blow up Santa's, mechanical reindeer, and tacky tinsel.


Anorien
Rohan


Nov 9 2008, 5:41am

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Never thought about it like that. Sucks though that it took an economic meltdown for people to realize that, if they did at all.


Anorien
Rohan


Nov 9 2008, 5:43am

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There might not be money [In reply to] Can't Post

But kindness and fellowship always is. The stores can't market that, so no materialistic profit is seen. Maybe if they put people first and product second they would see a bigger return.


Anorien
Rohan


Nov 9 2008, 5:45am

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Very true [In reply to] Can't Post

No Holiday deserves to be broken down into commercials and money. But it would be nice if the stores at least put off their Christmas sales until after Thanksgiving. But with this economy, I know that is never going to happen. Oh well, the rest of us can still be happy and eat too much turkey!


Anorien
Rohan


Nov 9 2008, 5:50am

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Cool [In reply to] Can't Post

I guess I could help out, but I would have no idea where to begin. What do you need help on?


Anorien
Rohan


Nov 9 2008, 5:56am

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Very nice! [In reply to] Can't Post

I am especially fond of the "Dead Guys Day/week". If we honor one, we should honor all.

People have totally lost all true intention of holidays. Unfortunately I don't think they'll be going anywhere anytime soon. So it's up to the retailers.

Why does it have to be sooo complicated. I have officialy decided that life isn't complicated, people make it comlicated.


FarFromHome
Valinor


Nov 9 2008, 11:10am

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It goes back a long, long way [In reply to] Can't Post

Religious pilgrims were a fantastic income source for the retailers of the Middle Ages. There are richly decorated churches all over Europe built with the money made from selling goods and services to the pious visitors who came to visit their holy relics - in fact there was a lot of competition and even dirty tricks among religious sites vying for the supremacy of their particular saint's relics! So maybe commerce and religion aren't really such strange new bedfellows after all...

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The shipís beside the stony wall.
Foam is white and waves are grey;
beyond the sunset leads my way.
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Nov 9 2008, 7:39pm

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Oh well, the rest of us can still be happy and eat too much turkey!


my first Thanksgiving as a vegetarian. But I expect there will be *plenty* of other stuff to eat, what with the mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes, beans, cranberry sauce, pumpkin pie, bread, etc. :-)

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dernwyn
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Nov 9 2008, 11:04pm

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when Henry VIII was in need of funds after splitting off the Church of England from the Roman Catholic Church. His Dissolution of the Monasteries, confiscating all their goods and properties, including the wealth of offerings left by pilgrims, proved to be very lucrative.


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