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weaver
Half-elven
Sep 15 2008, 9:59pm
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Who else can't spell Isildur? Isuldir? You know, what's his name...
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Isildur/dir is the one guy who's name I can never spell right or at least can never tell if I did spell it right...
And then there's Tol Eressea...or however that's spelled...
What about you? What Tolkien character/place names give you trouble?
Yes, I'm procrastinating on my work load today...can you tell?
Thanks to any and all who reply...
Weaver
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SirDennisC
Half-elven
Sep 15 2008, 10:33pm
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I just had occaision to spell his name... I just crossed myself and spelled it with two u's. I'm sure it is wrong but too busy just now to double check. Most likely it is Isuldir though.
Edit: d'oh it's Isildur according to IMDb.
(This post was edited by SirDennisC on Sep 15 2008, 10:35pm)
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a.s.
Valinor
Sep 15 2008, 11:12pm
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I spell it wrong consistently. And yet, it looks right to me!!
Ditto Dol Goldur.
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"an seileachan"
Pooh began to feel a little more comfortable, because when you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.
Call Her Emily
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Eruwestial37
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Sep 16 2008, 12:55am
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I pride myself on my spelling so it came as a shock when I realized that I cannot ever get Peredhil right without looking it up!
I used to say that I hated writers who created names no one could pronounce. Now I have to take it back. I LOVE Tolkien, but am not particularly fond of his tongue twisting and mind bending characters' names!
I guess this is just one more reason to keep the books close at hand!
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L. Ron Halfelven
Grey Havens
Sep 16 2008, 1:00am
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I can never keep all the Finguys straight.
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I couldn't for the life of me tell you, off the top of my head, what the relationship of Fingon, Fingolfin, and Finarfin is. I'm pretty proud of myself for being able to tell Finduilas from them.
Cum bak 2 me... cum bak 2 me... & say my land iz teh r0xx0r lol.
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silneldor
Half-elven
Sep 16 2008, 2:50am
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It seems it is always the vowels usually in the middle of the woid that raises havoc for me.
saraman
saroman
saruman
"Tolkien, like Lewis, believed that, through story, the real world would become a more magical place, full of meaning. We see its patterns and colors in a fresh way. The recovery of a true view of the world applies both to individual things, like hills and stones, and to the cosmic - the depths of space and time itself. For in sub-creation, in Tolkien's view, there is a "survey" of space and time. Reality is captured on a miniature scale. Through stories like The Lord of the Rings, a renewed view of things is given, illuminating the homely, the spiritial, the physical, and the moral dimensions of the world."
Tolkien and C.S. Lewis- The Gift of Friendship -Duriez
After Sunset
I have an understanding with the hills
At evening, when slanted radiance fills
Their hollows, and the great winds let them be,
And they are quiet and look down at me.
Oh, then I see the patience in their eyes
Out of the centuries that made them wise.
They lend me hoarded memory, and I learn
Their thoughts of granite and their whims of fern,
And why a dream of forests must endure
Though every tree be slain; and how the pure,
Invisible beauty has a word so brief
A flower can say it, or a shaken leaf,
But few may ever snare it in a song,
Though for the quest a life is not too long.
When the blue hills grow tender, when they pull
The twilight close with gesture beautiful,
And shadows are their garments, and the air
Deepens, and the wild veery is at prayer,
Their arms are strong around me; and I know
That somehow I shall follow where you go
To the still land beyond the evening star,
Where everlasting hills and valleys are,
And silence may not hurt us any more,
And terror shall be past, and grief and war.
Grace Hazard Conkling (conclusion of a song recital from the book Lake Minnewaska by W Doughty where he says ''this is not the end of songs which we are certain will continue to rise from gifted minds and hearts in this enchanted realm where sometimes 'great mists lie' but always where 'great dreams rise' ''.) ...Reminds me particularly of the elves and the ents
May the grace of Manwë let us soar with eagle's wings!
In the air, among the clouds in the sky
Here is where the birds of Manwe fly
Looking at the land, and the water that flows
The true beauty of earth shows
With the stars of Varda lighting my way
In all the realms this is where I stay
In the realm of Manwë Súlimo
By El~Cugu
From the website: 'The Realm of Manwe'
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Laerasëa
Tol Eressea
Sep 16 2008, 2:56am
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I remember them. When I was first going to read the Sil, Menelwyn was kind of giving me an overview of what to expect, and suggested making character charts. When I asked why, she explained the Valar, and then listed all of the Fin Family Members (what I usually call them in my head). No further explanation was needed; I now have excellent name charts in the back of the Sil.
