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visualweasel
Rohan


Nov 3 2008, 3:43pm

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If, as Michael Drout once commented, the HoME gobsmacked the Tolkien scholars into 20 years of stunned paralysis, then this book - more so than the (excellent) collection of scattershot essays titled Tolkien's Legendarium - may be declaring the end of that critical moratorium.



Yes, and Doug Kane's Arda Reconstructed (due out next April, I think) is likely to help open that door still further. What's interesting is that the published Silmarillion has been treated as canon since it was published (Christopher Tolkien explicitly annoints it such in the preface to Unfinished Tales). Even after the publication of HoMe, a lot of people have tended to regard HoMe as somehow less canonical than The Silmarillion, when one might argue that the reverse is true.* If I understand the project correctly, Doug attempts to spotlight exactly this point. I haven't read Whittingham's book either, but I look forward to doing so.


* Personally, I would probably say they're essentially equally canonical. I don't think Christopher's editorial decisions were generally sufficient to overturn the canonicity of the original material. At perhaps one or two points only, but not overall.

Jason Fisher
Lingwë - Musings of a Fish


The Lord of the Rings discussion 2007-2008 – The Two Towers – III.4 “Treebeard” – Part 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
“On Fairy-stories” discussion 2008 – “Origins” – Part 1, 2, 3, 4, 5


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Nov 3 2008, 6:03pm

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The TS V review definitely sparked my interest [In reply to] Can't Post

I was very impressed by what I read about The Evolution of Tolkien's Mythology in the review by Dawson in Tolkien Studies V. Whittingham's book definitely shot up towards the top of list of books that I plan to read.

But I did want to point out that Verlyn Flieger in particular has definitely not shied away from scholarly analysis of HoMe. A Question of Time looks quite carefully at Tolkien's aborted time travel works, The Lost Road and The Notion Club Papers as well as other parts of HoMe. And Interrupted Music examines the full scope of the legendarium as presented in HoMe in admirable detail.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Nov 3 2008, 7:10pm

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I agree with this [In reply to] Can't Post


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Even after the publication of HoMe, a lot of people have tended to regard HoMe as somehow less canonical than The Silmarillion, when one might argue that the reverse is true.* ... * Personally, I would probably say they're essentially equally canonical. I don't think Christopher's editorial decisions were generally sufficient to overturn the canonicity of the original material. At perhaps one or two points only, but not overall.



Generally, I agree with this. While I put great store in looking at Tolkien's own final word on elements in the mythology, it simply cannot be ignored that, as several Tolkienists have pointed out (including some guy named Jason Fisher Wink), The Silmarillion will always have a much wider audience than any of the HoMe material. I don't think that fact can be ignored in calculating its relative "canonicity" (is that even a real word?).

P.S. Thanks for the plug. Smile

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'


visualweasel
Rohan


Nov 3 2008, 9:02pm

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Yes, it is. :) [In reply to] Can't Post


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"canonicity" (is that even a real word?)



http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/canonicity Tongue

Jason Fisher
Lingwë - Musings of a Fish


The Lord of the Rings discussion 2007-2008 – The Two Towers – III.4 “Treebeard” – Part 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
“On Fairy-stories” discussion 2008 – “Origins” – Part 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

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