And while we're on the Sil, let me just throw in any name that appears as a second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, or whatever name for a place or item that's commonly called something else. (ie, Mount Everwhite, Taniquetil, Oiolosse, Amon Uilos, Elerrina..I'm sure the list goes on much longer...why does there have to be so many names?!?)
Ummm....I'm trying to think of other names. I'm sure there are others, but what mostly throws me off is when there are fifty names for one teeny tiny little thing. (Like that mound outside of Valmar...what was it called...The Green Mound? Corrollaire, or something like that. It's just a little mound, not even a hill! It doesn't need a name, let alone five!)
Interesting thread, weaver! (heh..I know I'm going to have fun reading the replies!)
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Laerasëa
Tol Eressea
Sep 16 2008, 2:57am
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pronounced by Howard Shore? Sarah-man. He sounds like he's from the deep south. (I'm always mildly amused)
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"Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever."
- Napoleon Bonaparte
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted."
- Albert Einstein
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is."
- Yogi Berra
"The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad."
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Aerin
Grey Havens
Sep 16 2008, 3:27am
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Just envision Hugo Weaving as Elrond at the Crack of Doom shouting, "IH-SEEEL-DOOOR!"
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ElanorTX
Tol Eressea
Sep 16 2008, 4:17am
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me neither, in any part of my head //
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"I shall not wholly fail if anything can still grow fair in days to come."
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Peredhil lover
Valinor
Sep 16 2008, 5:41am
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They drove me nuts, really. And then throw the rest of the family, the different names and the difference between Silmarillion family trees and the later version in HoME into the mix, plus different spelling in some cases in the German edition *groans*
Finally I spent many hours drawing up my own family tree, and just now I'm trying to sort out all these Quenya and Sindarin versions of the same name to put them into it, too. Maybe *then* I'm finally able to keep that straight 
I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.
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Ainu Laire
Tol Eressea
Sep 16 2008, 7:47am
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I can get character names down. Place names, however, I have to check and double check.
I'm not even going to try and recall how many times I spelled "Pelennor" as "Pellenor". Dol Guldur was Dol Goldur or Dol Guldor for a long while, too, until I started learning some Sindarin (Dol GULDUR is like Minas MorGUL and Barad-DUR).
Oh! And I spelt the word "Sindarin" as "Sindarian" for about 2 years. I pronounced it as such, too. Don't even know where that came from.
If anything, I am always checking the spelling and where accent marks go because I write so much fan fiction. The writing has helped me with spellings quite a bit.
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NARF since age 8, when I refused to read the Hobbit because the cover looked boring and icky.
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Peredhil lover
Valinor
Sep 16 2008, 9:46am
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was not so much how to spell names, but to remember who's who and what's what. The one name I had a lot of problems with was Caras Galadhon. I was always trying desperately to remember if it was Caras Galadhon or Calas Garadhon or Galas Caradhon or Garas Caladhon or whatever . Terrible word.
I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.
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Idril Celebrindal
Tol Eressea
Sep 16 2008, 1:46pm
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There are a couple of different Finduilases, too
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The Silmarillion is just Fin-a-palooza!
We're discussing the BBC Lord of the Rings Radio Play on the Movie Discussion - LOTR board.
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The pity of Bilbo will screw up the fate of many.
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Rosie-with-the-ribbons
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Sep 16 2008, 2:02pm
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Only that word.
And when reading it, I totally got lost in the names.
At one time I decided I won't concentrate on the names and just read the stories. And I still have to read it again for the names, but that will come.
I'm already happy with the movies. Some names I totally mis-pronounced. But now I use the english pronunciation in stead of the Dutch, but since the book is originally in English it doesn't matter.
By the way, Hermoine from Harry Potter, always get lost in that name, that is also because in my own language it is spelled completely different.
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Alassëa Eruvande
Valinor
Sep 17 2008, 2:29pm
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"Sim-a-LAR-ion" in my head.
I don't even try to say it right. My mouth just refuses to cooperate on that one.
And suddenly the Ainur saw afar off a light, as it were a cloud with a living heart of flame.
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grammaboodawg
Immortal
Sep 19 2008, 12:59am
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Seriously... I have the hardest time with Saruman. I keep typing it as Saurman. *sigh* So I call him Bob, too. ;)
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I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.
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